Modi has done what congress or other parties have failed to in the past 50 years... Congress's appeasement policies created lots of reservations and other benefits to weaker/minority class Indians, but ONLY ON THE PAPER, nothing got materialized. Out of whatever the congress has boasted only 1-2% reached the beneficiaries. In such a scenario Indians especially the youth wanted some leader who shows in action what he speaks about development. Until congress opens its eyes to this new youth, whatever it says or the support it can expect from the media is not going to save them from now on... This is just the begining of an assertive India.
Educated and elite Indian Hindus have started to engage in a rationalization exercise to excuse Modi actions saying that what he did was indeed right, as clearly seen by his electoral wins. Democracy does not mean majority prevails all the time. It means it prevails as long as you stick to legal methods as provisioned by Indian Constitution and legal code. When you subvert them, even your electoral wins have to be trashed to uphold the law of the land. Indian Hindus have gone blind in their hatred for Muslims. So much so that, they are not only ready to excuse Modi of his crimes, they are ready to hail him as their leader. And thats when I start fearing the trends and ask myself- How long before we become completely fascist?
RE:India going fascist
by Vijayalakshmi on Jan 03, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Christists,Islamists and Commise are masquerading as 'secularists', and spreading lies about Narendra Modi. If you are a true Hindu,you will be naturally secular. But that does not mean tolerating the high-handedness of the desert religions.Actually,we Hindus dont have any problem with other religionists, because we do not try to establish our supremacy over them. But they are the ones who have a problem with us, because they want to establish that theirs is the only true God and the only true religion.Unless Hindus realize this truth,they will only keep deceiving themselves and this will compound their problems.Modi is not any fascist, he is a genuine leader, and not a pseudo-secularist, like the non-BJP fellows.
RE:India going fascist
by Shyam Sen on Jan 02, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
Mr Tathagat Mukherjee,
If you are from Bengal, me too. I advise you to convert to either Islam or Christianity as it seems you are ashamed of your Hindu identity !! For your information, I belonged from Siliguri and one of the earliest Naxalites. That does not prevent me from expressisng my pride being a Hindu as this religion is not founded by anyone and was ably described by our own Supreme Court that Hindutwa is nothing but a way of life which is therefore the best one in comparison to either Islam or Christianity.
RE:India going fascist
by neo liberal on Jan 02, 2008 12:23 PM Permalink
this mukherjee is a communist fascist who has a herd mentality. he thinks very much like an illiterate primitive who can be very easily influenced by popular opinions. in a scholarly discussion it can be shown that this spineless mukherjee is nothing but a paper tiger.
RE:India going fascist
by kartik shashikant shingala on Jan 02, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
Extremists won't need to kill you lik Benzir Bhutto I can feel fire in you please burn your self out Ha ha ha ha...
RE:India going fascist
by nalini singh on Jan 02, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Mr. Mukherjee for your information democracy also does not mean calling others communal, while practising the same in your back yard, have you seen the movie Mask, whenever i see that movie, i am reminded of the congress and its allies and peoople like you, You have a face to show and another at home. YOu talking of BJP / Shivsena as communal, and you talking of blind hatred of hindus towards muslims, which country are you from Idi Amin's Uganda, Please open your eyes and see which community has hatred towards which community. I wish your statements were true, then we would have a hindu nation, and not a nation ruled by a SIkh, and a christian dictating him, and you say that hindus have a blind hatred, i think you are blind, and not only blind, i think you are an idiot, i wish your parents had seen TAre Zameen Par, then you would have been educated.
Shahrukh khan is the idol of many, aamir khan's fan following is to be believed, Salman Khan is the apple of the eye of many indians, azharuddin, zaheer khan, so many of them, are they are product of blind hatred. You need your head tested.
RE:India going fascist
by Venugopal Minnal on Jan 02, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
I think you have missed Mr Raman's main point. Like millions of Hindus, he is not against Muslims. Nor he nas written anything against them. His analysis pertains to the psudo-secularists who deny everything to Hindus.
