The left is opposing this deal only on ideological grounds - the left is anti US. They are opposing not because the deal could harm India's long term interest.Their decision is not based on what is good or bad for India but based on what is good for their party's survival. So in short comies are selfish towards their ideology even at the cost of India's benefit. The lalus and Pawars and others in the coalition are not with Manmohansingh because they do not have the guts to face an early election now ( in case commies pull the govt down). These coalition partners are selfish too like commies- selfish and greedy for power. Certainly India's interests are not included in their decision making process ( I am neither saying nuclear deal is beneficial for India nor I am against it for the reason that I do not know exact implication of this deal - some of which would become clear only after it is and if it is implemented). I am more concerned about the decision making process of the coalition partners in UPA. None of them have India's interest in mind - though they are taking great pains to make it seem as if they have only India's interest on mind. As for BJP - their opinion and stand does not matter..
Why are we complicating the simple matter? You want to show and prove that u are Nuclear power. Accepted. What next? Tell me just one point: you want government to continue with Nuclear energy, coal and fossil fuel OR WANT TO COME UP WITH SOLAR, WIND AND BIOMASS energy? You want to kill the humanity or save it by adopting green energy? Remember, if we don't adopt renewable sources of energy now, our children will never forgive us. For our kind information. Google has collaborated with Nanosolar for implemenmting the idea of Solar power and making it a ground reality. So are we progressive people or the one who will think of Solar and wind energy in 2040? Indians, Be OPTIMISTIC and show the mirror to the whole world.
RE:Google collaborates with Nanosolar for making Solar energy a GROUND REALITY, And INDIA is still sleeping
by Attatar Yena on Dec 06, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
Dude this deal is not about nuclear energy only!
India needs this deal badly because
- India does not have enough stock pile of nuclear fuel to fully utilize its nuclear program ( experimental research and power generation). - India does not have enough nuclear fuel to create more A bombs - which has a major implication for deterrance doctrine against China and Pakistan. - If we dont do anything now ( read as augmenting our nuclear stockpile) we will be left behind as Pakis and China will substantailly increase theirs. This nuclear deal will provide us with extra stock pile to generate energy while we free up our stock pile currently used for energy generation and divert it to making A bombs. This is the most important aspect of the deal - It helps us to make more A bombs. Now whether we need to do further testing or not is certainly not a political decision to made by our esteemed and knowledgeable politicians. I would love to hear what our scientists have to say on teh need for further testing.
1) FBR >> It will be downstream of Phase I of Nuclear Fuel cycle. It will recieve all important Plotunium, so IAEA Material balance has to look at it , what is the problem.
2)There is nothing in the 123 which says that India can switch the reactors.>>> If 123 is silent on it than again why do you want Indo / US deal to say someting explicit on it. Enjoy the silence. 3) You are wrong. If restrictions are to be lifted, they have to be lifted by NSG but here we are going to IAEA first before getting the NSG approval. NSG will talk to us only if we have worked out a scenario and understanding on Inspections. I do not understand what is your problem
4a) Deal does NOT permit full civilian cooperation. Cooperation only some "aspects" of the fuel cycle will be done. Please read "Article 2d" of 123. >>> Because we do not want too much interference , we want Finished product / Raw material / waste etc to be material balanced ( How much Electricity we produce / How we use intermediates / How we reprocess ) is all our problem or so to say our technology. Again it is good for us, what is your problem here.
4b) You are assuming a lot of things. What I am saying is this deal does NOT say that sanctions are irreversible.
4c) This is mentioned in Hyde Act. Opposition made hue and cry to which PM made that statement, check out the Lok Sabha site for his exact statement
When we should be debating the ISI links for terrorists in North-East and influx of Bangladeshis in India ,these Headless chickens avoid all debate and stage a Walkout .So in affect what they are saying is -tolerate Bangladeshis & ISI but no alliance with USA .
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by Jayaprakash K on Dec 05, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Nothing going to happend! there will be sanction imposed on us. But after 2/3 years everything will be lifted.
This is reply to MSAT and Jayaprakash who responded to my comment below.
