This is not for the first time i m witnessing filthy views by some lower rung people of Indian society. The so-called chauvinist n well-educated individuals are always seen spewing a vile stream against different religions, personalities and common men. I don't understand apathy of rediff in all such cases. I don't think we deserve to call ourselves human-being if we can't respect each others views n behave with decorum in such public forums. Nobody is above law n comparing someone wid god (of any religion) is showing immaturity n bankruptcy of ideas.
RE:Third class people's discussion forum
by B L Narayan on Dec 23, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
Keep doing what I do. Keep marking any messages that are against the spirit of a public forum as "abusive". Apparently, these messages are reviewed once they are reported for abuse. That's how the rediff editors would understand how many comments are abusive (not to mention, divisive and hateful).
RE:Allah is a Myth!!
by Roshan Seth on Dec 23, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
How ignorant. Only if you knew the literal meaning of the word "Allah". It is combination of two words, "Al" means "the" and "Ilah" means "God". Allah means "The God".
Don't be ignorant. Be informed, be truthful, have guts to accept the fact, get liberated.
RE:Allah is a Myth!!
by bharati sarkar on Dec 23, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
What is the identity of Allah 'The God'(Bhagvan)?Is He a person or impersonal? If humans,cats and dogs have personality, why can't the Omnipotent God? Is it possible to love,pray and worship God if He has no personality? The Muslims,Christians,Jews do not have any information about the identity of God in their scriptures.The Vedic literature states that it is impossible for humans to know God,since He is inconceiveable.The only way to know Him therefore is if He reveals His identity to us.In Bhagvat Gita, Krsna states, He is the source of All creation,the seed giving Father of all living entities and the Supreme shelter.So why do the Muslims,Christians and Jews accept Krsna as the identity of God? This information is not depriving them of their scriptures but simply filling in the blanks. The ever youthful,bluish complexioned cowherd boy!who decorates His head with peacock feathers,likes to wear yellow garments,whose beauty surpasses that of millions of Cupids and who plays on the flute on the banks of river Jamuna is God!He can be constantly seen by the devoted whose eyes are tinged with the salve of love.Imagine if we all accept Krsna as God,follow the Bhagvat Gita and accept Vaishnavism(devotee of Vishu or Krsna) as the only religion.Then and only then can there be peace in this world.This process is very simple.Just chant Hare Krsna!constantly.
RE:Allah is a Myth!!
by Love on Dec 23, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
My dear fellow Indian....Stop your hatred for fellow Indians...Love India....Stop the hate campaign.
it seems that congress is not going 2 have any recovery in the near future???first of all in himachal pradesh congress is fightin for the 2nd spot with bsp....now sum congress supporters will attack me 4 sayin the truth...of course u can but u can live ina fool's paradise only 4 3 days ok..and just c the statement of virabhadra singh in prominent indian newspapers(the hindu,the tribune..)that he won't resign even if he loses election!!!really fantastic politician???? and in karnataka congress is all set 2 throw away a golden oppurtunity as there is no return of sm krishna 2 the state politics and it seems congress want bjp 2 rule karnataka also with single majority....soniaji is certainly having difficult times???
RE:Muslims
by varun shrivastava on Dec 23, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Dear mr. Pradeep Kumar, If you want to leave, you are most welcome to do so. But do not try to divide Indians in the name of religion or caste.
Tell me which country you want to go to and if have any visa problems, contact me. I live in Karol Bag.
RE:Muslims
by GX on Dec 23, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
nah nah...rote nahi beta. jao bangladesh mey jao..aur dheko thumara beti ko kaise rape karthe mullah desh.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by Vladimir Stalin on Dec 23, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
The Veda says, Ekam Sath Viprah Bahudha Vadanti (God is one, but the wise refer to Him by various names). But such high philosophies the desert dwellers who fight for water wells, tents and camels will not understand. We can pardon them for their ignorance.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by Love on Dec 23, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
My dear fellow Indian....Stop your hatred for fellow Indians...Love India....Stop the hate campaign.
Syed Firdaus Ashraf...don't show your own feelings on the pretext of meeting some unknown muslims outside BJP office. Why the hell Modi has to go to a dargah??? WHY!!!!!!! Which muslim leader goes to a temple???
