Friends, if you look carefully, around 1000 AD, India and Europe were at the same level; same superstitions, same feudal structure, etc. No difference in standard of living. Then Islam gushed into India via the Arab invasion of Sind, while civilization was saved when Turks were stopped at the gates of Vienna. That is the precise moment when India's destiny changed. For the next 1000 years, we were clamped down, while the West lurched around, making numerous mistakes, but at every stage, picking out at least one thorn of barbarism. By the 1800s, they were way ahead and then came industrial revolution and everything else. All that could have been achieved by Indians simultaneously if it had not been for Islamic fascism. It is Muslims who robbed our destiny, the caste system and untouchability would have disappeared in due course just like the European fedual system fell apart. It is because of Muslims that this progress did not happen. Dont blame Brahmins. It is Islam that perpetuated the edifice of violence and barbarism
RE:why blame brahmins when Islam is the enemy
by sachin srivastava on Dec 17, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
U tathagata u enemy of country. U r using fake id
RE:why blame brahmins when Islam is the enemy
by purna on Dec 17, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
You are wrong. India had ha higher standard of living, no. 1 international trade, fair distribution of resorces as wealth was not accumulated. India was rich in culture, trade and quality of life.
"Yet has any Indian historian enquired who this guy Archbold was? How did a Cambridge don writing about French poetry become the Principal at this college? Who suggested his name? Why did his predecessor resign? Is there a biography? No, sir, not one. The man has become a mere footnote even though there are a million questions to be answered about him."
Should they be researching this? Sure, but their job depend on not researching such topics. Why bother? Truth can be harmful to ego, health and pockets. God forbid they are wrong.
Compliments to the columnist for pinpointing the root cause of the problem. The Muslim separatism and the North-South divide are all the handiwork of the English.
Even the recent Sikh problem and other fissaparious forces have their 'godfathers' outside India.
The sooner we Indians realise these nefarious acts of the aliens and take appropriate action, the better for the country.
RE:Kudos
by Abhishek Banerjee on Dec 17, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
there is no north-south divide to speak off... whatever remains will die with the blind messiah. And as the bjp expands in south india, this divide will be obliterated. Also Sikhs and Hindus have become brothers. Even Maya's Brahmin-Dalit combo is encouraging in the broader social sense.
RE:Kudos
by Anand sodo on Dec 17, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
We have two possible ways to go - One is to Abuse,Curse and Criticise Europeans,Arabs..... and every other human being on this earth for our MISERIES and the Second is USE OUR SENSES ATLEAST TODAY - and do something instesd of crying and cribbing
Mr. Raghvan, If you don't dare to take any stand then stop writing these confusing and useless articles. There is nothing like absolute moralism in this world, not in India and not anywhere else. In order to control deviations from absolute moralisms, a country needs to have laws,systems, and effective implementations to tackle any such deviations. Police force of 5000 with age old tools cannot control the mob of 5 lakh people. We have systems and laws in place but no implementation and unless and until this problem gets resolved , it is people's mentality to deviate from absolute moralism. In either case, your arguments are useless and bogus. You better stop writing and get into some other profession like joining an NGO.
RE:Mr. Raghvan
by Anand sodo on Dec 17, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
People like Mr raghavan are 'born' when 'Contextual morality' is all that remains with the common citizen of a nation and the cockeyed POLITICIANS successfully TEACH us that our neighbour is the one responsible for all our ILLS(and dont forget the same story has been taught to the neighbour too). We Indians are very OBEDIENT STUDENTS and specially so if the teacher is a real GOON - We will slit our neighbours tongue(for no fault of his) just because 'my stomach is empty - and i have been told that his stomach is full'
RE:Mr. Raghvan
by Pashupati on Dec 17, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
And look at the guy Raghavan(a tamil brahmin) chose to exemplify Indian thought. Another tamil brahmin, ramanugam. These guys are disgustingly clanish.
