See the broken heart of a poor father. He is religious. So he sent his children to religious motivated school. Unfortunately that school must have had fanatic people who thinks that what they think only is right and anyone who does not think in their same way must DIE. This child got spoiled and became an enemy of humanity. It is not a joke to let a father allowing his son to be sacrificed for the cause of humanity (human peace in our India). Bravo to this father !!!.
RE:sacrifice
by Vasanth Srinivas on Aug 31, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
This is absolute nuts..!!! A person who can't even earn properly has 11 children...!!! This is absolute madness. Not only for a muslim, but for any person, to rise all the 11 children in a good way is impossible. That too, he has sent his sons to madarasas. His son's acts are all becoz of his madness & mistake.
RE:Can any other religion come close to Hinduism?
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 02:22 AM Permalink
g) The science of Architecture (Mohenjodaro and Harrapa). Temples with DOMES were a device to converge sound energy to its epicenter. If one sits at the epicenter inside a temple one can use sound resonance which can be used to control MInd.
i) The science of Astrology (Since Universe as a whole is one vibrating entity, studying the effects of constalation and predicting the health of Humans is an ancient art).
j) The science of Astronomy (The sky at night is representation of PAST and the PRESENT).
k) The Science of Sex (Kamasutra)
l) Vedanta is the scientific thought of becoming GOD. (Truth is beyound duality. When Day and night disappear that's where truth starts)
m) Mahabharata/Ramayana are epics for people with lesser IQ .
n) The Science of language (Pali and Sanskrit are the First attempt at symobols for meaning)
o) Gita is an attempt to describe NON-DUALTIY OF NATURE. (When Day/Night Good/Bad dissolves into Non-Duality that's when the realization of GOD starts happening).
RE:Can any other religion come close to Hinduism?
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:30 AM Permalink
Thats right...It talks about humans becoming GOD...that is because it is a MAN MADE RELIGION !!!
It is this same democratic spirit of Islam that emancipated women from the bondage of man. Sir Charles Edward Archibald Hamilton says "Islam teaches the inherent sinlessness of man. It teaches that man and woman and woman have come from the same essence, posses the same soul and have been equipped with equal capabilities for intellectual, spiritual and moral attainments." The Arabs had a very strong tradition that one who can smite with the spear and can wield the sword would inherit. But Islam came as the defender of the weaker sex and entitled women to share the inheritance of their parents. It gave women, centuries ago right of owning property, yet it was only 12 centuries later , in 1881, that England, supposed to be the cradle of democracy adopted this institution of Islam and the act was called "the married woman act", but centuries earlier, the Prophet of Islam had proclaimed that "Woman are twin halves of men. The rights of women are sacred. See that women maintained rights granted to them."
Mohammed The Prophet By Prof. K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, Head of the Department of Philosophy, Government College for Women University of Mysore, Mandya-571401 (Karnatika).Re-printed from "Islam and Modern age",
RE:ISlam
by mujju mujju on Aug 31, 2007 04:23 AM Permalink
friends Prof. K. S. Ramakrishna Rao was , Head of the Department of Philosophy, Government College for Women University of Mysore, Mandya-571401 (Karnataka) In 1978 he Published the Book Islam and Modern age.
He might b in his 80's or his soul might b resting in peace If it is so May God allmighty May bless his soul.
RE:41 runs...60 Balls 3 wickets...come on India....
by Very Amused on Aug 31, 2007 02:18 AM Permalink
Imran..
I am amazed. One patriotic muslim loving & defending his religion, who sees no reason to abuse other religions pitted against many others who claim patriotism by abusing other religions, in effect wroking towards division of society !!
A visible irony here !! I can see it. Good luck here dude !!
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
By not agreeing to something even just for the sake of saying you prove exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. You will never evolve beyond your teachings., Even if all the Humanity travels to Mars or moon there also you will point in the direction of Eart 'Cos that where Mecca is right?
If Hindus can love Sher O Shayari why can't the Muslims sing Vande Mataram. That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. Your Islamic teaching doesn't allow you to experiment. It doesn't allow you any freedom for any thought process and this halts the evolution of a Muslim mind..
