All the `secular%u2019 politicians and the secular media say is that Modi has won on `communal%u2019 agenda, defeating the `secular%u2019 opposition. They are unable to digest his outstanding victory! However, no one is ready to say whether there are any true `secularists%u2019 left in this country. One should read the article `Elixir of India%u2019 by Soli J.Sorabjee, former attorney-general of India, about Secularism in the latest issue of `The WEEK%u2019 to really know what true secularism is. He says: According to Pandit Nehru, a secular state %u201Cdoes not obviously mean a state, where religion is discouraged. It means freedom of religion and conscience, including freedom for those who have no religion, subject only to their not interfering with each other in the basic conception of our state%u201D. Going by this realistic definition, one can say that there are no real secularists in India any more. The pet pastime of the secularists is `Hindu%u2019 bashing to garner minority votes. He further says that a secular state cannot directly or indirectly, by way of subsidy or otherwise extend financial assistance to religious activities. Hence, he says that subsidizing the Haj is wrong and contrary to the spirit of Article 27 of our constitution! Given the race among our `secular%u2019 politicians to appease the minorities for their votes, it is hardly surprising that there are no true seculars in our country and there are only fundamental secularists, who are more dangerous
RE:plight of muslims n xtians
by Sun on Dec 24, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
The problem in Kerala is all sane people have out to work.Only mad commies are residing there now eating off the fruits of their brothers hard earned money from outside.
Congress reaction lines are always ready IF CONGRESS FARES WELL ITS SONIA VICTORY, IF CONGRESS FARES BADLY THEN IT THE LOCAL CONGRESS LEADERS ARE RESPONSIBLE! Congress unleashed brazen Sonia in to Gujarat polls. After her miserable failure, Sibals & Singhvis are now in Save Sonia mission. They will now say that Sonia is national leader and a state election results are not testimony to her popularity. It is like saying you made me bite the dust, but Im. still the winner! Sonia bought and used the media to fight Modi. NOw she is hiding from the same media.
It is sure that Gujarat Elections have reduced Sonia to be a losing regional satrap and Narendra Modi to be a triumphant national leader, who will be out future prime minister.
RE:SONIA HIDING AS USUAL
by anil mahajan on Dec 24, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Kris,
Pls pls do not say any thing to Sonia or Rahul. As it is, they are in deep mourning. And what can poor Sibal and Singhvi do. After they have to live. As it is there professional careers are finished. And if they say a single word against madam, they are gone. Pls suggest them what to do.
RE:SONIA HIDING AS USUAL
by rakesh mittal on Dec 24, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
Rahul Gandhi is still the hope of young India. at least he is better than the soft and indecisive giani manmohan singh jee .
RE:SONIA HIDING AS USUAL
by galilio on Dec 24, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
rakesh mittal,you want rahul gandhi to be PM. your sons will accept his colombian girl friend boy as PM.it will go on from italy to colombia and finally vatigan will interven and appoint PM directly by pope who will change the name of congress to VATIGAN CONGRESS.still hindus like you will fall at his feet becouse hindus were slaves to mughul emperors and then to british and now to italian and finally to vaitgan. what happened to EAST TIMUR and FIJI ISLANDs and to other countries will happen to india also if hindus do not stop crowning nehru family members.
RE:SONIA HIDING AS USUAL
by anil mahajan on Dec 24, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
Mr Mittal, On what basis is Rahul the hope of India. How is he better then any other young Indian. Does anybody knows his views. What does he stands for. What are his ideas and plans for the developement of India. Is he a hope simply because he is from gandhi family and son of Sonia. Let him extensively tour India, tell the public what are his ideas, hold some important post for a long period in his mummy's party, do some thing for the public. Only then can be seen if he is a good hope for India or not. Let him not try to sit on the throne simply because of the fact of his birth. as it is he has become a general secretary in congress party without any credentials. First let him prove himself.
RE:SONIA HIDING AS USUAL
by Krish Koundy on Dec 24, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Rahuls Gandhi surname is a big lie! what ever he wants to do, he must do after remiving the surname
Everyone should know that if there is a rise means Falls also there. don't think long lasting, as once BRITISHES told that in British Rules there is no Sun Set,
now you nothing in the hands of British, Last was Hong Kong That also gone,
So if Narendara Modi is CM for Today then future some one will become CM,
About Narendara Modi, Why American EMbassy did not grant him visa ? because he is responsible for killing innocent people,
Even Supreme court changes cases from Gujrath to another States because of un justise.
About L. K. Advani, he came from Pakistan not from India, still his case is pending in Pakistan of Murder.
In Politics there is no Religion, only there religion is chair and power.
