RE:BJP is the root cause to invite terrorists to india
by raf ham on Aug 27, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the minorites who have become an integral part of indian population.? Does anyone think that hinduvata of BJP will save hindus or destroy hindhus?
Who is the first political party to take advantage this hyd blast by declaring a day of BAND to the people who are already devastated by these blasts?
Does anyone think that this BANDh will affect any of the mastermids in pak or bangladesh?
All they can think do is to call for a band or conduct a rathyathra or ignite a riot in this country.
As a non-aligned citizen of India I urge my countymen to think about it identify the real enemy within us.
Just a day after the blasts, and its not headlines anymore, Dutt, Salman are making headlines, what about the people who died in Hyderabad ?, no attention to them anymore. Indians and India are pathetic (no matter what religion), and their is no resolution or speech by our PM. It is more of a incentive, kill , kill and we will keep quiet.
RE:No more headlines
by Emperor on Aug 28, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
India: Seven deaths intensify fears of excessive use of force by police against land protestors in Andhra Pradesh Amnesty International is concerned at reports of excessive and unnecessary use of force by police in Modugonda village, Khammam district, Andhra Pradesh against farmers, political party workers and others demonstrating in response to local land distribution issues on 28 July 2007.
According to reports, the police opened fire on protestors resulting in the death of seven persons, the seventh succumbing to his injuries the following day. At least twelve people are also reported to have sustained injuries as a result of the firing and a lathi (long wooden stick) charge by police.
Though events leading to the shootings remain disputed, reports suggest that violence erupted when police reportedly targeted and beat a worker of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) who had been campaigning for land rights, which had helped organize the demonstration along with the Communist Party of India.
According to reports, less than ten members of the 500 person strong crowd responded to the beating by throwing stones, which prompted a senior police officer at the scene to open fire. Subsequent firing was reportedly carried out by state %u201Cspecial party personnel%u201D- members of a unit specifically trained and deployed to respond to naxalites - leftist armed group members - operating in the state.
RE:RE:No more headlines
by Emperor on Aug 28, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
Amnesty International understands that the crowd was not given any warning that the police were about to open fire. Photographic evidence shows victims with bullet wounds to the abdomen, waist and head, but allegations that the %u201Cspecial party personnel%u201D shot at protestors with AK-47 assault rifles have been denied by the Andhra Pradesh authorities.
Amnesty International reminds the Andhra Pradesh authorities that they are bound under international law to respect the right to life in all circumstances. In this context, the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials and the UN Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials provide strict guidance on the use of force in crowd control situations. In particular Principle 5 of the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials clearly state whenever the lawful use of force and firearms is unavoidable, officers shall:
RE:RE:RE:No more headlines
by Emperor on Aug 28, 2007 12:25 AM Permalink
(a) Exercise restraint in such use and act in proportion to the seriousness of the offence and the legitimate objective to be achieved; (b) Minimize damage and injury, and respect and preserve human life.
Amnesty International is concerned that the actions of the police at the demonstration violated the Principles, and the victims%u2019 right to life. The organization has reason to believe that the actions of protestors did not warrant such a response %u2013 where at least 70 rounds were reportedly fired at the crowd. The use of AK47 assault rifles is regarded by the organization to be a particularly inappropriate method of policing such demonstrations.
Amnesty International welcomes the ordering of a judicial enquiry by the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh on 29 July 2007; statements by the state Home Minister that %u201Cif any policeman is found guilty we will take action%u201D; and reports that four senior police officers involved in the incident have been suspended or transferred pending the enquiry. The organization also notes reports that the Andhra Pradesh State Human Rights Commission has requested a detailed report into the circumstances which led to the firing.
However the organization believes in order for the enquiry to be effective and to challenge the culture of impunity associated with unlawful police actions in Andhra Pradesh and elsewhere in India, the enquiry must entail the following:
It should be completely impartial, independent and thorough, The parameters
RE:No more headlines
by on Aug 28, 2007 12:38 AM Permalink
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Who is responsible for this situation? Does anyone think Lord Ram will be happpy to see mandir built their after so much of bloodshed? Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the mi
RE:Perhaps it is time to realize Mr. Jinnah's dream fully
by sumani on Aug 27, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
What do you plan to do with ULFA and people of Assam, Nagas, Mizos, Bodos etc.? What will you do with Maoists and naxals? India has insurgency and terrorism in each and every state that is not communal in nature? Minto, you are sick to stir up emotion at this time.
bjp looks mighty silly in demanding that congress be tough on terror. why? because it was vajpayee who opened the border to pakis, an act which now is irreversible because the bjp opened the floodgates. india has become vulnerable to murders and extortions and intimidations by tens of thousands of paki criminals and terrorists roaming india. kiss india goodbye.
