Please understand that we are all Indians not necessarily Hindus.
If Mr.Modi's victory is the pride for Hindus of the world. What happened to the Hindus in Sri Lanka????
What Modis and Advanis are doing to protect the Hindus in Sri Lanka??????
Any religion in a matter is a personal belief. It is between Him and His God. Not for politics.
Never ever confuse and mix religion and politics.
Wrongs in Catholic organisations should be revealed to the public and culprits should be punished.
Babri Masjid demolishers also should be punished.
Fake encounters should be stopped at any cost.
No organisation or individual have the right to destroy other's properties, whether it is a Temple, Mosque, Church or Gurdwara etc.
Be sensible Indians to decided which is right or wrong. Wrong is a wrong and right is a right. Whomesoever doing wrong should be punished, whether it is Narendrabhai Modi, or Sonia.
Let us be a human being. Not religious terrorists.
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Yatin Tamhane on Dec 26, 2007 08:55 PM Permalink
Now that Modi has won the elections, everyone will start saying that we are Indians first etc. Had he lost the elections, the same people would have abused Hindus in the name of secularism... Not surprised to see this comment
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Patiraj Yadav on Dec 26, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
So long as Hindus are considered as second grade citizens in their own country, no hindu person in any other part of the world can expect safe & better environment. Modi has gifted hindus a sense of pride in their identity. Pseudo-secularists have always tried to make hindus feel ashamed of their religion. Indian Hindus are in need of more protection than others.
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
What about the sermons during the Sunday Mass? Every ex-Gujarati proselytiser sermonised and ordered every Paulian to vote for CONgress. The world would be a better place only if all old criminal genocidal cases even if it is 2000 years are re-opened and the perperators or their progeny punished for the Inquistions or plunder/loot/rape of the rival cult. We don't need to punish them with death but to forcibly excommunicate their cult from this planet
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by J Livingston on Dec 26, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
Which church you heared that a christian preacher sermonized that to vote for Congress.? Please let me know that I am ready go with you to say to the preacher that it is wrong. You are the worst enemy of this democratic country India. Past wrongs needs to be corrected now. Need not to repeat the past wrongs by the present generations.
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by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
On Ashram Road, Karnavati I heard them do so. I went in to confirm what my friends told me. Don't feign ignorance, in Kerala it is the regular practice for the cassocked fraudsters to sermonize on whom to vote they have their frontal organizations like Kerala Congress of various hues. But my surprise is how these congenital fraudsters fell for the DMK trick. Have you ever found any Paulian in any ministerial or responsible position in the DMK?
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Srinivasan Prathivathi on Dec 26, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
I fully agree with the sentiments expressed by you.We are Indians first and the religious Brand next.Let us not use the word comunal or secular.The words communal and secular are used loosely suiting the requirement and personal agendas.Let Religion be kept personal and it should not play a part in political maneauvouring.Let us not convert people into any faiths as all Religions are great.Let us not seek reservations on the basis of Religion.Let us build a Resurgent India without any religious identity and march forward only as an Indian. Our country is the youngest country in the world as about 50% of our population is young when compared to other countries. This is the legacy we have to leave behind for our young generation.
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by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
You must be kidding yourself Hinduism, Sikhism and Jainism are the only religions on earth the rest are cults with hired prayer makers, charlatans alll employed to glorify an intensely jealous God who did not know that the earth and other things he was supposed to have created as spherical or the earth went around the Sun. Whereas the self proclaimed SON said the earth was 64 miles square, the other terrorist said when asked where the sun went every evening proclaimed that once on a long walk to the West he saw the Sun hiding in a marsh!