RE:India going fascist
by kiran on Jan 02, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
Mr Tataghata, You are the classic example of a pseudo "Sick"ularist. Where are the likes of you when the MIM wins the Hyderabad MP seat simply on the basis that they represent mulsims?? So, if an MIM or a muslim league wins an election on religious plank its ok with you, but when a Hindu does it, it is facism?? Look at Bengal, the CPM govt there is allowing the Bangladeshis to freely migrate to India in the hope that they will vote for them. Why are you not bothered about the decay of India?? I am in no way supporting the Gujarat riots. But I will state only two points. Firstly, it was an act of revenge that allowed the people of the state to vent their pent up frustrations of 50 years. And if the entire Hindu community is "turning blind in hate towards muslim community" India would not be having a sikh prime minister in a party headed by a christian under a muslim president (some time back). Get some perspective in life dude.
RE:India going fascist
by Sriram Shanker on Jan 03, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
I cant agree more with Kiran. The point being made by the writer Mr.Raman is just this - why is something less secular if adopted by a hindu, but is viewed as normal, almost natural at that if adopted by a "minority"? Speak to a few people who've been through the partition and they will tell you that their people have enjoyed much more freedom here in India (in HINDUSTAN) than even back in Pakistan.
RE:RE:India going fascist
by Vijayalakshmi on Jan 03, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
With 85% Hindus,our country was declared as a 'secular' state.We Hindus did not crib,even though it was unfair to us.But laws were framed giving special privileges to the so-called 'minorities'.There is no definition for 'minorities' in our Constitution.Congress conspired to play 'minority communal politics' from that time itself.That party has made a mockery of secularism and democracy.Let us save our country from congies and commies!They are responsible for the sorry plight of us Hindus on our own land.
RE:India going fascist
by Ismail Sayyed on Jan 02, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
Psudo secular that is a very nice term dont know who coined it u seem to say muslism are the most privilged lot in India while infact they are the most backward u keep spreading falsehood like ur god modi
RE:RE:India going fascist
by Venugopal Minnal on Jan 02, 2008 12:44 PM Permalink
I am extremely happy for two of your comments. No doubt Muslims are the most privilaged lot in India-ask any non-Indian muslim (I found this from my talks in several countries -UK, USA, Malaysia, Indonesia, and believe me,Pakistan). Second, I fully agree with you that most of the Indian muslim are backward. But backwardness is not the same thing as privilages. My request here is do some soul searching - why they are backward despite the privilages. Some very interesting truth will emerge. Incidentally, I am an aethist and do not believe in God - including Mr. Modi.
RE:India going fascist
by parveen on Jan 02, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
praying five times a day and fasting is our principles or duty of islam. Did we ever comment on u going and worshipping ur lord. why do u think muslim havent contributed anything
" Abdul kalaam is a muslim" just see we dont kiss the ground . we just prostrate to Our Almighty God who is the creator of heavens and Earth.
Have u ever questioned America who has killed so many people in Iraq for giving a false reason. No one is to question America who is occupying and attaking all ""muslim oil rich countries"" .The media is in America's hand. they can portray any news by their side. they can portray the false as truth . likewise they are portraying muslims as terorist while america is the biggest terrorist............
RE:India going fascist
by JGN on Jan 03, 2008 10:45 AM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abdul kalaam is a muslim.........what is so great about it? He was a government servant, paid by the money of Indian tax payers........he was only doing his duty........why so muchga ga over the same???????
RE:India going fascist
by Perv Sharma on Jan 02, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
Muslims are the most backward in India - there are just 2 reasons - one they have to start using education other than Mullas
Second - at partition most of the rich and middle Class muslims migrated to PORKISTAN whereas only the poor were left behind - and how many of poor Hindus have really made it to even Middle class - harldy any - so don't blame Hindus for these Poor Muslims who didn't migrate -
RE:India going fascist
by amit saxena on Jan 02, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
Sikhs and sindhis came from pakistan and they are the most prosperous communities now.Their hardwork has made them successful
What%u2019s gone wrong in Gujarat is very simple. (I am not sure why many Indian Hindus are not able to see this.)
A state or an individual in an official capacity cannot abet, support or participate in targeted killings of certain people based on their identity, no matter what. Such actions cannot be condoned, tolerated or excused, no matter what.