RE:About Rise & Fall
by saamraaj on Dec 24, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
oh pepsi i think u r Israel agent, pepsi is bad to health, shut up ur mouth and don't use pepsi name its a danger to health
RE:About Rise & Fall
by anil mahajan on Dec 24, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Mr Saamraaj,
Is the visa to USA every thing for you. If Modi gets a visa to USA now, will you say he is innocent. If Dawood gets visa of USA, will you say he has done no wrong. Dont know what you are writing. As for Advani, I think you dont know ABC of Indian constitution. As per our constitution, all people who migrated from Pakistan to India atn the time of partition are citizens of India just like those who were living in India before partition. Pls read the laws carefully and then open your mouth. May be you are not able to understand the laws that's why you are shouting. By the way, it is your madam Sonia who came to India but did not take the citizenship of this country for more then a decade. Pls check the facts. Only when her husband enetered politics, she thought it fit to become Indian citizen.
RE:About Rise & Fall
by Mahesh Jagga on Dec 24, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
Before responding to all your statements, I have something to say - "LOSER"
a) True everyone falls. Now sit for five years and wait for Modi to fall. b) Americans granting visa to anyone is not a character certificate. All those who were involved in 9/11, were given visa by America. c)If Modi is responsible for whatever you are saying he is, why there is no case against him even outside Gujrat. d) Pakistan has clarified on LKA issue. But you seem to live in Sudan.
From today onwards Indians should only respect honesty and clean governance everything else is trash throw it into garbage. You either work for ALL Indian people or dont work and anyone who supports anti-India forces under any garb is to be thrown out, out of power, out of India.
RE:Indians respect honesty and clean governance
by rakesh mittal on Dec 24, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
Indians should only respect honesty and clean governance .
The defeat was not of ideology but that of hypocrisy and fraudulent ideas that are bereft of all conviction and is only driven by convenience, greed and tools for misrule with drive to usurp power by means fair or fowl.
RE:Finally a man with integrity... in the media..!!! Kudos to Kanchan Gupta..!!
by rakesh mittal on Dec 24, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
vinod dua is basicaly a panjabi person and getting visualy upset on tv shows bias and speaks about ill health of media .
didn't we understand media as independent , fearless and unbiased sort of thing?
weak people like dua whose body language shows that they are upset over election results can never do independent reporting which is the basis of journalism.
a lot of independent reporting is what makes media creditable.
if it is known that a particular channel shows biased reports and faulty analysis , then why should people see that channel ?
RE:Finally a man with integrity... in the media..!!! Kudos to Kanchan Gupta..!!
by Mahesh Jagga on Dec 24, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
May be it happened inadvertently, but you are categorizing punjabis here.
Dua's problem (he actually shrank yesterday) has nothing to do with he being a punjabi.
Your heading for the story is a complete misnomer. You have described all the economic developments, admin skills of Modi, etc. Then, how do you justify your subject heading 'Idols, let's be honest, are better vote-getters than ideology'
RE:Idols, let's be honest, are better vote-getters than ideology
by rakesh mittal on Dec 24, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
modi has won because of his organisational abilities and because he is not a hypocrite.
but when he comes on national scene , his policy must be for equal development for all people and no persecution to anybody or any class or any caste or any religion.
but he must maintain the toughness of governance that he has shown and proved as somebody who can deliver .
and no leniency on terrorists of any religion and if convicted by due process of law then immediate hanging and nothing like mohd afzal case who is not hanged despite supreme court given death sentence to him and till now there is no presedential pardon also ? and should not people have right to demand answer from govt. that is soft on terrorists that are bleeding india ?
Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
They lose the strength to do violence to change the direction from poor people's basic rites. They lose the strength to attack on artists They lose the strength to attack medias They lose the strength to attack Communists They lose the strength to Muslims They lose the strength to Christians They lose the strength to Dalits They lose the strength to escape from corruption charges
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by sir on Dec 24, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
you stupid-you dont know the history-the great admirer of this country by intellect-sirdar vallabhbhaipatel-who is the cause for integrity-other wise-stupid nehru would have made one morepak in nidia-hyd- these are facts-throw this family secure your country-so many killings happened-does cong-made hindu muslims christians-to come on one stage-condemn-stupid fellow- you need iron hand like patel-there is mody-then every thing is alright-sangh-hinduvata--all non sense-gujarat-bordered by mafia thro -diu-daman-kutch border-you app. modi his governance-how he controlled-train burnt-you stupid fellow-have thought of them-what happened to their families burnt-as we are concerned other side-what happened in -nandigram-killings-this country needs tough ness undiluted character like mody-can you kick the breast of your mother who gave milk-this country is like that-come to expectation of charcter-throw nehru family gang-mafia-clean your country=dont make stupid writing--i am thinking many times you are-rogue with no sense-improve-
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by rajesh on Dec 24, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
left are one bunch of jokers dude
RE:RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by Sahadevan KK on Dec 24, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
They lose the strength to do violence to change the direction from poor people's basic rites. They lose the strength to attack on artists They lose the strength to attack medias They lose the strength to attack Communists They lose the strength to Muslims They lose the strength to Christians They lose the strength to Dalits They lose the strength to escape from corruption charges
RE:RE:RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by rajesh on Dec 24, 2007 12:22 PM Permalink
dude ur commies newspaper got bribe worth 1 crore from fraduster lottery king Martin in Kerala. it became a big issue.