The politicians are busy with supporting and rejecting India-US Nuclear deal. Nobody has time to think and act on the terrorist strikes. How many Hyderabads, Mumbais and Delhis do we need to wake up these selfish politicians???
RE:Lack of priority
by Pavan on Aug 27, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
Dont blame the politicians, the politicians are people like you are me(most of them are murderers), you give them absolute power and they corrupt it absolutely
RE:Hell to all those
by on Aug 28, 2007 12:39 AM Permalink
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Who is responsible for this situation? Does anyone think Lord Ram will be happpy to see mandir built their after so much of bloodshed? Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the mi
I fail to understand something, if some muslims were responsible and good, wouldnt they know about these plans to plant bombs in places where teenagers get a snack and children play in the evenings??? wouldnt they let the police or intelligence know about this, rather than keep quite.
RE:none of the
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 27, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
You have got to be kidding me! Islam is a religion of peace. It says killing one innocent is like Killing the whole of mankind. Boy - i've been a Muslim for so many years, never have I ever come across this teaching in Islam. Infact the complete opposte. Islam teaches you to be patriotic to the land you live in. Islam teaches you to obey the lawsof the land. Islam teaches you to pay your taxes. Islam teaches you to protect your fellow human beings. Why are you accusing Muslims of doing this? Both Muslims and HIndus were killed. Lets find the real perpetrators of this crime. Stop the vicious hate and lies about Islam. Jai Hind.!
RE:none of the
by murali gandluru on Aug 27, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Hi Ek Hindustani, Yes, both Hindus and Muslims were killed. But, how interesting that we haven't seen the old city ppl coming out and throwing stones and holding dharnas/strikes like the last time when Mecca Masjid was hit or for that matter whenever income tax officials conduct a raid in an old city neighbourhood?
If patriotism is so important, why have we had a furore about Vande Mataram being anti-islamic since the 1930s with the ridiculous reason that bowing before anyone but Allah is un-islamic?
RE:RE:none of the
by vspi on Aug 27, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Pls come on national TV and say this, 'am sure there wud be a fatwa on yur head my dear friend, even before you complete the sentence'
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the minorites who have become an integral part of indian population.? Does anyone think that hinduvata of BJP will save hindus or destroy hindhus?
Who is the first political party to take advantage this hyd blast by declaring a day of BAND to the people who are already devastated by these blasts?
Does anyone think that this BANDh will affect any of the mastermids in pak or bangladesh?
All they can think do is to call for a band or conduct a rathyathra or ignite a riot in this country.
As a non-aligned citizen of India I urge my countymen to think about it identify the real enemy within us
RE:none of the
by on Aug 28, 2007 12:39 AM Permalink
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Who is responsible for this situation? Does anyone think Lord Ram will be happpy to see mandir built their after so much of bloodshed? Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the mi
RE:none of the
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 27, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
Get me a news station and I will. India and Indians are more important to me than anything else. Jai Hind
RE:none of the
by kmukda on Aug 28, 2007 12:10 AM Permalink
I appreciate ur spirit. How many muslims like u come forward is a million dollar question. I am sure, we can get rid of terrorism, if we all Indians unite and consider ourselves to be INDIANS (rather than muslim, chrstian, hindu) we will flourish.
RE:none of the
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 27, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
First, we dont know who was responsible. Second, we dont knwo what that persons political or communal leanings are. Third, these things when planned dont get printed or plans blurted out on temple or mosque loud speakers. If anyone knew it was the terorrist who dont have a religion. So please stop blaming the muslims for everythign that happens in India. We are Indians as well. We love India and the security of India, cuz we lived here, our ancestors are buried here and we live work study here in this great motherland INdia. You talk as if you have concrete evidence that the entire community read about this happeneing in the evening newspaper but dint inform anyone. C'mon give us and yourself a break! Stop the hate and bias. Stop the finger pointing. Let a non biased investigator/investigation decide who is the real person/organization behind this. Not point the blame as they always do. That is in the interest of your,mine,our childresn security that the real guys brought to book and hanged. Jai HInd!