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
By the by, don't ever mention Antonia and Modiji in the same breath. One is spotlessly incorruptible proud patriotic Indian. The other is unscrouply corrupt, venal patriotic Italian or is is Vaticanian
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Madhusudhan N.R. on Dec 26, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
Sounds nice and idealistic, Livi. Come back to the real world. First, understand that Hindus and Hinduism have never claimed monopoly on God. Its the semetics who are doing it. Srilankan Hindus are welcome to share the pride of Modi's win, but they know how to take care of themselves. Modis and Advanis will worry about protecting Indian citizens first. You talk of babri masjid, a delapidated structure which was demolished by Hindus. Then do not forget the hundreds of functioning Hindu temples in Pak, Bangladesh and other Islamic states that were razed. Why should the Pope, as a guest in India, talk about conversion of Hindus? Don't Hindus and our organizations have the right to retaliate? Who gives the right to the mullahs and the christian priests to throw mud at Hinduism? What do they know about the beauty, depth and glory of the Sanatana Dharma? Yes, the law has to be respected. Tell that to the jihadi hordes pouring across the borders, fomenting trouble in India and to the Indian muslims supporting them in their nefarious designs. Then talk about Hindus. The Gujarat victory is indeed a matter of great pride for all Hindus, and also a kick in the butt for all secular apologists and the converting hordes who are turning against their hosts, like cancerous cells. Like it or lump it.
RE:RE:Indians not Hindus
by J Livingston on Dec 26, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
As you said Babri Masjid razed by Hindus also wrong. Muslims razing the Hindu structure in Bangladesh or other countries also wrong. Let the Modis and Advanis protect the Indian Hindus first. I agree, but above which anywhere in the world if the Humanitarian laws general to the entire globe is overtaken we should have the duty to condemn the wrong things. Whether it is happened in USA, UK or anywhere in the world. In Srilanka the Hindus are suffering only because they are tamils. Most of them are Hindus. Irrespective of your religion, cast, colour please respect the humanitarian sense. No religion is better than the other. No religion is worst than the other. Trust God and go ahead. Leave the religion aside.
RE:Indians not Hindus
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
"What Hindus who have been trapped in a sentimental glorification of Jesus and other prophets will have to learn, is that the essence of Hindu Dharma is not %u201Ctolerance%u201D, or %u201Cequal respect for all religions%u201D, but Satya, truth. The problem with Christianity and Islam is superficially their intolerance and fanaticism. But this intolerance is a consequence of these religions%u2019 untruthfulness: if your belief system is based on delusions, you have to pre-empt rational inquiry into it and shield it from contact with more sustainable thought systems. The fundamental problem with the monotheist religions is not that they are intolerant, but that they are untrue, (Asatya or Anrita). "
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by bhooma on Dec 27, 2007 07:35 AM Permalink
Mr.Periyar agreed that every citizen has the right to follow any religion based on their personal belief.But personal should not spoil the society.In the name of religion you should not ask for different laws.What ever be your personal religion remember you should be an indian and you should abide to indian civil laws and indian criminal laws.Why you want different civil laws but want indian criminal laws. why you want reservation on the basis of religion. people have right to convert.But nobody has the right to preach and lure people to convert. yes caste system makes people to think and convert.But conversion does not solve the issue.now also people called them selves as converted christians without shedding their caste identity. To stop all this caste system, first caste and religion based reservation should go and the people should not be asked to give the religion and caste at any point even at the time of child's school admission and even if asked those who want to come out these crutches should refuse to divulge the same. then only this menance will be stopped.
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by Periyar on Dec 26, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
Religion is everybody's personal belief. India is a democratic country and everybody has right to follow any religion and have right to convert.Please find reasons why people are converting?? It is because they looks for equality, they hates caste system, they hate Mausmrithi. Livingston, u dnt have to be regretted, cheer up
RE:Indians not Hindus
by J Livingston on Dec 26, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
Dear Vishal,
If "the mullahs instruct the muslims whome to vote or Kerala's churches where the priest instruct the cathlics whome to vote" both are wrong. They are the worst enemies of our democratic country of India. They should stop this activity immediately. Any sensible person whether He is a Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Sikh etc would not listen their religious leaders whome to vote. Individual rights needs to be exercised fairly and freely without any bias by all the citizens of India.