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by Sahadevan KK on Dec 24, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Hindu Fascism is an ideology to kill Muslims and Christians to make Hindu Rashtra. We have to resist them with our blood like Bhagat Singh.
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by anil mahajan on Dec 24, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
A very good idea. You write so much in this forum. You are absolutely right. Pls start this process by being the 1st to shed your blood to stop fascist BJP. But it would be better if you go out of India to shed your blood so the pure soil of our country is not spoiled by your dirty blood and your body can also be disposed off abroad. By the way what is meaning of fascism. Pls expalin before sacrificing yourself.
RE:RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by Indian on Dec 24, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
Dare not spoil Shaheed Bhagat Singh's name by associating him with your blood!
Great warriors like him would never have accepted your viewpoints.
People like you will kill people and then try to ahcieve good reputation by associating with people like Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Gandhi (Mahatma and not the current fraud Gandhi namesakes...) .
RE:RE:RE:RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by sir on Dec 24, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
you stupid-you dont know the history-the great admirer of this country by intellect-sirdar vallabhbhaipatel-who is the cause for integrity-other wise-stupid nehru would have made one morepak in nidia-hyd- these are facts-throw this family secure your country-so many killings happened-does cong-made hindu muslims christians-to come on one stage-condemn-stupid fellow- you need iron hand like patel-there is mody-then every thing is alright-sangh-hinduvata--all non sense-gujarat-bordered by mafia thro -diu-daman-kutch border-you app. modi his governance-how he controlled-train burnt-you stupid fellow-have thought of them-what happened to their families burnt-as we are concerned other side-what happened in -nandigram-killings-this country needs tough ness undiluted character like mody-can you kick the breast of your mother who gave milk-this country is like that-come to expectation of charcter-throw nehru family gang-mafia-clean your country=dont make stupid writing--i am thinking many times you are-rogue with no sense-improve-
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by avi on Dec 24, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Mr Sahadevan KK Can you deny one fact that in the last five yeras of BJP rule in Gujrat there was not a single rite (danga). And in last 50 yeras of Congress rule every year there used to be some kind of tension and killing. So which rule you will say is better, a carfeu free civil socity or a feerfull socity. Your answer is awaited.
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by Indian on Dec 24, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Avi - do not expect KKS to reply.
He is insane and lunatic. He is beyond reasoning and can only vent out frustration by jumping around for 10 minutes. His fuel runs out after that and he sleeps.
This is how he has behaved for last so many months. I have challenged him many times, but true to his commie bosses, his blood is white - he cannot stand up to any logical discussion.
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by rajesh on Dec 24, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
1) Nandigram killings? 2) TMC killings in Kolkatta? 3) Singur unrest? 4) Dandakaranya killings? 5) Shuttling Taslima? 6) Supporting China during Indo-china War? 7) Licccccccccckingggggg China?
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by Indian on Dec 24, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
Welcome back Sahadevan.
I admire the impunity and absurdity you show through your comments. I think I am exposed to another aspect of humanity when I hear your comments. Needless to say, you do not know how to accept defeat. You are clearly unwise and ill-informed. But your courage and perseverance is commendable.
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by rakesh mittal on Dec 24, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Indian on Dec 24, 2007 01:13 PM Dare not spoil Shaheed Bhagat Singh's name by associating him with your blood!
Great warriors like him would never have accepted your viewpoints.
People like you will kill people and then try to ahcieve good reputation by associating with people like Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Gandhi (Mahatma and not the current fraud Gandhi namesakes...) .
reply to the above post is :-
dont raise hype about bhagat jee too much . you must understand that there were a large no. of freedom fighters who showed much more bravery than bhagat jee even. bhagat ,rajguru , azad etc. went to kill scott but could kill only saunders who was a much junior official .
if bhagat ,rajguru , azad etc. were indians then their names can be associated with indians .
RE:Now the Left must get strength in the entire India, so Sangh Parivar loses the strength to do....
by rajesh on Dec 24, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
welcome back KK ya u commies did the following? 1) Nandigram killings? 2) TMC killings in Kolkatta? 3) Singur unrest? 4) Dandakaranya killings? 5) Shuttling Taslima? 6) Supporting China during Indo-china War? 7) Licccccccccckingggggg China?
