I think you should reduce the length of your SOS call. Such a long list of complaints, one would need Tylenol to read all of it. If you keep grinning like this, god forbid you might fall into depression. Just a friendly warning...
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Rakesh Mehta on Dec 07, 2007 03:42 AM Permalink
"Physopath?"
Pray explain meaning my dear Ali. Interestingly enoug, if you read his speeches of the past few months, they all relate to development of Gujarat, which incidentally, is stellar, and to the consternation of the English media (Rediff being the self-styled torchbearer of this rhetoric, I might add); case in point being Modi's interview with the overtly constipated Karan Thapar. Incidentally (using the word again), why do YOU, ALibhai, equate Sohrabuddin's murder to Muslim-bashing? I don't think Modi's point was that he is a Muslim. Modi's point was Sohrab was allegedly a terrorist. In fact, I see that YOU, Alibhai, are establishing the connection. In that case, are YOU Alibhai, communal, or is Modi? Don't tell me that terroist bashing is Muslim bashing because I do not subscribe to that notion of equating the two. Maybe, you do. In which case, please realize that India is a secular country.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 03:49 AM Permalink
Don't try to twist the facts, every Indian citizen has fundamental rights. Who is Modi to judge, sentence and execute a person? Is it jungle law? If a person has committed a crime then let the law and order take it own course.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Rakesh Mehta on Dec 07, 2007 03:58 AM Permalink
I did not twist facts. I called attention to your communal attitude. Second, please show where Modi "judged" or "sentence" anyone? As you yourself have said, every Indian (and not Pakistani, and not Saudi Arabian, and not Iranian and not what not) citizen has fundamental rights. As you very well know, Modi, too, has fundamental rights. One of the fundamental rights is to express your opinion, which is under the Freedom of Speech and Expression (I am not going to quote the exact article in the Constitution for you; that can easily be done by Googling). And he expressed his opinion. The crowd expressed their opinion. And you did not like their opinion. So, alibhai, you made a communal statement equating a particular religion (the minority) to terrorism. And now you are saying Modi "judged" and "sentenced" someone? Do not use these terms loosely to suit your logic.
As you can see, hit and run strategy (making allegations and running away) does not always work. You can get a fitting response sometimes. Don't think that sab idiots bathe huey hai India mein.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
Good to have some logical conversation, when I used the phrase - judge/sentence/execute, it meant who gave Modi the right to justify the killing in cold blood (regardless of who the person is), Modi is NOT THE LAW. With regards to freedom of expression you deny a citizen his fundamental right and want freedom for Modi to speak - what a hypocrisy? Sometimes freedom of speech crosses the line and this time it did - instigating the people and inciting them.
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
What mullas do in madrasas is not INSTIGATING the people and INCITING them right? How come you are just after one point? You are looking at the branches of the criminal tree and not its root. You really need to grow up to have some kind of a debate.
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Nilesh on Dec 07, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
You can switch between constitional and unofficial, why cant Modi ? If you talk constitution, then go to court, prove he' guilty. If you're in people's court, everyone knows what Sohrabuddin was.
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Rakesh Mehta on Dec 07, 2007 04:25 AM Permalink
I did not want to but feel compelled. I promise this is last. Modi is not the law. I agree. So does Modi. That is why the case is in the Supreme Court. To compare, look at our neighbor Pakistan, where Musharraf is the law (susped the CJ, lock up opposiiton, etc.). Also, your logic indicates that because Sohrab was killed in cold bllod, Modi should not be allowed to speak, i.e., his fundamental rights should be appropriated. That is patently a nonsensical position; I have found idiots liike Praful Bidwai supporting it, but no one else. You say the freedom of speech crossed the line; and he incited people and instigated them. I am not aware of one incident/crime in Mangrol that relates to this so called incitement. He just expressed his opinion. I am sure, you have expressed such opinions about criminals. In fact, the whole debate of capital punishment is jsut that--expressing your opinion about taking someone else's life.
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
What about Afzal Guru? The supreme court has given his verdict so why don't the congress gov hang him as per the orders. Do you wnat to do some congress bashing as well or NOT?