RE:DEAR SRINIVASA RAGHAVAN
by Anand sodo on Dec 17, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Any one and every one DALIT or NONDALIT will be treated like a dog so long as they fight each other like dogs - THE BASIC FACT IS - Our Politicians cook one chapati where five are needed - The net result is "EVERY ONE IS FIGHTING THE OTHER - INSTEAD OF QUESTIONING THE POLITICIAN" "IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND ASK THEIR SO CALLED LEADERS WHAT ARE THEY DOING IF THEY CANNOT EVEN GIVE US THE BASICS OF LIFE? AND PLEASE FOR GODS SAKE STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER
RE:DEAR SRINIVASA RAGHAVAN
by r patil on Dec 17, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
The state which has most of Dalits in high post and politics is Maharastra the birth place of Dr Ambedkar,without any justice party.Tamil nadu is worst in regarding this statics.Hatee Tamil Braahmins is only mantra to get you some where in tamil nadu.Lol and you guys complain about hindus hating muslims.
RE:The right word to describe Indians is: Dhimmi
by Abhishek Banerjee on Dec 17, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
actually i think indians have the right attitude. That is what enabled Indians to maintain a basic minimum level of civilization despite 1000 years of barbaric Islamo-fascist rule. Indians worked around the bloodthirsty cannibals and kept their national spirit alive. If we had adopted the Western mentality of confronting the darkness of Islam head on, there would have been no India left. Imagine our beautiful nation turned into terrorist country
RE:RE:RE:The right word to describe Indians is: Dhimmi
by Abhishek Banerjee on Dec 17, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
I dont know... actually I am rather pessimistic about the outcome of the battle against Islam.
RE:The right word to describe Indians is: Dhimmi
by mahendra sapa on Dec 17, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Just for the argument sake...On the contrary imagine if United Hindus had confronted Mughals. These riots would never have happened and Bharat's western border might be stretched till within A'tan.
It's better to talk about practical solutions. In my opinion following changes could lead to lasting peace: 1. Declare India a Hindu state. This, initially could lead to minor hick-up, but 'll eventually pave the way for lasting peace. Because Hindus 'll feel secure in their only motherland, people 'll have ALL around devt., and there won't be any need for riots. 2. Break J&K into 3 parts. Let article 370 (temporarily) applicable to Kashmir only. Take out military of Kashmir and put it on it's border to ensure that trouble does not spill out of Kashmir. 3. Educate Kashmiris that if they become part of Pak, they would face discrimination. Because for Pak Govt, only Punjab is Pak and rest of the area does not count. Hope better sense prevail and gradually remove article 370. 3. Check inflitration on B'desh border, issue shoot-at-site order, remove all illegal people (use chinese methods). 4. Listen to NE's local people concern, provide them all round devt. Hopefully this will reduce terrrorism in NE.
Critical point is doe some analysis, develop a plan and start implementing in small phases.
this is a thought provoking article. Do not misinterpret the line "Westerners focus on moral absolutes" as saying that the Westerners do the "right" thing all the time. What it actually means is that the West does have a tendency to have a yes or no answer to everything: abortion is either OK right upto birth, or they will even ban contraception! Either you allow blacks to say whatever they want or you turn them into slaves. This is the kind of attitude the West has. Either you legalize cocaine and prostitution (Holland) or you write "In God we trust" right on the currency (USA). In contrast, Indians have a more pragmatic attitude and they understand that things have some natural boundaries and these boundaries, much like those of continents shift slowly over time.
RE:Still don't understand
by ag on Dec 17, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
do not apply this article to just our political beliefs or just modi! then u'll understand!
RE:muslims in majority
by Abhishek Banerjee on Dec 17, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
I will back you on this one. Imagine what would have happened if we had more of these savages inside our borders. 150 million cannibals is enough
RE:muslims in majority
by on Dec 17, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
"Muslims in majority" - a big joke. muslims have only a % of 13-15% population in india.and most of them live cities. wherein the rural muslim population has almost vanished. Infact even with illusive high fertility muslims cannot increase population. because the avg marrying age among muslims-is nearing 30's because of low incomes and leading to delayed financial stability unlike hindus. and the life expectancy is to low in case of muslims. Adverse media and general impression abt muslims has halted conversion and infact many muslims have turned just born/namesake muslims. Muslims not only lack numbers but also leaders. So muslims are far from posing any challenge to any one in india.
