RE:jihad against India
by ann on Aug 28, 2007 07:00 AM Permalink
Muslims cannot live in peace and coexist with anybody. It is not Jihad against India it is Jihad against anybody who is not muslim. They want to wipe out anybody who is not a muslim and take this world 20000 yrs back because that is how old their ideas are. Women will be living in fear and then they will start killing each othe r becuse their will be no body else to kill. There will be hate, hate and hate everywhere. They have created a situation where every body is forced to take drastic stand against them.
If people keep posting anti religion propoganda, then even a good natured muslim will turn violent, it is absurd to think all muslims are violent, there are more than 155 million muslims in our country, yes are neighbhours(pakistan, bangla) are jealous and violent as they are extremely poor and most of the folks out there lack education. We need dialogue with our muslims brothers first, we are all like a family where one brother is muslim and the other christian, they may have different faiths, but that does not make them different, after all we are all one and the same. Let us all pray for the departed souls, and make sure we catch the perpetuators of this crime and deal with them severely, let us deal with them in such a fashion that it will never happen again.
RE:Lets not fight...
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 04:19 AM Permalink
Nobody will argue against your line of thought. You say "catch the perpetrators of this crime and deal with them severely, let us deal with them in such a fashion that it will never happen again". That has a nice ring to it. What happened to Afzal Guru, who attacked the Parliamant house & killed a dozen people & with the help of Providence all the Ministers & MPs escaped(he should have killed some of those ministers). He is a free man even after the Supreme Court verdict. Once you show weakness the terrorists win. They have no respect for human life, law, God, Dharma etc. They understand only force.
RE:Lets not fight...
by ann on Aug 28, 2007 06:52 AM Permalink
Very well said. As long as they hide each other and show loyality towards each other instead of the nation they live in we have no choice but to blame the whole race. if they are patriotic then why do not they stand against the crime and help the police catch the terrorists. Then you will see the opinion of people will change and the terrorist will also be scared to do anything. But they want to wipe out everybody from this earth who is not a muslim and go to heavern then people have the right to take extreme measures.
RE:Lets not fight...
by moderator on Aug 28, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Who is responsible for this situation? Does anyone think Lord Ram will be happpy to see mandir built their after so much of bloodshed? Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the mi
RE:Lets not fight...
by Pavan on Aug 28, 2007 04:15 AM Permalink
A little correction, lately one of the younger xtian brothe is forcing his beliefs and trying to convert others. It is just plain mischief.
RE:Let's all vote for MIM
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 03:13 AM Permalink
View some sampling of what life would be under Islamic rule. Can you imagine what our fore-fathers underwent so that we can enjoy the freedom & democracy? http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/7.htm http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/5.htm http://www.faithfreed om.org/Gallery/6.htm
RE:who is better for mohemmedans !!
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 03:07 AM Permalink
For answers, look no further. WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks http://laughingatislam.com/ http://www .laughingatislam.com/virgins.html
Lets all vote for BJP/VHP/Bajrang Dall/Shiv Sena. Give them total absolute power so that they can solve all our problems. hmmmmm... wonder what they will do - demolish every mosque/church in site, rape, kill or burn all muslims and christians and scheduled castes. Maybe they will then be able to provide all necessities of life and everyone will live happily ever after!!!! Dream ON!!!!
RE:lets all vote for BJP
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 28, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
Oh yeah as Islam is the root cause of every problem, forgot to mentions - once all mosques churches are burned and temples constructed on top of them, then there will be no corruption or politics involved in anything. Every ill will be erradicated and India will live in a land of peace and tranquility with no ills. Stupid hate mongers!! God give you all some sense. Islam and Muslims are not the problem. Our attitude towards each other and ourselfs is. All you guys can think about on this forum is hate propaganda and lies. Nobody ever talks about grass root nation building and inclusiveness. I sincerely pray to God to give us all the guidance and help us solve this cancer that is in our heads. Jai Hind.
RE:lets all vote for BJP
by moderator on Aug 28, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
IF you look closely into the matters happened over past 15 years, we can see BJP as the root cause of the terrorism.
From the day they started using hinduvata as their politcal tool , problems between communities started brewing up. As the BJP contuinued their struggle for Ram Mandir , minorities especially muslims started feeling alienated and insecure in their own country.
When BJP started recruiting people thru their saffron allies like vhp and rss they ignored the fact that they were actually inviting big enemies to hindus and to the country as well.
Followers of BJP and saffron parties were injected with hatred towards minorities for thier political motivation which ended up only in mass killings and riots throughout the country.
This fearful scenario insecurity and hateredness created by BJP helped indian muslims to tend towards extremist help from pak and bangladesh. Before BJP's political intervension using hinduvata we had extremist threat only in our borders. Now we have the threat spread all over the nation.
Why do u think minorities vote for congress as a whole? because they feel insecure in BJP. Its clear from this that their state of mind as fearful and insecure which is not good for a country's growth.
Who is responsible for this situation? Does anyone think Lord Ram will be happpy to see mandir built their after so much of bloodshed? Does anyone thinnk that India can go forward ignoring (or making enemies) the mi
RE:lets all vote for BJP
by Pavan on Aug 28, 2007 04:34 AM Permalink
You are right, religion is not problem, people are angry that all the attacks stem from religious causes predominantly islamic. Muslims are a integral part of india, even though most of them are barking here. We want the muslims to us take india to new heights, and not retrograde to dark ages. Can the community come up to the challenge ?
RE:lets all vote for BJP
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 02:48 AM Permalink
What more do you want? Everyone wants a strong, unified nation. The govt has bent backwards to placate all the madrassa going kids. It takes two to shake hand & if one goes on a murder spree & acts of wanton destruction, you turn every moderate person into a hate monger; an example is how Mullahs turn even educated, intelligent people into terrorists. How many Mullahs have you seen blowing themselves up? Zero. Why? The rise in Islamic terrorrism in the world in the last few years is shocking. We have to move on with modern times & cannot continue to live in 12th century.
RE:ISLAM the real culprit
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not! The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed. Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam. The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence. Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam. Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history. If truth has ever mattered, it matters most
RE:RE:ISLAM the real culprit
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
(contd) We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear disaster is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but "when". Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the sand. We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity. We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people. Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.
RE:hyderabad-part of ummah??
by Chola King on Aug 28, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
What we need is another Sardar Patel. When Hyderabad wanted to separate from India, he sent the Indian Army & showed the Paki-lovers their right place in the state. After that they have been behaving till Congress again came back to power. Another place where you can expect similar problem is Malappuram in Kerala which is infested with anti-national elements supported by Communists.
RE:SOME MORE SUGGESTIONS
by Mick on Aug 28, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
I agree with your points. But no one could get elected on it because no one could get votes without causing people to fight along regional or ethnic lines. I would also add that it should be illegal to refer to anyones caste. Caste should have no legal status, and ANY mention of caste should be treated as hate.