Don't take undue advantage of democracy in India. Sometimes, for a change, dare to right on the unknown and deteriorating condition of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh respectively.
An one advice to you and all other muslims. Whole world is slowly understanding the truth behind Islam. Do cnvert back to Hinduism (from where your ancestors originally came from) and most of you would be saved from going to hell...(I am not biased...good people surely go to heaven and so the good muslims)
RE:Don't show your feelings Syed Firdaus Ashraf
by ammy on Dec 23, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
atul bhai, Firdaus is a Syed and Ashraf too...Syeds are decendents of mohammad...through his daughter Fatima who was married to her uncle-Ali. Ali and Fatima had two sons,One of the son had married upteen times and also had more than 300 sex slaves ...Their children from Hassan and his multiple partners called themselves 'syeds' or the 'pure ones'from the family of mohammad...and their decendents continued to call themselves syeds. Ashraf is the term used by muslim to denote a muslim who were amongst the first to convert to islam...there an ashraf is not a local convert. So bhai, you get the drift, he is not from amongst us.
RE:Don't show your feelings Syed Firdaus Ashraf
by hasher jordan on Dec 23, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
Hi Atul Narayan, I read you mail about asking Muslims to convert to Hinduism. Either you are a frog in well or plain ignorant to come up with such a statement. Another point is 'truth behind islam...' you mentioned.for that you need to read the Holy Quran or talk to somebody who knows about the religion.Islam is the second largest religion in the world and also the fastest growing one.1.5 billion people in this world are muslims.I dont think all of them will follow Islam if it was really an evil religion. Please get you facts right please Hasher Kadavil
RE:RE:Don't show your feelings Syed Firdaus Ashraf
by ammy on Dec 23, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
hasher, islam is fastest growing religion becoz of high birth rate amongst the illiterate, unemployed and poverty-sicken muslims in countries like pak, bang, india, afghanistan ,iran,iraq, sudan, sahara, and amongst muslim immigrant population in europe. You want others to match your stupidity by marrying four women and producing ten hunger ridden children under one roof and than blamming the govts for showing apathy. Is there any place under the sun, where muslims are satisfied?
· India is constitutionally secular while majority of political parties are based on religion and openly propagate religious and caste hatred. · Even after having enough evidence about number of minorities%u2019 killings, central agencies do not take action against Fundamentalists. · Minorities are falsely implicated by the central and state agencies and killed or jailed indefinitely. · We have mass murder implicated politicians re-elected and governing the states. · Election commission does not have any teeth to implement the constitution. · Elections are run based on religion, caste and creed rather than development. · Minorities are marginalized in India, while we complain to other countries regarding their minorities%u2019 treatment. · Majority fundamentalists are allowed to arm and spread violence against minorities while India proclaims to the world that we are secular democratic country.
RE:Is this real face of India
by mohanbabu appaiahgari on Dec 23, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Boss, Being a Hindu state we never ever got any support from our own so called secular Government. I am strong believer of Secularism. But then, in a secular state all should be treated and identified like human beings. Rather we see people crying only when a Muslim or a Christian face problems. Tell me why does this happen? Ok the answer is that its a political drama and so called "Vote politics". Then where are Hindus suppose to go. It doesn't mean that all Hindus should try to evacuate Muslims. I too have some Muslim friends. But then, when there is problem for Hindus, like the one for Kashmiri Pandits, they don't say anything and infact, they say Kashmiri muslims are facing problems over there and, hence, they do it. But we all know the truth about what's happening in Kashmir. Now that the international union is against the terrorism, Muslims are finding no place to hide. Instead, if they walk hand-in-hand with all the religions and don't shout for even a small thing, which happens to every human being, then all of us can live a peaceful and secular life. So, I feel that its just a fight for existence. If Muslims are fighting for no reasons, at least Hindus are fighting against the odds and there is a reason behind this. So, Mr. Patriot, we are Indians. We always treated every religion with lots of respect and dignity. But if, other religions cross swords with us, then we too can do that and try to tell the world that we exist and we too can fight for our existence. hope
RE:Is this real face of India
by ammy on Dec 23, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
why do you malign all minorities, when you speak only for muslims? Jews , buddhists, jains, sikhs are also minorities and so are parsees...You think your whining can be valid to any other minority in the country? no. Than plz change the word 'minorities' to 'muslims'.