RE:Indians not Hindus
by ARVIND DESAI on Dec 26, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
My dear friend Livingston, Do you really have practical and viable plans for actually making the mullahs and church priests stop meddling in politics? Don't you remember that Churchill (or maybe someone else??) had said that the church is our fifth column and it never fails. This dirty practice of using religion to grab political control (like many many other dirty things which we have imbibed in the last about a hundred years) has come to us from Europe/ Middle East. We need to destroy this tendancy there and not here in India where we are somehow trying to save whatever good things are still left in our once glorious civilization.
RE:Indians not Hindus
by J Livingston on Dec 26, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
Yes Dr. Arvind Desai. I agree with you. Religion and politics should not mix at any cost. It is not good for the democratic India. At any cost it should be stopped, whether it comes from UK or somewhere else.
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by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
the censor paid by the Vatican works at break neck speed is it Livingston?
1. Pulpit came from the word pulp-IT and the bishops follow this religiously ever since 2. 'Lay' public. One who is fit to be 'laid' is called thus as opposed to clergy (is a sort of anagram of Lecher). 3. 'Mass' and 'Service' refers to that mass which every bishop worth his pizza is supposed to use during the after-service. Some like it to mean boys others nuns
You are absolutely right. Modi appeals to many Hindus! Similarly Osama appeals to many Muslims as well! And Hitler appealed to Germans! There are many many more... That does not make them right in what they do.
They all employed some common tactics: - Create fear and hatred towards other communities - Position as the savior of their respective community - Be ruthless and merciless to others - Treat others as inferior beings - Try to generate a positive image to convince the naive and gullible
Can we all rise above the shackles of our own artificial boundaries and borders of religions, nations, etc.? For the sake of humanity, I sure hope so.
RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
You should Paul was the ultimate cheat of them all! He did it by naming the cult he formed with that of a man who claimed came for the redemption of Jews only. Ever since then this cult has spread that poison and has accounted for the deaths of nearly 20 million poor people who refused to fall for his tricks. It is only the toilet cleaning 'laid' public who still believe in those lies.
RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
Let the church ban the terms apostate, excommunicate etc to show it's tolerance first. Stop preaching!Once they remove the tools of forcible retention of Churchians, one will find mass desertions. I understand the church has dubious tools to retain membership: they have to issue some sort of a conduct certificate before marriage or any such event and this is withheld for those not bothering to go to church to listen to the weekly lies
RE:RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Periyar on Dec 26, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
Religion is everybody's personal belief. India is a democratic country and everybody has right to follow any religion and have right to convert.Please find reasons why people are converting?? It is because they looks for equality, they hates caste system, they hate Mausmrithi. Why Ambedkar converted????
RE:RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Periyar on Dec 26, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Sonia an Italian and enemy for country and Francois is Son of soil and friend of India....ha ha ahhaaaa
RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 06:02 PM Permalink
Ambedkar first thought of converting to Paulianity but since the Gov General told him that he was unfir to become a judge he became a Buddhist as an afterthought. Read "Worshipping False Gods"
RE:RE:RE:Same way many others did!!!
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Then why are sensible whites converting to the path of Dharma without any inducement of bread loaf, free education, beautiful girls etc sheerly for the profoundity of thought systems. Why did the Queen of Spain convert but has been forced by Opus Dei to remain quiet or else face their squads?
By blood Hindus are secular. They respect others religion. The whole Earth is one family is the phylosaphy of Hindus. You will never find 'On Sward - somebody is converted to Hindu.OR by Money Power somebody is convereted as Hindu'So the population of Hindu is not increasing. By birth Hindu but formed another religion like Goutam Buddha, Guru Govind Singh -- all are co existing without any problem. Politics on basis of Religion has made all MESS. Hindus are 'Coward', Do not WORRY. Perhaps this opinion of terrorists might have changed. Unfortunately some sectors understand the language of LIFE THREAT only. Then only they behave OK. Ishalla god save all of us.