RE:RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
I just dont get this - why are ordinary Muslims being held accountable if the central government fails to execute Afzal guru.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 03:57 AM Permalink
no one is holding ordinary muslims accountable. You are the one who is crying out loud and that just against one injustice. You have to cry out loud for each and every injustice. You don't seem to do that.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 03:59 AM Permalink
CHange the topic from "Modi is a disease" to "Fundamentalism and politics are a disease" and I would say that you are fighting for the right cause. But you won't do that, would you? Do you think people here are fools not to see your agenda.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 03:35 AM Permalink
To talk more sense into it, regardless of who the person is there is something call the law and order and the judicial system/process should take its own course. It is not a jungle law and by the way who decides who a terrorist is, if you ask me Modi is the biggest terrorist.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 03:45 AM Permalink
For some rason I expected you to be more mature than that. It is not about being Muslim, every person as per the law gets a constitutional right. If the person is guilty punish him no one is stopping, but justifying the cold blooded murder?
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Nilesh on Dec 07, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
Look if you're talking, go to court and prove Mr. Modi wrong, cool ? And if you're talking frank - then accept that Sohrabudin was a terrorist and deserved to die. See the messages on this forum - Everyone is glad that he died !
RE:RE:Modi is a disease
by Srikanth on Dec 07, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
True. There is something called Law of the land which we need to adhere to. I think the forum has been divded based on the affiliation and not on their wise thoughts mostly.Please give respect to others. I would ask Ththa, then why they admit that it is fake.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Ali on Dec 07, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
Here you go on, you are a marketing machine for Modi. Just think for a minute and take the bias out of your mind, do you what is happening here is right? Do you expect a CM to defend fake encounters?
RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 03:51 AM Permalink
Mr. Ali, Do you cry out loud when innocent people were killed under this very LAW in Mumbai, Kashmir and elsewhere. You hipocryt just talk out loud when you muslims are hurt.
RE:Modi is a disease
by Indian on Dec 07, 2007 03:56 AM Permalink
can't everyone seen the bias in your statements. You are just opposing modi for not holding the LAW upright but just ignore the others who have'nt done so. If you wnat to do some bashing, do modi, congress, president everyone's bashing. Not one person alone.
I lived in Vadodara and studied during the congress rule from 1980 to 1990.
I recall my school remaining closed every year for 20-30 days, due to riots. Since 1990, only thrice has the school closed due to riots. BJP rule ( Including Keshubhai/Chabildas/Suresh Mehta )ensured that Muslims started paying taxes, utility bills, constructive activities to support themselves rather than depending on govenrment, and most importantly..KNOWING that someone will give take punitive action ( notably the police - TADA, PASA etc ), if they indulged in antisocial or antinational activities.
This approach helped the resources to be diverted to progressive means, and a positivity was generated. Except ENGLISH MEDIA ( notably all the SHEELA BHATTS/ RAJDEEPS SARADESAIS/ PRONOY ROYS ) and some no work NGOS ( ACHYUT YAGNIKS / MEDHA PATKARS / TEESTA SETALWADS ), nobody in Gujarat cares about the GUJARAT RIOTS !!
I believe, that Modi will lose this electiond primarily, due to the number of enemies he has created during his tenure..He made the farmers pay taxes and high Electr. bills ( Guj. is the first state to tell farmers to pay bills )..He reduced GOVT employee leaves to 12 a year...He did not remove OCTROI despite pressure..He sidelines all ministers who were non performers/ show stoppers....He made teachers work during vacations...
In longterm , his steps are good, but that has alienated him from a large segment of voters.
English media will term this as a HINDUTVA defeat!!!
So now, Sheelaji, you are complaining that Modi is NOT a Hindutva ideologue? I.e., he should be and he is not? In other words, you have been attacking him as a Hindutva ideologue, but now you claim, he is not. So wasn't your attack wrong? Also, if you complain it is wrong for Modi to NOT be an HI, then should you not also complain about your fake attacks?
I suspect you are preparing Congress' grounds for losing the election.
RE:ITS THOSE CONGRESS FOLKS WHO JOINED BRITISH ARMY LATER SAVED KASHMIR WHEN IT WAS INVADED BY MUSLIMS.
by Moderator on Dec 07, 2007 02:28 AM Permalink
Don't post comments here from some weblinks which are manipulated.
RE:ITS THOSE CONGRESS FOLKS WHO JOINED BRITISH ARMY LATER SAVED KASHMIR WHEN IT WAS INVADED BY MUSLIMS.
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Dec 07, 2007 02:30 AM Permalink
hehe..I write in my own words, after reading all sides.
RE:ITS THOSE CONGRESS FOLKS WHO JOINED BRITISH ARMY LATER SAVED KASHMIR WHEN IT WAS INVADED BY MUSLIMS.
by Roger Binny on Dec 07, 2007 02:32 AM Permalink
shut the f,,,up coooooollllllliiiiieeeeee.