RE:Is this real face of India
by arun iyer on Dec 23, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Remember Kashmiri pandits ; Were they killed by majority fundamentalists? Only islam considers war against any other religion acceptable ; we all know what happens to non muislims in islamic paradises;
Why do Muslims always want special favours ? Other minorities like Christians or the Sikhs or Parsees do not ask for any special treatment. There are so may rich Muslim industrialists. Bollywood is full of rich stars like the Khans. Why are they not building schools and colleges for their community ? Or create a fund for Haj trips. Why does the Govt have to subsidize the Haj trips out of Tax payers' money
RE:Why are they complaining ?
by Venkat Chandra on Dec 23, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Is there a limtation as to the number of pilgrimage trips a person makes ? Does he get paid for every visit ? And how does one know whether someone is using the subsidy money for making business trips to Saudi or a nearby country ? Please enlighten me.
RE:Why are they complaining ?
by ::: on Dec 23, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
You are right, Venkat! Why should the pilgrimage trip of a religious group be sponsored by the other religions? This is one activity that needs to be stopped as soon as possible....
RE:Why are they complaining ?
by ammy on Dec 23, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
exactly...Besides shariat clearly sez, muslims should make a haj trip ones in his life time from his own expence...yet indian muslims are shameless enough to accept kaffir's money to make their haj trips.
The statement of one of the citizens of Gujarat Mr. Mohammad Hussain : "Jo hua, accha hua (Whatever happened has happened for the good). We have forgotten the past and moved ahead. We hope Modi too forgets the past and does some good for the Muslim community. Now it is high time for Modi take the confidence and uplift the muslim community. They are also Indian citizens. If one muslem committed any mistake we should not blame the entire community. Muslem scholars should bring their community in the forefront. My request to Modi is bring back the confidence of the minority community in his state and see that their and the children of this community is looked after well.
RE:Talk about peace as long as the enemy is strong and attack when he is weak
by Roshan Seth on Dec 23, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
How ignorant...
What you have jotted down is pigment of your imagination.. Your own wish..
Islam is totally opposite of what you have mentioned. Show one case in history which shows behaviour as mentioned by you. Well actually, you can find a handful but not done by muslims, rather against muslims, such as Gujarat.
Don't be ignorant. Be informed, be truthful, have guts to accept the fact, get liberated.
RE:Talk about peace as long as the enemy is strong and attack when he is weak
by anand vijay on Dec 23, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
Hi Roshan, Kindly update your knowledge on Indian History. Study about Mohammed bin Qassim, the first invader from the arabworld and know about his deeds on Indians. Do u know about Al-ghori's? Do u know about Mughal invasions? Do u know about aurangazeb, the terrorist who killed millions of innocent Indians who resisted conversion to Islam? Do u know about "Thej Bhahadur" the 9th Gurunanak who was brutally murdered by Aurangazeb on a peace-mission for kashmiri pundits? Do you know about more than 3000 temples destructed through out India? Do u know about the tax payed by non-muslims to the Mughal rulers? Do you know about "Mappila Riot in South India"? Do you know about lakhs of people murdered in Afghan, Bangladesh and Pakistan after 1992 riots? If you don't know all these, how can you call urself an Indian? Regards, A True Indian
RE:Talk about peace as long as the enemy is strong and attack when he is weak
by kishore on Dec 23, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
WHERE ARE u MAN, Are U in stone age or Bronze age. What your written in noncense. Religeion is a big bull shit. Whi follow religion are fools and head less chikens.
RE:Talk about peace as long as the enemy is strong and attack when he is weak
by Indian on Dec 23, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
Modi aur Peace ka to door dooor tak koi waasta nahi hai.
tumhare mahatmaji ne peace ke chote chote pieces karte ganaga me baha diye hai
RE:Talk about peace as long as the enemy is strong and attack when he is weak
by Hooter on Dec 23, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Muslims owe an apology to Hindus for all the atrocities committed by Mughals & Nizams.
If they want mend their ways & if they are serious about peaceful co-existence, they should donate the occupied lands around Temples in Ayodhya, Mathura & Varnasi to Hindus. These mosques were built on the holiest temples of Hindus on the specific instructions of Aurangzeb.
By doing so, they can win back the confidence of Hindus & secondly, the indian politics will be changed forever.
