Our foolish leaders do not realise that borders with Bangladesh should be be made very tight and the illegal immigrants from bangladesh should be thrown out without second thought.Till the time these things would be happening.Leave terrorism so many thefts,burglaries is committed by these illegal immigrants.But these parties like CPM and cong would not support these moves.
RE:@Imran Patel
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
Come on...should we NOT follow the rule of the LAND...
Apply that same principle to a home you buy but not USE it...Is it ok for someone to demolish it as long as no one is killed ?
I am not going to sit here and defend Babar...He was a ruler like any other...who happened to be a Muslim...Just like the politicians today who are making themselves rich..Hindu or Muslim.
I am not saying Muslims are good or Hindus are BAD...I want people to make decisions based on principles rather than some group they are associated with.
To be honest, if the Hindus had requested and proved that The Babri Mosque is the birthplace to King Rama, and if it was not being used, I am open to the idea of donating it and haveing a Mosque built someplace else.
RE:@Imran Patel
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Jews are still living in Lebanon, syria, Iran, Jordan, ...Only in Saudi...because the government there is idiotic.
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
What a joke... If Saudi was truely a Islamic Nation...there should be no FAMILY ruling the country...That is how shallow your knowledge is...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
Again...shows how shallow your thinking is... There is only one Muslim...When we follow Muhammad (PBUH)...he was only a Muslim..Not a Shia nor a Sunni...I am a Muslim. There is nothing after that. That is Islam.
RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
Another example of Shallow knowledge...The message of Allah ended with the life of the Prophet (PBUH)...After that the divisions that were created were political, NOT ISLAMIC.
Muslim believes in Allah and his messenger. PERIOD!!!
Rest what you mentioned was purely political turmoil.
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
In an Islamic Society... - Marriage of a Girl whoes Menstural cycle has started is perfectly fine (In line with the laws of Nature) - Banning ALL trouble makers from Mecca (Muslim or non-muslim). but if some non-Muslim wants to come to learn or study Islam, he/she is most welcome. - Homosexuality will be a crime - Yes. Inheritance of a woman is half that of her brother because the brother is responsible for the parents. But the sister will inherit everything from her Husband who will get a bigger share from his parents...Do the Math. - Men MAY marry more than 1 in Islam under specific conditions ONLY - Beheading is perfectly fine for crime that are that Grave...What do you suggest to the terrorist who bombed in Hyderabad...Should be not be sentenced to death so that people take a lesson from that ???
Zimbabwe...are you read about the "missing" people in zimbabwe..Do u think they went on a vacation somewhere...no my friend..it is political prosecution that goes around in Saudi, Egypt etc..there is nothing islamic about that...
Having said that..Sharia Law is not something that can be enforced..It is something that can be adopted to protect the society from bad things...
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Woman are permitted to work...Another false conclusion...The wife of the prophet was a trader...
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
Today in the majority of the world, there is no reason to have multiple wives...maybe in war torn countries..
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
Again, How did you conclude that all non-muslims are trouble makers...You are so Naive...Feel like I am talking to a 3 year old..Grow up Boy..
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
If you get hold of the Hyderabad blast terrorist, take him out for dinner and be a good "Bhuddist"...I say if we can prove he/she is the culprit, hand them to death.
RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Idiot Veera...Can't you read English or understand it...
My last line said "Having said that..Sharia Law is not something that can be enforced..It is something that can be adopted to protect the society from bad things..."
Indian society is not ready for Sharia law...You don't wear new clothes before you take a shower, do you ?
RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by Raju Dalit on Aug 28, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
Tell me which society is ready for Sharia law. Actually sharia is not a law but an official hegemony to spread the fear of islam.
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Another idiot... Muslim men may marry more than one...It is not SHOULD....
Circumstances such as WAR where there are many widows is an example. Also a Muslim needs to take permission from his wife to do so. Also he must treat them equally (If NOT, then he should marry only ONE)...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
Agree with you...no need to fight. I am just saying that the idea of having multiple wives is justified in certain circunstances. if those circumstances do not exist, there is no need to have multiple wives.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
Veera, Open your mind...WW - I, WW - II...How may people died...Some approximate it to be close to 75 Million...What role did Islam play here ?
RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
To think that woman and men are identical is insane...Woman do NOT fantacize about multiple partners..MEN DO...
Second, it is a man responsibility to provide for his woman and children
Third, a child is known is society by his father...
RE:RE:RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
In heaven a person will get what ever he/she desires for...The idea of 72 virgins is to demonstarte that ALL your desires in Heaven will be fullfilled.
RE:Concept of Muslim Countries...
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
My point is, All these Muslim countries (Sudan, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi, Libya, Kuwait, UAE etc are not "Islamic" countries. These are dictatorships just like Zimbabwe or Burma...