1) If separation is "voluntarily", then why did Burns claim on 27th July, 2007 that all "future FBRs" will be under safeguards. So far I have not heard anything from Indian govt. refuting Burns' statement.
2)There is nothing in the 123 which says that India can switch the reactors. If you think otherwise, please copy the "inbuilt" article. Read "Article 14-1" of 123 for further clarification. It says, "India is supposed to maintain the reactors under safeguards as long as they are under India's jurisdiction", which means we can't shift reactors from civilian to military side and vice versa. Moreover, India is NOT recognized as a NWS either in 123 or in Hyde or any joint press statement, if you think otherwise, please produce such a statement.
3) You are wrong. If restrictions are to be lifted, they have to be lifted by NSG but here we are going to IAEA first before getting the NSG approval.
4a) Deal does NOT permit full civilian cooperation. Cooperation only some "aspects" of the fuel cycle will be done. Please read "Article 2d" of 123.
4b) You are assuming a lot of things. What I am saying is this deal does NOT say that sanctions are irreversible.
4c) This is mentioned in Hyde Act. Opposition made hue and cry to which PM made that statement, check out the Lok Sabha site for his exact statement.
This deal is not only about energy generation --India needs this deal badly because
- India does not have enough stock pile of nuclear fuel to fully utilize its nuclear program ( experimental research and power generation). - India does not have enough nuclear fuel to create more A bombs - which has a major implication for deterrance doctrine against China and Pakistan. - If we dont do anything now ( read as augmenting our nuclear stockpile) we will be left behind as Pakis and China will substantailly increase theirs. This nuclear deal will provide us with extra stock pile to generate energy while we free up our stock pile currently used for energy generation and divert it to making A bombs. This is the most important aspect of the deal - It helps us to make more A bombs. Now whether we need to do further testing or not is certainly not a political decision to made by our esteemed and knowledgeable politicians. I would love to hear what our scientists have to say on teh need for further testing.
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by ASHOK on Dec 05, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Nitin >> it seems you are not much involved in practical aspect of a deal or contract.
Do not look at the whole thing as Binary 0 & 1 ( True false)
Despite Sanctions we are going ahead with 2 russian Reactors ( KUDANKULAM) because we worked out a loophole.
Similarly how we will acquire Nuclear submarine as we once again worked out a loop hole.
Same is the case here, Both India / Russia and India /France knows how to exploit loopholes.
But in case we remain too rigid and want it strictly ( True / false) we will always stumble and remain without Nuclear Fuel ( which is main concern)
Rest with 250 Billion $ Reserves, once or IF deal is ever through, there are enough US companies to lobby for India. They wont like to loose bussiness.
I have walked in and out of many Billion $ oil exploration / production deals. i know it was also a good deal but for Stiff necked or headless chickens.
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by Jayaprakash K on Dec 05, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
May be you are right!. As far as now a days situation is concered development is first. suppose you propose wind energy/indegenous n-program/what ever may be you suggest will atleast take another 50 years that's too not sure whether succeed or not. So what I am feeling is grab whatever knowhow from know is the best for this China is a role model.
Its not the matter of Dr.Singh bad/congress bad. Its best for our country/development, without energy nothing, passing comments like this is only because of energy, once stoped we all are become "Zero". Each and every planning for their financial freedom/security for tomorrow, like wise it is most important to think for energy security/development for our country. If you are holding 200-1000 N-Bombs that will not feed "Dal Roti" it means not ignoring security, right now we have sufficient number of n-bombs for our security to handle Pak. Once we become a Developed country whole world will "Salute India" that everyone should mind it.
I do not understand why these waste items are dumped in our Parliament. These creatures have been trying their best to delete the word "unparliamentarian" from the dictionery by using such type of language regularly. When they make a law for 'No work No Pay' and cut payment for others for idle hours, how do they draw their salary for not only evading their work, but also for not allowing others to work. These creatures are seated there only to spoil the atmosphere and ruin the nation which has to find out some remedy to throw away them into a dustbin somewhere outside the Parliament.