Its very sad to see you people talk about votes, vote banks and politics when people have lost their lives. Terrorism does not have a religion. REad the list of the deceased. Muslims and Hindus together were killed in the blasts. Both are affected. Every Hyderabadi including myself is shocked beyond belief, every Indian is moved at this event. Time now is to rise above political leanings and for the security forces to strengthen our country by bringing the real perpetrators of this heinious crime to book. Pointing fingers at a community or people or individuals who might have nothing to do with this, will be the biggest downfall, becasue that will keep loose the real terrorist out in teh street. Until the real terrorist are caught, there is another event watiing to occur, in a Mosque, temple or public place, where you and I go. OUr kids go. Our mothes and fathers go. Tehre is no place that is safe until the real perpetrators are caught and their motives brought to light. We are all affects Muslims/Hindus/Christians/ eveyr indian is affected and every hyderabadi is mourning. Stop that hate and stop the bias. Do something constructive - bring hearts and minds together. Stop the divide. Its high time we did this.
RE:Politics of Terror
by vspi on Aug 27, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
hey u Hindustani, You sound like a true "secular politician" what doe you mean by doing something constructive? If you're addressing the majority community, you're wasting your breath. What've the majority community done wrong/ they've given more than a spl status to the minorities (3 muslim presidents, 1 sikh PM, 1 catholic leader of the ruling party) apart from being mute spectators to the complete annhilation of "Kashmiri Pundits", subsidising 'trips to haj' from the national exchequer's funds, having scores of ministers, mlas, CMs, and others from the minority communities in the seats of power, sports, moviedom in short everywhere. tell me which other country in the world do minorities enjoy such benefits? the haj yatra is not subsidised in Pakistan as well!!
RE:Politics of Terror
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 27, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
I address my fellow country men and belive you me, I am not a politcian from any angle, jsut a concerned citizen jsut as you are. AGain my address is to ALL INDIANS not to any community majority or minority. We need to rise above the minority and majority rhetoric and create opportunities and justice for every individual - an equal opportunity in all fields. You speak again with bias when you pick and choose the thing of your choice, while failing to explain the babri masjid demolition or the gujarat /Bombay riots and innumerable instances such as that. Im not listing them in a biased manner but merely responding to your list.Making a few presidents and name sake individuals does not serve any purpose. What India needs is equal opportunity for all, based on what they can do, not who they belong to where they come from or what political inclination they might have. India's strenght lies in its diversity. People who are bent upon ghetoization of a community will not make India strong. What is needed is for all people to walk hand in hand to make India strong from outside and inside. Can't stress this enough. Who the heck cares about what happens in other countries, I dont have an iota of support for Pakistan. I did not have anything to do with it, nor will I ever do. Why do you alwys bring that countires name up. Screw them. Lets talk about our country and our citizens and what we can do to improve our lives. Lets stop the bias and hatred. Stop the cycle of hate. Jai Hind.
RE:Politics of Terror
by vspi on Aug 27, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Hindustani- why is the so oft heard statement "Create equal opputunities" you mean to say in a democracy do we have it any other way? 40 students/ XII th. std. class x 4 divisions= 160 students. All of them without exection know that the top 5 wud get admission in professional degree courses which wud result in better career. 5 of them do score the highest marks, they do get admission in professional courses of their chioce and get good jobs and do well in life. so you mean to say the system was unjust to the rest of the 155 who cud'nt do as well? Or do you suggest thgat govt./ system shud give equal marks to everyone, who all become Drs. or software engineers & then what happens? Medicrocy; thats exactly what the communists did and see where are they (Russia already crumbled, China quickly learnt a lesson & have gone the capital's way, Cuba & N. Korea, W. bengal & Kerala have taken an ostrich approach are yet to learn anything. the minority community doesn't want to get into the mainstream, want to continue to be ghettoised, want to be influenced by the 'mullas' and shout anti- American slogans at the drop of the hat, want to send their children to madrassas, dont want their children to sing "Vande mataram" (its anti-islamic they say; as if someone 100 yrs ago knew there wud be a certain Bankimchandra Chatterjee in the 20th century who wud pen these lines and all loyalists must not sing the same). Cheer pakistan in any India-Pak match, knowing very well that an avg Indian ha
RE:Politics of Terror
by jay krishnan on Aug 27, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
what do you mean by equal oppurtunity ? you know its a level playing field in India more so now in the modern era than it has ever been. We have indeed a true democracy at work here. Don't say it from your mouth. Feel, my friend, Feel like this is really your motherland and then you won't talk about equal oppurtunities from a religious standpoint anymore. What kind of other equal oppurutunities are you talking about ? Your muslim people hook each other up and dominate any area they gain a foothold is a well known fact. they won't tolerate any more non muslims after that point. take the instance of movies nowadays. how the power shift is happening. You know in your heart that everyone has equal oppurtunity in this bharata bhumi probably more than is good for us. You know muslims in India are much better off than 95% of muslim countries out there ? Go outside and live there and come back and tell me.
