What is the difference between democracy and majorityism ? If 3 out of 5 people agree on a wrong thing then a wrong thing should be done ? I never fully understood the difference. Any opinions ?
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by PP on Dec 30, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Good question. If you ask me both (democracy and majority-ism) are synonymous. As they say - be a Roman in Rome. Look what is happening in Gujarat. Right or wrong, Gujarat gave a verdict and we should be happy about it and accept it. The problem arises when people start thinking/talking about all the good that would have happened otherwise. :-)) I hope you get what I mean. I am still confused. Pls add more to this to clear my doubts. lol.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by Rash on Dec 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Well PP A true democracy is synonymous only with real freedom and its human rights records abuses is no worse than its neighbours. On the contrary, in a system where a state minister can openly justify murder and still allowed to cling to his office is a sham democracy.
RE:RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by PP on Dec 30, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
Hi Rash, I still believe what happened in Gujarat(riots i mean) was an aberration. It should not have happened. But what happened after that(last 5 yrs) has been great and there in lies the strength/power of democracy.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by sachin jain on Dec 30, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
Difference is that in democracy it is never as simple as 5 v/s 3. More likely it will be 500000 v/s 300000. Not to forget that 800000 minds will also discuss and debate before they decide. Also one must not attempt to discredit democracy by putting right v/s wrong. Aim of democracy is to choose the best from many good alternatives (wrong ones i.e. if there are any get eliminated in the begining itself.) Yes, democracy is not perfect, but then we don't know yet a better form.
If root cause of your pessimism is election results of Gujrat and Himachal then don't forget that one can't fool all the people all the time. Winners have to perform. Performers win and those who do not loose.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by RRRChola on Dec 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Democracy is the final outcome of individual shortcomings - dishonesty, injustice, corruption. Democracy is a blanket provided by the unjust, corrupt and materially strong individuals to cover their own faults along with the faults of their weaker cousins at the expense of the righteous individual.
If each man was righteous, had inner strength of beliefs to withstand the onslaught of evil, democracy is not needed, since such a society will always be ruled by a just ruler.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by Rash on Dec 30, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
If each political leader becomes righteous then how come they rule in india where different communities reside. They always scratch their backs to turn around the democratic rules by dividing communities.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by Rash on Dec 30, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
BJP ha good joke In a system where a state minister can openly justify murder and still allowed to cling to his office is a sham democracy.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by Bhardwaj Velamakanni on Dec 31, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
If the majority feels that the murder is justified then thats it - it becomes a law! The terms RIGHT and WRONG are relative and they will be determined by the Majority in Democracy and by the Ruler in Autocracy!
RE:RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by RRRChola on Dec 30, 2007 07:21 PM Permalink
A righteous ruler is always just irrespective of community, humanity comes first, rest of the things follow.
RE:RE:RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by viswanatha seshadri on Dec 30, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
Yes. 'Communities' must be: 'unifiers based on commonalities'. Those which stand for separateness in society, not agreeing to common laws for human good, should not be considered 'communities', should be dismissed as 'disunities'. 'jihaadi' moslems in India come under this category. They should either unite under a common law to work for total welfare of the nation, or remain guest citizens without franchise; otherwise, they should leave for countries of their real preference.
RE:democracy Vs majorityism
by viswanatha seshadri on Dec 30, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Right. Countries, cultures dominated by wrong-deciding majorities, will soon decay and die, only countries, states whose majorities stand for humanism and justice with welfare for all will survive over the centuries.
'Survival of the fittest' is the rule for cultures and countries also. 'dharmo rakshati rakshitah': the true 'right' is that which protects the practitioner, proof of pudding in the eating.
MahaagaNapati mantra ends: 'sarvajanam me vaSam aanaya swaahaa', meaning 'make the surviving hunanity move progressivly merging into ever-greater 'goodness' [vasam = vareNye Samanam]; it is the basic commitment to truth, harmony, non-violence, welfare for all[satyam, ritam, ahimsaa, sarvatra subhikshaa, sarva-jana-sowkhya], which has enabled the indic non-conquesting non-converting civilization survive over many millennia despite conq/conv waves from outside. It will continue to survive.
In my opinion Benazir Bhutto's death is a terrorist act and definitely not accidental as claimed by Mussharaf and co. I think the Pak govt. is shamelessly trying to defend itself by undermining the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. She was the only hope of democracy in Pakistan despite her failure as PM before. In Benazir's death, Pakistan has definitely lost their road to democracy and development and has reached a dead end. There is no denying that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by fellows who do not want democracy/development in Pakistan. It is high time Pakistan realizes this truth and start all over again. The road to recovery is tough but not impossible. Pakistanis are fighters by nature. They should get/take inspiration from the Pakistan cricket team who bounced back from defeat to draw the last two test matches against India. Every Pakistani has to take the responsibility and should contribute in the 'road to recovery of Pakistan' - the slogan for another 10-15 years.