Why R U blindly follwing any teachings? In Hinduism we have freedom to criticize and even correct any Hindu intepretations? When can this happen in Islam?
Why are U blindly following Allah? If U agree that this Universe is the reflection of GOD then U are stupid to beleive that this GOD or nature is forzen as a book written by your Allah. Look around this Earth and Universe is chaging evey second. How can something 1400 years ago could be true today.. Stop follwoing any Koran or any teachings. They are in their times. The Universe (which is a reflection of GOD) has changed in a million ways by now..
RE:RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:16 AM Permalink
What is the significance of VANDE MATARAM with respect to PATRIOTISM ???
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by naresh kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 02:47 AM Permalink
VANDE MATARAM means we belong to a single mother, that is why it is mandatory,if any doubt please go back to the history,how your fore fathers mothers and sisters were tortured to get converted into ISLAM, no matter if you are fallowing ISLAM but you belong to one Mother that is INDIA hence Vande Mataram Mother India,
RE:RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 03:43 AM Permalink
Naresh, I have one Mother, the one that gave birth to me. India is my birthplace.
Why can I not make that distinction ???
Tomorrow someone will say that lets call it Father instead of Mother...
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 03:50 AM Permalink
So does a person from Pakistan/Bangladesh/Nepal/Burma/greater India sing "Vande Mataram"...
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by Vishal bharadwaj on Aug 31, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
sometimes it is necessary to sing a song which was the bloodline of our freedom fighters, to reinstate the same spirit, yes by knowing the meaning and magnitude of the song , i think it will surely make one patriotic by singing it, mainly children who by their age and maturity learn more by singing
RE:RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by on Aug 31, 2007 04:08 AM Permalink
About your comment about quran "How can something 1400 years ago could be true today"... I don't comment about a book without knowing the content... Please try to read about Professor Moore and about his sayings about quran. He was so amazed at the accuracy of the descriptions and the terminology used for the various stages of the development of the embryo that he modified his own textbook on the subject. He incorporated all the relevant Qur%u2019anic passages and authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad into his book, The Developing Human: Clinically oriented embryology with Islamic additions, which was published by WB Saunders in 1987 and was a standard university textbook in the United States. The book now contains passages of the Qur%u2019an and the Hadeeth (verified statements of the Prophet Muhammad) for every stage of development and Professor Moore has also adopted the classification used in the above two sources.
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by Sadaf Kapoor on Aug 31, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
WHy did the maulvis gave the stupid fatwa that IMrana who was raped by father-in-law has to treat her husband as son and her father-in-law as husband... Gudia was married to a guy when her 1st husband was missing ..when he came back she had to ditch him and again go back to her 1st hubby that too when she had got kids with 2nd hubby???h
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:15 AM Permalink
The Maulvies were dead wrong. PERIOD !!!
In my humble opinion... In the case of Imrana, the Father-in-Law must be tried and punished for RAPE.
In the case of Gudia, she should have got the divorce before getting married again. Given the fact that it did not happen, she should have a divorse later.
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by Sadaf Kapoor on Aug 31, 2007 02:18 AM Permalink
But recently in a tv report --It was shown that Imrana is still treated badly by the whole village...Most of the villagers consider maulviii to be correct and wanna go by that
RE:RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by Sadaf Kapoor on Aug 31, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
So you admit muslims are largely ignorant bcoz no hindu even the most uneducated and poor ones think sati was good...they condemn it ...
RE:Stop malpractices and fatwas
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:22 AM Permalink
Should I blame the Hindu faith for SATI...Absolutely No. The society was ignorant. Customs superseded religious values.
Same thing in the village. These are ignorant people who cannot read or write and are following a half knowledge Maulvi...
RE:The paradox called Islam........