Ok what can you do to unite the country and stem the voilence ? Go to the members of your community and preach to them. Tell them it is haraam to spit at one's own mother and motherland. it's haraam to be unpatriotic to the motherland that feeds you and take good care of you. ( if a few hindus are being intolerant, then confront them by all means, but don't become a motherland hating slave.) Also tell them it is Haraam in God's true book ( not books written by character less individuals) to call your fellow countrymen and brethern as Kafirs and hate and mistrust them.
RE:RE:Politics of Terror
by vspi on Aug 27, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Cheer pakistan in any India-Pak match, knowing very well that an avg Indian hates a paki for what's been done for the past 60 yrs. You do all this and still think that there's no level playing field? How do explain the success of some hard working intelligent muslims? APJ, Zaheer Khan, Sania, Aamir Khan, Javed Akhtar, Azim Premji...? You wud rather side the palistinian cause than side the Israelis who are of utmost importance to us aginst the war of terror. They've not only given us technology to fight terrorists but also have taught us how to grow crops in barren fields of Gujarat & Rajasthan
We can keep arguing, condemning the 'secular' political parties till the cows come home. Nothing has ever changed and nothing will; the only plausible solution to this and other problems 'plaguing' our country is VOTE BJP TO POWER. And unlike last time vote them to complete majority, do not tie their hands by giving them a fractured mandate wherein they've to rule with the support of a 13 party pseudo- secular jumboree (the mamtas, lalitas, jayas & the naidus are willing to pull them down at the silliest excuse).If a 20% monority can dictate & dominate the Indian polity for the past 60 yrs due to the fact that they sink their differences & vote en block, its time the majority has to wake up to this reality and get themselves heard and protect their "motherland", which other communities refuse to accept, respect & acknowledge. Everybody else just wants their rights & previledges from this 'motherland' but doesn't want to give anything to it. So the solution is simple: GET YOUR VOTER IDENTITY CARDS & VOTE FOR BJP. rediff mods do not delete this in the interest of secularism.
RE:Keyboard Blog Patriots
by Kaushik Basu on Aug 27, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Do you really think that BJP would do a lot for the Hindus? I seriously doubt the deliverables specially when it comes from any political block.
RE:Keyboard Blog Patriots
by vijay pherwani on Aug 27, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
Atleast unlike the commies, they wud not legitmise 50 lakh bangladeshis in West Bengal to consolidate their vote banks. The Hindus in East & South must sink their differences & vote BJP to power, if you want to see our country survive peacefully.
RE:Keyboard Blog Patriots
by Kaushik Basu on Aug 28, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
Lower Casts would never vote for BJP as Muslims won't because the lower casts perceive BJP to be representative of higher cast. So why would they vote for BJP.
RE:Keyboard Blog Patriots
by hiral joshi on Aug 27, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
Have you ever heard of Gujarat? Go and see what BJP govt has done in last 12 years there.
RE:RE:Keyboard Blog Patriots
by Kaushik Basu on Aug 28, 2007 01:25 AM Permalink
There is a huge difference to work in a state and in a Counrtry set up. In state you don't have State set ups which is to some extent independent of Central government. Secondly, it might sound simple to get rid of all Minorities, but practically that is impossible. Even to change simplest of the things as you may say article 370 or uniform civil code, that a fundamental constitution change which means 2/3rd mejority in the parliament plus more than half of states approval again with 2/3rd majority. So nothing in that front is going to change. If you talk about terrorism, they can bring in POTA or any other thougher laws but remember it already backfired once for them it can bite back even harder this time, with the world watching, India can not become China or N. Korea overnight. It has to depend on a lot of countries specially islamic countries for Oil. Have you ever thought if a whole India episode of Gujrat happens then what sort of international repurcutions it might have?