If Indian intelligence-wallahs know the exact locations of these terrorist training centers, why haven't they been neutralized? Or is all this talk of Mufti Hanan's HuJi campuses in B'desh and others like him just all BS, just to make up an interesting story? It's no good always being re-active, because it means the terrorists are always one or two steps ahead. It's to be be pro-active, to take the initiative and go on the offensive and neutralize these filthy terrorist scumbags wherever they lurk.
with so many increasing islamic terrorist attacks around. i feel very furious. if it was foreign muslims attacking its one thing. but i am ashamed that indians are doing it to themselves. what kind of people they are. ok u can try to understand that they had seen something wrong against them happening and thus they have taken this route . but that doesnt solve anything. i would say strict really strick laws- zero tolerance, even any link hang them. there are chances lot of innocent people willbe victim of it as our law enforcement agencies are corrupt themselves. but than innocent people are getting killed in blasts etc alst o. i always represent myselft as a proud indian and than an indian muslim- even if i am a muslim in europe but when i say india i get total respect. but if indian muslims will do such things than its a shame. muslims in india should take steps and create organisations to not get influnced from abroad. those idiots have nothing to do with our country. educate our people and get the foreign o=influnce out. if u find any culprit within ur community be the first to stop him. we need to take steps now. otherwise we will be lost in bewilderness trying to solve pety issues with no meaning. religion is a good philosphy to maybe get direction in life doeasnt matter hinduism, islam etc. but dont get colonised by other traditions. arabs were nomadic tribes looting the world, indians were and are a civilised culture. CONDEMN THE HENIOUS ACTS.
RE:hang them all
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Bhuddha, The Quran you talk about scrapping...is protected by Allah. Even if you burn all Qurans, it is still preserved in the hearths of Millions of Muslim...
Dont be blind...see the presense of Allah around you...before it is too late.
RE:hang them all
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Bhuddha, I already gave you this answer...There is Only ONE ISLAM and that is the message of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...Why are you being so ignorant...
RE:WHY MUSLIMS DON'T PROTEST?
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Muslims condemn terrorism...I know I do... This conclusion that terrorist are my brothers is insane...
This is not just to Muslims... JEWS - Did the Jews speak out against the King David Hotel bombing. Infact In July 2006, right-wing Israelis including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre.
HINDU - How many Hindus opposed the demolition of the Babri Masjid even when it was against the supreme Court ruling...
Christian - How many Christians do you find criticizing the CRUSADES ???
RE:WHY MUSLIMS DON'T PROTEST?
by Raju Dalit on Aug 28, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
CRUSADES AS I KNOW WERE NECESSARY BECOZ OF BARBERIANISM OF SOME PEOPLE IN ISLAM.IT LEAD TO OTHER SOCIAL FREEDOMS TOO. THEY WERE AND ARE CONVERTING AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT AND YET WHEN THE BRITISH CHRISTIANS THEMSELVES HAD SOCIAL REFORMS AND NEW DEMOCRATIC AND SECULARIST ATTITUDE, THEY ALLOWED AND EVEN HELPED US TO DO AWAY WITH OUR SOCIAL EVILS. THEIR COLONISATION WAS TOO CRUEL SOME TIMES, YET THEY NEVER DIMOLISHED OUR TEMPLES AND CARRIED OUT MASSACRES LIKE TH MUSLIMS WHO DESTROYED 300000 TEMPLES. BRITISH AND CHRISTIANS THEMSELVES HAD SOME OLDROOTED SOCIAL EVILS, BUT IMPROVED A LOT AND INTRODUCED DEMOCRACY AND MODERN OUTLOOK WHICH TO DAYS INDIA INCLUDING INDIMUSLIMS ENJOY. IF THE BRITISH WERE NOT THERE, AURANGZEBS WUD HAVE DESTROYED US ALL BY NOW AND THE WHO OF INDIA , SUCH A BIG INDIA WUD BE A TALIBAN, WITH PAKISTAN INCLUDED IN IT, AND WHAT WUD HAPPEN TO THE WORLD THEN?
RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by imran patel on Aug 28, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
Idiot...did u read her book... Attack on her are NOT justified...But read her book...she is the -Ultra-feminist...She will make you wipe her dogs poop..with ur tongue...
RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by Indian Analyst on Aug 28, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
I wouldn't bet on it. Which religion solved poverty, hunger, fundamentalism, greed etc ? None, of course.
RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by Indian Analyst on Aug 28, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
No need for that my friend. You are hurting our muslim brothers.
RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by on Aug 28, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
Indian Let us not use this forum to blame religions.Islam is undergoing tumultous phase where good is fighting to stay against bad.They are now having a problem adjusting with the world.To name all muslims bad is not proper-they are indians like all of us and like us are victims of poor governance and corruption.There are only good and bad people.Bad for us is our politicians not one particular group.Poverty is result of majority of problems for our country-guess why we have 70 percent poverty levels afetr 60 years-lets direct our attention to those who are accountable,to those eat our tax money and not work effectively.