RE:unnecessary controversy
by Janardhan on Dec 30, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
Unfortunately, certain section of media & journalists in India believe that Musharaff is still committed to improve Indo-Pak relations thru' dialogues......what a pity!!!!
RE:RE:unnecessary controversy
by Sami on Dec 30, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
Janardhan, Not only India. The world's police, Super power of the world America Also says that Mush is their first alley. do you know that the incident happened the next day US government sanctioned 550 bn$ for war. May the incident was waiting for the sanction
RE:unnecessary controversy
by PP on Dec 30, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Hi Janardhan. I know your disappointment. But, US has no choice but Mush I guess. Now that Mush is becomming unpopular, they baked on Benazir Bhutto. Now that she is no more, they are back to Mush. Mush is having a ball as far as US is concerned - forget the problem/unpopularity at home :-)) If you ask me, India also has no choice but Mush - however cunning he is - now that Bhutto also is no more. Anyways, I hope India remains safe/uneffected.
RE:unnecessary controversy
by sameer javed on Dec 30, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
My dear friends don't waste your time in debating on this controversy. This will not help India grow @ 8% every year.
RE:unnecessary controversy
by Sanjeev on Dec 30, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
No doubt Butto was a daynamic leader but the fact is jo jesa boyega bho besa hi katega..Terrorist peda bhi to pakistan ne hi kiye hai......
RE:RE:unnecessary controversy
by sameer javed on Dec 30, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
I fully agree with Atheist as there are lot of hindu and muslim terroists in India as well.
RE:RE:unnecessary controversy
by Sami on Dec 30, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Mr. Sanjeev you are right. wait and see. What you told is international truth, jo jesa boyega bho besa hi katega
RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by Ek Hazara on Dec 30, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
You are a Pakistani, hell bent on creating division among Indians.. Get lost!
RE:RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by sameer javed on Dec 30, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
Mr Hazara, I am a first Grade Indian citizen and my heart and soul is dedicated for my motherland.
RE:RE:RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by sameer javed on Dec 30, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Mr Adam Romanov, Where did you disappear. Lets have a brain storming debate.
RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by ramji on Dec 30, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
3000 crores for haj subsidy,hindu tax payers money to fund thier trip to haj
RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by Rash on Dec 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Hindus also get subsidies to go their holy places so dont try to discriminate...
RE:RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by partha sarathy on Dec 30, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Mr.Rash, Don't be rash and hasty in writing.Hindus holy places are in Hindhusthan only.Where is the subsidy?Can you get subsidy for hindus to go to lord venkateswar temple in Pittisburg?
RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by Sami on Dec 30, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
Ramji, Indian Supreme court passed a verdict that hinduism is not religion. It is a way of life.
So according to the time and situation you will change your way. just review the culture before 50 years and now. you can see a lot of new things have been added to hinduism.
But the Government is bias and a lot of descrimination. they give subsidy for amrnath pilgrimage, But they dont give any help to Lord Ayyappa Swamy pilgrimage. Why?
RE:RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by partha sarathy on Dec 30, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Sami, Thanks for accepting that Hinduism is a way of life.Pl also accept that christianity and Islam are only cults and not religion.
RE:RE:RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by ramji on Dec 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
those who didnot get shit sacred and get converted to islam during mogal rule unlike u
RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by srikanth kudithipudi on Dec 30, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Fully agreed..Apart from Hindus and Christians,Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis et.,need to be united
RE:COMMUNAL BUDGETING .... INDIANS UNITE !!
by Rash on Dec 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Abey stupid Zakat system is applicable in islamic countries like saudi dubai etc. But in india tax to govt and they are paying also then why are you shouting like a dog..
RE:Benzair - last journey
by buddys buddy on Dec 30, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
I understand your feelings. But you know even her family will be looking for the truth to be exposed. Cos you know there is a lot of controversies on her death.
RE:Communal Budegeting ... Indians unite
by lancer on Dec 30, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
96% of indian muslims do not pay incom tax, they come with begging bowl to each n every bank.
RE:RE:Communal Budegeting ... Indians unite
by Sami on Dec 30, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
Rama and krishna have taken loans from bank and disappeared. Banks are searching them now.
RE:RE:RE:Communal Budegeting ... Indians unite
by ramji on Dec 30, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
How did U know that may be u must have done it and changed ur name