Media and the so called secular parties are creating hatred among communities. What Modi has achieved is great. It would not have been possible without many Muslims voting for him. They also realize that Modi is not corrupt, stands for development. All communities in India need development. Riots are just like any other incident. How many riots have taken place in India since independence? Who is to blame for them. Congress has been in power during most of these riots. Riots have been engineered by Congress for the sake of diverting public attention, changing Chief Ministers and such mundane reasons.
These rouge secular parties have never helped Muslims. It is high time that Muslims realize this. They should remember that during the last 5 years of Modi's rule, there were no riots.
Muslims should start integrating with the rest of the Indian society. This will surely lead to communal harmony and all goodies. This will also lead to reducing the skepticism in the minds of Hindus about them.
DO NOT TRUST THE MEDIA AND THE SO-CALLED SECULAR PARTIES.
Divide and rule Trick is OLD and can only work so may times, people have caught up to it. imo it will no longer work in future to return its past results. India is 80% hindu any party that creates its platform on undermining the 80% interests will have increasingly tougher task in future until it gets obliterated. Party of the future will appease the 80% hindus of however many fractions.
As the years go by and common man gets more educated and AWARE he or she will realize India is the land of HINDUISM where are other religion are welcome as long as they agree to live free UNDER THE HINDUISM umbrella and not attempt to take the umbrella down . If they cannot then they should get out or convert back to Hinduism or to a religion not hostile to Hinduism like Buddhism .
Sangh Parivar goons continuing their naked dance with their victory in Gujarat.
Sangh Parivar rioters attack churches in several towns in Kondhmal district of Orissa on Christmas celebrations. Hindu extremists are increasingly targeting middle class churches in cosmopolitan centers.
Sangh Parivar not believe in Democracy. It's cadres attacked on a big rally of CPI(M) at Jind, Haryana on 26.12.2007. BJP is a communal party, which is dividing people on the basis of religion and caste for gaining political power.
Sangh Parivar earlier attacked Don Bosco students including adivasi, priests and a sister attacked at Vadodara on 19.12.2007.
RE:Sangh Parivar goons continuing their naked dance with their victory in Gujarat.
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
Those bloody pedophilic bishops were at their usual game of seducing young tribal boys to the pulpit which the local tribal VHP leader protested for which he was attacked by the local "servicing" agents the "lay" (aptly named by the Popes) public were used as tools already "serviced" like this Sahadevan. Why don't you go to Vatican or canterbury to clean the toilets and backsides of those non-bathing Cardinals and Archbishops?
RE:Sangh Parivar goons continuing their naked dance with their victory in Gujarat.
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 26, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
I am ashamed to say I was once a Don Bosco pupil, however I am thankful to those brothers for i saw with my own eyes what they did to my Catholic fellow pupils and sisters of Fatima School. Being among the top 5 pupils of the class i was thrown out of the school for my virulent opposition to their doings. It's another matter I did the Matric exams privately and topped many of the toppers of that school. Incidentally the catholics were advised during the catecism classes to mark unobtrusively the letter C so the correcting teachers would know what to do while marking the papers. Those days all the schools offering Matric were catholic!
RE:RE:Sangh Parivar goons continuing their naked dance with their victory in Gujarat.
by galilio on Dec 26, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
islamic terrorists (not all islamic people)are danger to india be hindu or muslims.but christianity is danger to hindus.islamic terrorists kill few hindus and few muslims also but christianity kills entire hinduism. islamic terrorists attack hindus directly with burst of bomb blast.chirstianity trained missionaries attack hindus faith with thunder noise of preaching like slow poison. islamic terrorists are enemies to bharath. christianity missionaries are traitor to bharath with back stabbing. bush and sonia are presently engaged in promoting conversion agenda- soul harvesting india.let all hindus irrespective of any caste or creed or language unite to fight these dying western faith in its origin itself.