When an Islamic militant blows up a train, he is considered a criminal. When is caught, he is put in jail. He is not allowed to walk scot-free. He is not hailed as a hero and voted to power.
So, when a Hindu political leader does something illegal, he should be arrested, prosecuted and put in jail. He should not be allowed to walk scot-free, and definitely he should not be allowed to hold power.
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by alok pradhan on Jan 03, 2008 01:33 PM Permalink
When an Islamic millitant attacks Parliament and gets caught, every so called human right activists, congress MPs, communists give mercy petitions to our President. Then why not HINDUs have their right to defend themself ? For your kind information, more riots happened during Congress regime.
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by Sriram Shanker on Jan 03, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
Yes Mr.Mukherjee, ur point about abetting is valid. So why then can you not say the same about the acts of arson and defiance of the law demonstrated on every anniversary of the babri masjid demolition? Why have they been allowed to walk free? Here's another example of the hypocrisy practised by so called secular people - Can you explain why there should've been riots in Bangalore on the hanging of Saddam Hussein? Reports of that incident are available and as someone who was in the midst of a crowd running from a bunch of torch-bearing arsonists let me tell you there was nothing secular or democratic about that. Who has been punished for those uncouth activities? Why was the situation allowed by the government in charge then? And if that has to be tolerated and forgotten, why is 2002 different?
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by Prashant Khade on Jan 02, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
I really feel very sorry for the people like you. There are so many Islamic countries in the world but nowhere Haj trip is sponsored from the public money. Only Gandhis and her party can do that.
If people like you will still keep the same attitude then really life is going to be difficult. Please wake up.. Noone here sponsor us to visit our holy place like Vaishno Devi.
I am not against Muslims but truely they are responsible for their own destiny today. Not taking education, minimum 5-6 children, no value for the women and blindly following Mullas like a sheep.
Its not only Modi has won the election but whole True Hindus feels proud about it and as long Congress/ Soniya Gandhi and her children will be in politicis, Many Modis will keep winning. Being Hindu and feeling proud about it, is not at all wrong feeling and that doesnt mean all Hindus are against all Muslim people or religion. But tell me why the hell I should wake up everyday in the morning with the Ajan on loudspeaker nearby to my house which day by day voulme increased. Why I should not feel bad about it?? I work in the gulf and dont bother if they shout/ pray here any number of times or shout at any extent but I feel very upset when I see I cant walk on the staircase of Bandra or Andheri railway station in Mumbai. And our congress government acting like Hijras. This Mukherjee, I can understand must be like a white colour person working in the office 8-4 in government and coming back home reading ne
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by ByTheWay on Jan 02, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
If you really think Hindus are fascist and they have hatred towards others, then be it. If its that way, no one can do anything. Try to adjust yourself and live with it. And one more thing - just shut up [for your own good]
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by Vijayalakshmi on Jan 03, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
Targeted killings are only in the minds/imagination of the anti-Hindu 'secularists'.People who are believing such cooked-up lies by vested interests are sick people/foolish/idiotic whom no God can save.We have been hearing and have believed such canards about nationalists like RSS for so many years.Only in recent years,Hindus have been rudely shaken from their deep slumber by the anti-Hindu,anti-nationals,who are scheming against the Hindus.Let the rest of the sleeping Hindus wake up.What can we do about the morons who cannot understand?They will continue to be used as pawns by the anti-Hindus.
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by kartik shashikant shingala on Jan 02, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Extremists won't need to kill you lik Benzir Bhutto I can feel fire in you please burn your self out Ha ha ha ha...
RE:What is wrong about Gujarat?
by Deepak Deshpande on Jan 02, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
Mr. Tathagata, What do you think about Jagdish Tytler, HKL Bhagat etc. who had then openly let people murder Sikhs in Delhi? They are the real criminals. Narendra Modi is a perfect politician and know what to do and when.