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 02:13 AM Permalink
n one place alcohol was forbidden; in another it was allowed(compare Surah 5:90%u201391 with Surah 47:15). In one place it says Christians are very good people who love and worship one God, so you may be friends with them (Surah 2:62, 3:113%u2013114). Then you find other verses that say Christians must convert, pay tax or be killed by the sword (Surah 9:29 ). The scholars had theological solutions to these problems, but I wondered how Allah, almighty and all powerful, could either contradict himself so much or change his mind so much.
Even the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, practiced his faith in ways that contradicted the Quran. The Quran said Muhammad was sent to show the mercy of God to the world. But he became a military dictator, attacking, killing and taking plunder to finance his empire. How is that showing mercy? Allah, the god revealed in the Quran, is not a loving father. It says that he desires to lead people astray (Surah 6:39 , 126). He does not help those who are led astray by him (Surah 30:29) and desires to use them to populate hell (Surah 32:13).
Islam is full of discrimination%u2014against women, against non-Muslims, against Christians and most especially against Jews. Hatred is built in to the religion.
The history of Islam, can only be characterized as a river of blood
RE:The paradox called Islam........
by on Aug 31, 2007 04:06 AM Permalink
About your comment about quran "How can something 1400 years ago could be true today"... I don't comment about a book without knowing the content... Please try to read about Professor Moore and about his sayings about quran. He was so amazed at the accuracy of the descriptions and the terminology used for the various stages of the development of the embryo that he modified his own textbook on the subject. He incorporated all the relevant Qur%u2019anic passages and authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad into his book, The Developing Human: Clinically oriented embryology with Islamic additions, which was published by WB Saunders in 1987 and was a standard university textbook in the United States. The book now contains passages of the Qur%u2019an and the Hadeeth (verified statements of the Prophet Muhammad) for every stage of development and Professor Moore has also adopted the classification used in the above two sources.
RE:The paradox called Islam........
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:28 AM Permalink
Thats why we stress that you need to read and understand the context and circumstances under which it was delivered to the prophet (PBUH).
Even with Alcohol, Allah made prohibited it gradually...So that it was easier for the society to adjust.
One more suggestion...on the topic of reservation we need a plan to get rid of it in phases...reducing of 20% every 5 years or a reduction of 4-5 % every year...so that after 20-25 years there is no reservation.
RE:The paradox called Islam........
by naresh kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 03:01 AM Permalink
PBUH sal ilah waleho wasullum,'s teaching's / Preaching's are dated back to 1400 years ago ( please beg your pardon Muslim and Islam are two different entities ( this information is for the non muslims,)muslims exsisted 2000 years ie 600 years before Mohammed "PAIGAMBER" (PBHU) Proposed the teory of KAFIRS, As per the ORIGINAL KURAN, Which was burnt at ETHOPIA,and the Original purpoters of Islam had to run to SUDAN and re organize themselves to bring back the theory of ISLAM, has been CORRUPTED by the Basic Principles. ( please note the original script had no verses and no clauses,it spoke only contemporary truth and facts, 1400 and years back, while there was no OIL )If some one considers that the Oil is Gift of Allah, please bear in MIND, there are areas un dis closed and un declared in this world having more Oil than Saudia,Iraq,and rest of the Gulf.
Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."
RE:Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 31, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
(source: Hinduism - By A. C. Bouquet p. 13).
Compared to Islam and Christianity, Hinduism%u2019s doctrines are extraordinarily fluid, and multiform. India deals in images and metaphors. Restless, subtle and argumentative as Hindu thought is, it is less prone than European theology to the vice of distorting transcendental ideas by too stringent definition. It adumbrates the indescribable by metaphors and figures. It is not afraid of inconsistencies which may illustrate different aspects of the infinite, but it rarely tries to cramp the divine within the limits of a logical phrase.
RE:Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
Read the conflict of a Muslim in his religion - no abuse only facts and logic
Please sing it for me only once.. Please Please sing it.. Prove me that you are not afraid of anything.. Please prove that sometimes a Muslim can keep his idealogy aside SAME AS HINDUS DID WHEN THEY ACCEPETED A MUSLIM PRESIDENT. If we show solidarity then we expect sometihing in return.
By signing Vande Mataram proves us that India is above Islam...
