"Kandhamal is part of the erstwhile undivided district of Phulbani; it was carved into a separate district on 1 April 1994. It derives its name from the Kandh (Kondha) tribes who dominate the area, comprising approximately 51.96% of the 6.5 lakh population of the district. Kandhs are Hindus and enjoy Scheduled Tribe status. The other community with a significant local presence is the Panas, a Scheduled Caste, who constitute about 16.89% of the district population. The Panas are overwhelmingly Christian and are educationally, economically and politically more advanced. They were the prime targets of the pioneering Christian missionaries who settled in Katingia village of Daringibadi block of Kandhamal in 1883. The Kandh tribe led by Chakara Bisoi, Dohara Bisoi, Dina Kondh and Lochana Kondh valiantly fought the British in 1857, and it was only in 1884 that the British finally managed to subdue this region with the help of converted Panas from present-day Ganjam and Nayagarh districts bordering Kandhamal."
So basically converted xtians in Kandhamal were traitors. And it is no wonder the present day xtians aren't any different. Hence it is in the interest of India to keep in leash the xtian traitors.
Correct me if the Bible is wrong, but didn't Jesus send his people out to be his witnesses to the world (See Acts 1:8), not his converts. Only he (Jesus, through the Holy Spirit) can do the 'converting'because he did the choosing! (see Ephesians 1:4-9) But, he did send his people out, so the church (sinners saved by God's grace) have a purpose in preaching the good news and loving others as if they were their own. They get it wrong, and I am not in any way condoning the deception mentioned in the Rediff interviews - on the contrary, it grieves me. However, Christ has sent his people to serve, proclaim his death and resurrection and disciple believers.
It is true that some are 'converted' through wordly means, but this is not true conversion. Once again, we won't know whether others are truly converted until God brings '...all things in heaven and earth together under one head, even Christ.' Ephesians 1:10
Dalits may come to know Christ, or they may come to know acceptance. What will show their true conversion, is when they come to know Christ's acceptance. If someone changes allegiances (from a religion to Christianity)then that is their choice, and paradoxically, also God's.
Re: Jesus sent us to convert?
by P Ramanathan on Jan 05, 2009 06:25 PM Permalink
Who has a authroity to say conversion is wrong or right in India? Every religon does it.Hinduism engulfs all types of Hindus into one fold.Who has given this authroity to them. We want practice saivism, vainavism, saktism and local deitis as a separat one. However, for political agenda sadhus has changed everyone as one religon as Hinduism. It is totally wrong.
Re: Re: Jesus sent us to convert?
by Born Hindu on Feb 03, 2009 10:19 AM Permalink
Dear Padmanabhan, you are not a hindu since you dont understand hinduism.
Before you utter a word about my religion, wash your mouth , clean your tongue and then learn hinduism and talk.
Dont even utter the words like saivism,vaisnavism(you dont even know the spelling and what it means) you sicken me.
Conversion of a person is not physical ...it is moral.....You like something u accept....u do not like something u denounce it.....Mans right to srvive ....no ne can name it as religion....it is personal mental choice.!!!
It is foolish to kill such people in the guise of religious fanaticism....Religious fanaticism is inhuman and beastly.
Read this passage from 'The Complete Book Church Growth[ETowns]' I caught on one of the Ministries official website. This is what Church means by 'Soul Winning Evangelism'.
"Ortiz (a charismatic), speaks to pastors about this issue when he deals with the misplacement of the believer. Each believer needs to know his place in the body. Most church congregations are not a spiritual building, but a mountain of bricks. There is a difference. However good the materials may be, if they are not situated in their right place and correctly related to one another, there is no building.
Each member of the congregation is a brick. The evangelists are continually bringing in new bricks. The pastor encourages this, even teaching classes on soul winning. Bring in more bricks, he urges. But bricks are not a building. Instead of a builder, the pastor now becomes a caretaker of bricks."
Look at the method of bringing in new believers into the Church. This intention of the church is of course a method to convert the new believers. Calculated moves. Clever ways to avoid being termed as 'forcible' conversion even when they impose church views on innocent/ignorant 'believers.'
.....but the Church doesn't. Read this passage from 'The Complete Book Church Growth[ETowns]' I caught on one of the Ministries official website. This is what Church means by 'Soul Winning Evangelism'.