Yes, Modi allowed the carnage that followed Godhra train incident where Muslims were selectively chosen, rounded up and killed, while the administration and its machinery, stood by, abetted and participated in that carnage. What did Congress do after Indira Gandhi%u2019s assassination? Its leaders went to the street in New Delhi, rounded up Sikhs and burnt them alive, where thousands lost their life, just because they belonged to an identity. And Rajiv Gandhi purportedly reacted, rather coldly, %u201CWhen a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little...%u201D After those killings, a commission and its report which looked into those calculated-and-methodical killings was rubbished and completely ignored by the Congress. A book that detailed those riots was banned forever. Even recently Congress has not acted on Sri Krishna Commission Report which looked into riots that followed Babri Masjid episode where thousands of Muslims were killed. Indian Left has no stance of its own on such issues, and when it gets a chance to make a stand, it does a Nandigram, riddled with hypocrisies only an Indian politician can conjure up. When the nation cannot bring honest leaders to the front, the criminals, thieves and goons who confess their crimes openly in front of millions are lauded and hailed as strong and honest over the weak and corrupt leaders who are blatantly dishonest.
RE:The opposition lacks moral authority!!
by bk agrawal on Jan 03, 2008 07:22 AM Permalink
Indira Gandhi was one person while in Godhra whole train was burnt mercilessly. It was just congress party who did this while in Gujarat even a common hindu had hatred for muslims during that time. Where was the media and all reporters when people of Gujarat (mostly hindus) were suffering after babri masjid demolition. I am not completely against muslims, but Modi has risen only from the pro-muslim politics in India
RE:The opposition lacks moral authority!!
by Vijayalakshmi on Jan 03, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
You have fixed ideas,so nobody can save you!You are inside a pseudo-secular cocoon!Hope God will enlighten you and your ilk!
RE:The opposition lacks moral authority!!
by kartik shashikant shingala on Jan 02, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
Extremists won't need to kill you lik Benzir Bhutto I can feel fire in you please burn your self out Ha ha ha ha...
In a nation which only puts up dishonest and corrupt leaders who are blatantly hypocrite, a murderer and a criminal who is honest comes out as a winner. Congress or Left of India holds no moral authority over BJP. Their accusations sound hollow bereft of honesty. These parties don%u2019t know what it takes to set an example to gain a moral high ground. Indian people clearly see through their charade of taking a high moral ground without having done anything in that direction. When these parties accuse Narendra Modi or his goons as %u2018merchants of death%u2019, they do not back it up with evidences nor do they follow it up with action. India has missed the opportunity to use one of the best revealing stories in Indian journalism. History will not condone us for this.
Today, Narendra Modi and his BJP party have won the elections in Gujarat, once again. Evidently, I am sad. It is not a good sign for India. This election has only confirmed some of my worst beliefs, that India is reeling itself towards creating a fascist society.
RE:Sad Day For India!!
by Prashant Khade on Jan 02, 2008 04:01 PM Permalink
Why are you feeling sad about winning of Modi?? This is the first time Hindus with different languages feel proud but that doesnt mean we are against Muslims.
In you opinion, who should have won, Muslim League in Gujrat election? I am sure you must be non hindu with purposely taken up Mukherjee ID to make everyone upset. Or must have married to some Veer Zara!!!!!
Surely BJP and Modi will be getting the power in India.
RE:Sad Day For India!!
by pankaj chavda on Jan 02, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
Dear Tataghata, Go Gujarat first, then you will come to kinow that modi is not voted for comunalisam or as a Hindu leader, but only and only for development. Enlish media is not seen that Development? Every one can see Road, Electricity and water (Bijali Sadak Pani) where the improvement in last five years. Corruption is the thing, I will sure may be Indian media will not try to see because many of them are corrupt and system is also corrupt. Education : Go there and see what he had done in education, if one chiled is absent for some days without informing to school surely teacher will come to home and ask the questions about that. In many villages in Saurashtra region after coming teacher at home i will sure each and every case fatched minimum 100 Votes for MODI.
I fill you don't know this things, so kindly don't blam Modi he is surely the best Chief Minister in INDIA nowadays and so only he wins the Election.
RE:Sad Day For India!!
by kartik shashikant shingala on Jan 02, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
Well Tataghata Mukherjee I see your posts against Hindus here in rediff quite a lot.
I am sure you are not a hindu and nor an Indian.
Stop commenting on India its not your right to do so.
You are on way of Benzir Bhutto who was killed by terrorists she supported to terroris india. Now its you next so please run for your life. ;-) ENJOY YOUR TERRORISM.....