Otherwise Hindus will have to be fanatics to the level of Muslism.. No choice left..
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
Hindus and Muslims please start paying taxes and stop taking bribes...
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by Bhuddha on Aug 31, 2007 02:05 AM Permalink
Even Advani took it easy on muslims for singing vande mataram: http://in.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/21vande.htm
"Advani against 'mandatory' singing of Vande Matram"
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
What has singing "Vande Mataram" got to do with patritism ??? Please explain...Come out of this shallow and narrow minded thinking...
India not doing well...need 3 more wickets...Come one India...
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 02:15 AM Permalink
By not agreeing to something even just for the sake of saying you prove exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. You will never evolve beyond your teachings., Even if all the Humanity travels to Mars or moon there also you will point in the direction of Eart 'Cos that where Mecca is right?
If Hindus can love Sher O Shayari why can't the Muslims sing Vande Mataram. That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. Your Islamic teaching doesn't allow you to experiment. It doesn't allow you any freedom for any thought process and this halts the evolution of a Muslim mind..
Why R U blindly follwing any teachings? In Hinduism we have freedom to criticize and even correct any Hindu intepretations? When can this happen in Islam?
Why are U blindly following Allah? If U agree that this Universe is the reflection of GOD then U are stupid to beleive that this GOD or nature is forzen as a book written by your Allah. Look around this Earth and Universe is chaging evey second. How can something 1400 years ago could be true today.. Stop follwoing any Koran or any teachings. They are in their times. The Universe (which is a reflection of GOD) has changed in a million ways by now..
RE:RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by on Aug 31, 2007 03:31 AM Permalink
About your comment about quran "How can something 1400 years ago could be true today"... I don't comment about a book without knowing the content... Please try to read about Professor Moore and about his sayings about quran. He was so amazed at the accuracy of the descriptions and the terminology used for the various stages of the development of the embryo that he modified his own textbook on the subject. He incorporated all the relevant Qur%u2019anic passages and authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad into his book, The Developing Human: Clinically oriented embryology with Islamic additions, which was published by WB Saunders in 1987 and was a standard university textbook in the United States. The book now contains passages of the Qur%u2019an and the Hadeeth (verified statements of the Prophet Muhammad) for every stage of development and Professor Moore has also adopted the classification used in the above two sources.
RE:RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by mujju mujju on Aug 31, 2007 03:09 AM Permalink
blindly following Allah?
The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur%u2019an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur%u2019an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" [Al-Qur%u2019an 10:92]
Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II%u2019s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur%u2019anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs%u2019 body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.
This verse of the Qur%u2019an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur%u2019an. He lat
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by Bhuddha on Aug 31, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
Imran bhai,
Jaane do yaar raat bahut hogayee ... ye FAKE Bhuddha nai sudhre ga....but continue to report his messages as abuse....since he just copy paste his messages from hate websites.
He should get married and have a family then he can utilize his energy in a better way...
I am sorry for this lost fellow Fake Bhuddha.
But I pray he will surely get on to the right path.
Also, do you know Nathuran used to sing Vande mataram. Verappan used to sing vande mataram. killers of Rajeev or Indira sang vande mataram.
RE:Muslims pleaase sing Vande Mataram
by on Aug 31, 2007 03:18 AM Permalink
We are a human first...So we love and worship our creator first%u2026..everything comes after it%u2026..
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."
RE:Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 31, 2007 01:51 AM Permalink
George Bernard Shaw (Vegitarian) on Hinduism -
"The Indian way of life provides the vision of the natural, real way of life. We veil ourselves with unnatural masks. On the face of India are the tender expressions which carry the mark of the Creators hand. "
In the face of an Indian, you can see the natural glory of life, while we have covered ourselves with an artificial clock.
"The apparent multiplication of gods is bewildering at the first glance, but you soon discover that they are the same GOD. There is always one uttermost God who defies personification. This makes Hinduism the most tolerant religion in the world, because its one transcendent God includes all possible gods. In fact Hinduism is so elastic and so subtle that the most profound Methodist, and crudest idolater, are equally at home with it."
