I am no fan of Modi.... but look this muslim country is doing to Hindus.... Nobody speaks about their plight... When it comes to Modi... they go berserk. Sonia should make noises about it. Oh but it won't get her votes... hence no tears
RE:Look why Malayshia doing to Hindus....
by indian atheist on Dec 09, 2007 08:16 AM Permalink
Hinduism should have been the most followed religion in the world if you see the span if its historical existence. Instead it is now confined to just confined to one country in the whole big world. The reason for this is the myopic vision of the hindu community and its leaders. Only a spiritual revolution can save the values of hinduism survive. All these hate based movements have a very short span when you compare it with the great journey of humanity in different ages. How many people are accepting hindu way of life ? Infact the hindu way of life is lost in history. I know I will get a lot of abuse for my post but that would only help to prove what I want to say.
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by r patil on Dec 09, 2007 08:21 AM Permalink
Please tell us how the hindu countries become islamic.Is it because of virtue of islam ?
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by indian atheist on Dec 09, 2007 08:33 AM Permalink
I dont know much about Islam as a faith but I can tell you that there is no violent history behind the spread of Islam in Malaysia or Indonesia. Thats what I know from reading history. If you have any authentic source then you can share. Infact just yesterday I was reading an article about Malaysia written by B Raman who happens to be a right winger. Even a right winger like him conceded that muslim Malays were proud of their hindu past.
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by Patriot on Dec 09, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
some of the reasons that i can think of why hindu countries took to islam ( and also why some hindus convert to islam ) is as follows a) the ruler converted to islam owing to some compulsion ( defeat) or monetary incentive(assurance of wealth/protection) b) conversion on account of marriage/security c) conversion arising out of a disenchantement with existing gods and rituals /scriptures d)conversion to avail of some incentive like a job, some money or survival in a particular society
the disenchantment with caste system and its misuse is exploited by others to convert people from hinduism ( especially lower caste ) into islam . What the converted do not know at the time of conversion is that the projected truth is not the same as the actual reality of Islam. Islam too is subject to misinterpretations, misuse and is in the tight clutches of its maulvies and mullahs who always take / stick to narrow interpretations to protect their hegemony. But then once into its fold it is not easy to exit out. If all people are giving a freedom of choice to decide what they want to do and what they want to follow then a lot of people would want to opt out of Islam as well.. But then in most countries be it malaysia , indonasia or countries of middle east ( chiefly saudi), the followers are kept in a tight leash thru excessive regulations and restrictions. Let people be given freedom to choose their religion without fear or luring, and then alone one would come to know what pe
RE:Look why Malayshia doing to Hindus....
by indian atheist on Dec 09, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
I agree with most of what you have said. Except the last part. I think there are a large number of muslims living in societies that give a lot of freedom to choose religion. For e.g. if you are living in Canada and you want to convert to Buddhism from Islam or for that matter hinduism from Islam then no one would stop you. So according to you all the muslims living in Canada should have converted by now. But the reality is opposite. The fact is that there has to be a underlying spiritual movement in any religion. For e.g. Christianity , Islam and Judaism have a very strong undercurrent of spiritual movements. That is what is helping these religions to grow. Atleast that what I feel.
RE:Look why Malayshia doing to Hindus....
by Patriot on Dec 09, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
Large following is no indication of the efficacy of any religion. Islam and christianity both have used the sword/violence to spread their religion; not to speak of money power of late. In this material world, money power works.. If hinduism is dwindling it is because of many reasons a) a lot of hindus are lazy, complascent, lethargic and inward focussed b) a lot of hindus have become atheistical and pseudos pursuing the path of ratinoalism and materialism c) a lot of hindus have got waylaid and confused ; and selfishness and individual gratification has taken precedence over the truth
But lack of numbers is not a concern.. there was a time even earlier in history when atheists ruled and atheism, hedonism, materialism thrived.. and this is what Krishna referred to as adharma ; and when the deterioration is at its depths, then arrives a messiah to remedy all that.. and there is a long long way to go before a messiah even realises the need to come to this world and resurrect dharma
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by Srinivasan natesan on Dec 09, 2007 08:52 AM Permalink
If Hinduism is not a religion, let it be so. Let me ask you one thing. Do we ever need religon to live in this world? Do you say that Islam produces equality? Is that the case with Christianity? Is it a fact religions spread because of logic? Buddhism alsp spread to the far east. Is it bacuse of war and fear? Is it the way Islam spread in parts of Europe? If we talk ills of religion, no religion will escape, and why this selective criticim of Hinduism.
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by indian atheist on Dec 09, 2007 09:04 AM Permalink
I am not criticizing hinduism. Maybe I was born in a hindu family that is what makes me talk about hinduism as compared to other religions. My quit hinduism because I find no spirituality left in there. Sorry to offend you. I know you might choose to think otherwise but can you show me one large spiritual movement anywhere in India ? Everything has been highly commercialized. its like people sell gods for their profit.
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by indian atheist on Dec 09, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Your message is a reflection of other religions of the world. All the Abrahamic religions are waiting for Jesus and you are waiting for a messiah. I find no difference. I find this kind of hope is a result of a mind that has conceded that there is no way to create a better society and there will be some magic and some Messiah will come to rescue you. No. What is here is here. You have to accept the concept of social equality and justice to create a better society. Justifying wrong by pointing fingers will only create a more disturbed society that will alienate itself from religion.
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by Patriot on Dec 09, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
NO.. I am not waiting for any messiah. I am a quasi atheist myself . I do not expect God to intervene to solve the mess created by humans. that is the reason I said that there is a long way to go before any messiah comes ( in other words there is no solution in the immediate here and now ) . But I do believe in God. very strongly at that.. I believe god exists and it is upto individuals to help themselves ;
RE:Times of India --- SRK Congress development agnecy.
by Ameet Mehta on Dec 09, 2007 07:50 AM Permalink
Dear Swaraj,
I completely agree. Its a shame that Election commission had not given notice to Congress and Sonia Gandhi and went ahead giving notice to Modi and team. Moreover Times of India is acting as an agent of Congress. You may be right that why TATA's dont deal with Times. Even now they have not improved. They seem to be sold out to Congress and NCP's Sharad Pawar