RE:RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by mindgod on Aug 30, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
No religion including communism will ever beable to solve the problems u mentioned.
RE:ISLAM IS EVIL; MUSLIM MINDSET IS CURRUPT!!!
by Indian Analyst on Aug 28, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
-I have met atleast 6 evangelists who wanted to convert me ! -No muslim has tried to convert me. Fundamentalism exists in various forms. Read the bible, it's description of heaven etc... You will realize what I am saying. A religion might give a great philosophy to live, yet the interpretation is human and we are human. Our only option is to follow the truth that it won't be found in the religious texts. For that you have to embrace science !
It it time indian police give fitting reply to the terror outfits involved in the blasts. Death sentence to the culprits with wide publicity will send tremors into any infiltrators venturing into Indian soil.....Next time any person thinking of crossing over to india or any internal person supporting such acts on Indian soil will be dealt the same way indian city
RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by Indian Analyst on Aug 28, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
faithfreedom.org is a evangelist website. Only they have the money and drive to insult other faiths. Everything written there is true for all religions. Religions use threats, rewards in sex in heaven (only for men), define ghosts and fairies and in general claim to be scientific.
RE:RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by Raju Dalit on Aug 28, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
Bravo Buddha.
As a hindu of my town, in last 40 years, I have never ventured in a muslim maholla. I am afraid. This is the kind of fear they created in our minds. Even congrissi hindu, who always support muslims against his own mother-race, does not go there. Yes,people like Gasdip Sridesai go there, treated well, awards given to him, becoz muuslims know that it is such foolish onesided secularist that can help them and once in full power they will conver such people first. We will see how secularism works at that time. Even muslims are afraid of that.
RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by MR on Aug 28, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
well done Buddha. But hindu religion also had sati etc.but the people thougts have progressed. Similary the other faiths haveee to adpot aas per the circumstances.
The indian kings had several wives since they had to offsprings to carry on and were not sure whether they would come back alivee from the battle ground.....but it is not followed in the current period.
Similarly Joan of ARC and some other instances the christian were burnt, but the people thought have progressed, We expect all religions to progress rather than blindly follow what has been written several centuries ago. Keep thee good discard the bad applies to all religions
RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by Raju Dalit on Aug 28, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
Hindus never boast that they are the best.
hindus never converted people of other faiths forcefully.
hindust agreed to their drawbacks and improved.
Muslims though live in India with all the modernities, still advocate islam which is against the lifestyle which the muslims themselves live.
Kings did this and that, but it was a royal practice. Not hindu practice. Sati was very bad, it is done away with. But hw abt.burqua? Millions of women are rotting behind the dark ages. Thanks to this moder India and some christian values you have a breather,otherwise Sania Mirza wud be just another Saniabai behind burqua. You guys like to wear those beard, like these hindu sadhus etc.too. This does not match with todays life style. It is a symbol of creating the fear. Timur lane killed 100,000 hindus in few days. Imagine those parents,wivies ,children etc.begging for mercy from tyrannical and powerful fighters and they laughed all the way,gleefully carrying out massacres after massacres. Every town and village ki yehi kahaani hai. India had never seen such a horrendous cruelty. There was a powerful warfare but cruelty watch matchless. Muslims are afraid of the truth so kill it with swords. people generally wish muslims well, but after seeing what muslims are doing since 1000 years, they fear and in their fear the ind.muslims take pride !!! you wud be hindu today had your forefathers not forcefully converted.Even with 1000yrs of Zakir Naiks,people are afraid of you.
RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by Yaqoot Mir on Aug 28, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
nice one comparing Sati to wearing a Burqa? are you on drugs or just missed the bandwagon when brains was handed out by teh creator?
RE:RE:Death sentence to terror oufits that enter India
by Raju Dalit on Aug 28, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Thats why I am telling you, pahele apni ankhon se burqua to hatao aur phir dekhoji.
RE:WHERE ARE MIM LEGISLATORS?
by shaik hussain on Aug 28, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
Dear Monkey Man,
What you saw was a political stunt, Tasleema being attacked by MIM.
It had nothing to do with any party. MIM is a self centered party.
I accept that MIM did not come fwd against terrorism as that is not their interest.
It is inhuman to kill. its inhuman of MIM to not condemn the killings. But that doesn't mean all the muslims are happy with what happened there.
I am in HYD. was there near GOKUL CHAT when the bomb exploded. I am here to criticize what they did. But at the same time you people need to keep your cool. Instead of blaming one another why don't we accept that its our failure as a whole and think of educating the moderate people nt to fall prey to such fundamentalists.