"Ortiz (a charismatic), speaks to pastors about this issue when he deals with the misplacement of the believer. Each believer needs to know his place in the body. Most church congregations are not a spiritual building, but a mountain of bricks. There is a difference. However good the materials may be, if they are not situated in their right place and correctly related to one another, there is no building.
Each member of the congregation is a brick. The evangelists are continually bringing in new bricks. The pastor encourages this, even teaching classes on soul winning. Bring in more bricks, he urges. But bricks are not a building. Instead of a builder, the pastor now becomes a caretaker of bricks."
Look at the method of bringing in new believers into the Church. This intention of the church is of course a method to convert the new believers. Calculated moves. Clever ways to avoid being termed as 'forcible' conversion even when they impose church views on innocent/ignorant 'believers.'
Conversion is changing ones belief in another God and follow the tenets of the religion. No one can force a person to beleive. Money cannot make one beleive. One has to trust. Can money make you trust a new God? Can food make you trust a new God? Let us know our religions well and think if anyone can be forcefully converted? A human being can be forced to eat, work, kill however cannot be forced to trust or believe.
Re: Conversion is a farce
by Born Hindu on Feb 03, 2009 10:21 AM Permalink
Dear JOsh
money can lure people to think differently. Let them f...k themselves,we dont care. But when they talk down on hinduism, it is not acceptable. which ever SOB he is
You can help earthquak vicitms, but dont supply jesus photos to everyone and dont try to construct new churches inside temple n during the rework of buidings.why you didnt help all beggars int he street , ebcause hey wont come with you for the converson works
Do you know that religion has brought this misfortune of divisions that we are prepared to kill each other?
The day religion is promulgated as an inside affair of every citizen ....not exhibited on the raods,and not displayed through religious on public property roads, people will be made to practize it in their homes and hearts. Thats the end of the whole disaster..
The moment we bring it out we will start quarelling like mad dogs.
All religious places should be barricaded and closed and declared as archaeological monuments.....saying these were the gifts of the past generations but misled to destruction .
So they are only to look at and remember that mad beliefs have killed so many muslims......so many christians.......so many Hindus.......so many Budhists...... so many Dalit converts.....so many nuns...... so many priests......."
This the message that can kindle the spirit of ' HUMANITY' THE TRUE ALTERNATIVE TO DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIONS " !!!!!
Ban all drunken dancing on the roads, no blaring mikes and amplifiers in the public places as the places belong to all and no domination of any body in a public place or an office (Hanging of Religious photos of Gods of various religion by the offfice goers in their offices )
There are 10 books in the Rigveda. Ten mandalams. First nine mandalams refers to a God and presents methods of worship as rituals. In the tenth mandalam, besides this Lord Almighty, there is the mention about a man. The first born and only born son of the God. His name is ‘Prajapathy’. Prajapathy, the son of the God comes to this world at the appropriate time. After coming to this world he travels around advising mankind, what is sin and what is not sin; what is to be done and what is not to be done; what is wrong and what is right. To those human beings, who accept his advises and obey his orders, he offers prosperity and peace in this worldly life and salvation at the time of their death. And being the completion of his venture to redeem mankind from sin, he gets sacrificed at the end his specified period on earth. In verse 7 chapter 90 of the 10th book of the Rigveda, the sacrifice of Prajapathy the Son of God, is well explained. ‘At the time of sacrifice, the son of God will be tightly tied to a wooden sacrificial post using iron nails by hands and legs, he will bleed to death and on the third day he will regain his life in a resurrection.” Evidently none of the avatars meets this description. Nor are they expecting another incarnation, which will fit the description and attributes.
Re: why conversion? Search the truth yourself and the truth will
by siddharth on Jan 06, 2009 01:00 AM Permalink
So you know every thing about vedas???? Who gave vedas or who wrote it? Prajapathy never preach religion do you know that... You are saying the same old story like St. Thomas visiting india you poor soul
Re: why conversion? Search the truth yourself and the truth will
by Born Hindu on Feb 03, 2009 10:23 AM Permalink
Dear Murugan, i think your knowledge is not complete. Vedic knowledge is not finite. and Rigveda is not "JUST 10 BOOKS" kindly enlighten yourself