RE:RE:Sad Day For India!!
by hajafarook M on Jan 02, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
mr karthick do u know the meaning of hindu ? first u read about that and if u r true hindu means can u achive the leader of RSS? NOOooo. there is no chance. because u say RSS is a hindu movement. then, y dont bring a dalit(He is also Hindu) as a leader of RSS ? that is the post of leader in RSS ONLY should be Brhamins not only a ordinary bramins .they should be a first category of bramins , y the other bramins also a hindu and dalit also a hindu then u r a hindu can u come to that post..pls think yourself then u give ur comments
RE:RE:RE:Sad Day For India!!
by sripada s on Jan 02, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
My dear friend, Modi is not a Brahmin. He is an OBC. He is against the double standards maintained by the politicians to grab votes since time immemorial. He succeeded in catching the people's imagination becoz he has been straight forward.
RE:Sad Day For India!!
by viral raval on Jan 03, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
Hey hajafarook, Modi is not brahmin at all..!!!!! You just talk rubbish..ha..ha..Please around you buddy...
RE:RE:RE:Sad Day For India!!
by Shankar Eppoor on Jan 05, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
Mr. Muslim, If your dont know about RSS shut your stinking mouth. RSS is an organisation, whcih fights for casteless Hindu Society. They have done yeo man services during the recent Tsunami that struck Tamilnadu, whcih was promptly hidden by the secular media. Even in Calicut, some time back RSS had helped many Muslim families.
As the years go by and common man gets more educated and AWARE he or she will realize India is the land of HINDUISM where arepeople of other religion are welcome to live and prosper as long as they agree to live free UNDER THE HINDUISM umbrella and not attempt to take the umbrella down . If they cannot then they should get out or convert back to Hinduism or to a religion not hostile to Hinduism like Buddhism .
Though I do not completely agree with Mr. Raman on the reason for success of Modi, I think he is close enough to the truth.
Modi was the first person with power (since indian independence) who put his outrage into action (how ever criminal it may be) in a country where inaction is the biggest religion.
The unbelievably inhuman and barbaric killing of train full of people by burning them because they represent a hindu organization is a moment in history that no indian (and particularly hindu) will ever forget. This incident has the same scarring of conscience that Jalian Wala Bagh had before independence.
I am not defending Modi for his complicity in killing hundreds of innocent Muslims following the Godhra carnage. His actions are inexcusible and he needs to be brought to justice.
But what really baffles me (and I am sure a number of other indians like me) is that while an incident like Gujrat muslim killings is brought up for discussion again and again by institutions worldwide and also amazingly becomes basis of policy decisions in other countries, the thousands of hindu (more than 40000) lives lost in Kashmir is treated like a boring statistic.
In a world where killing of hundreds of Hindus and incidents such as the Akshardham Temple killings get lost in footnotes of a history book, Modi is the one and only symbol of protection for a timid hindu. Modi is riding on this symbolism and will continue to do so until hindus are fed up of him or find a better deal.
RE:Reason for Modi's success
by hajafarook M on Jan 02, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
hello mr , first u read true history .the fascist has done not only in gujarat,they has done many more places in india like meerat,delhi,bahalpur,kovai,nagpur..... so if u r a true indian means first u should oppose the fascist beacause the fundamental of fascist is againest to indian law..so pls read true history about fascist then u say ur comments as a true indian
RE:Reason for Modi's success
by Shankar Eppoor on Jan 05, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Mr. Muslim, It is your religion is synonymous with terrorism, idiosyncrazy, fascism etc. Given a chance, all the muslims like you should be buried deep in Siberia.
A leading Tamil member of the Sri Lankan parliament, T Maheswaran, has been shot dead at a "Hindu temple" in the capital, Colombo, officials said.
He was critical of the government's policy towards the Tamil minority.
Sri Lanka has been ravaged by conflict between the Sinhala Buddhist majority and the Hindu Tamils.
Mr Maheswaran, 41, died while undergoing intensive medical treatment around 1035 local time (0505 GMT), hospital sources said.
"The government had reduced his security after he was being critical of the government and the president, so the government should be held responsible for his killing," UNP general Secretary Tissa Attanayake told Reuters news agency.
