This seeme to be a wish wash of the most important issue, and both the governments are whipping frenzy in public to hodwink them to form opinions aligning to their objectives.
Please don't give communal,personal colour to Discussion board.Pl also don't repeat calling Left parties-agents of Pak& China.The N deal is serious National Issue.If any useful info is there then contribute to the discussion.
RE:N-Deal
by Deepak kalarickal on Aug 22, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Does the left have any solution for the energy crisis.It is easy to oppose but difficult to come out with a solution.
RE:N-Deal
by tathya on Aug 22, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
let there be wide ranging& comprehensive discussion among scientists,policymakers etc.If pssble have a task force consisting them.then when there is consensus let us go ahead.And friends,China has gone way ahead because of various other reasons(size,stability,hard work,uniformity of language&religion etc etc).WE also can do that.We have that great asset-Democracy that they do'nt have.
While it is true that the USA can scrap the agreement and demand our returning their technology and fuel if we conduct tests for weapons in future, there are several inbuilt safeguards within the ambit of this agreement to prevent the Americans from dictating terms to us.
Before starting a "punitive" process, the USA will have to go through several rounds of discussions, compensate us according to prevailing international prices in such an unlikely event and cannot stop arbitrarily the supplies so as to bring our nuclear power stations to a grinding halt.
Therefore, even if we decide to go against the agreement and test for nuclear ordnance, the nation will be talking from a position of strength.
RE:RE:RE:N-Deal
by tathya on Aug 22, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
wishful thinking.Will our future Govts,political system have the will and guts to do that.See even now, how present negotiations went on.When there were pressures fm all sides then only so called concessions fm US came. And Hey U all,the points of contention is not only Testing.There could be several other issues.
RE:RE:N-Deal
by tathya on Aug 22, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
wishful thinking.Will our future Govts,political system have the will and guts to do that.See even now, how present negotiations went on.When there were pressures fm all sides then only so called concessions fm US came. And Hey U all,the points of contention is not only Testing.There could be several other issues.
Since the formation of this Govt., i am watching mood of the left just to watch the mood of the left and i reached at a conclusion that they are no better then other political groups. they are even worse then that becouse of their tectics of bargening on almost each core issue. they shows that they have real understanding of indian mass who are struggling for their living but infact they are just fulfilling their motives by blackmailing. i challange them that if they really have guts then withdraw support with immediate effect and face the elections. they will never do it coz they know that there is no next time for them. so what ever benifit they can get from this govt. they will have it. and country "well who cares for it". if govt also start obeying to thir useless demands then a day will come when we will be standing far behind other nations of our so called developing group. now it is up to govt that whether they want to be palyed like puppets or they can come in open to face public opinion. if you are right then come on and if you are wrong then keep dancing on the tunes of so called left.
RE:Is PM Manmohan singh Misleading ???
by hiral joshi on Aug 22, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
Indian Parliament is not obliged to read on Internet. Govt has to put it before the parliament. Its not about only reading what is published. The concern is about what is not written, like what will happen if India does N-tests? This matter must have figured during the talks then why cant govt give clarification on such important issues in Parliament. If the end-beneficiaries are the people of India why cant govt explain and clarify all the related issues at proper forum? Giving statements in media doesnt mean anything. See the example of Ronan Sen, one day you say some thing to media and next day you can shed the responsibility for that. Parliament needs assurances from govt in parliament not in press conferences. Another thing is USA senate debated this deal for more than 2 years, why cant Indian parliament discuss on it even for a single session?
RE:Is PM Manmohan singh Misleading ???
by ASHOK on Aug 22, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
Indian Parliament knows one thing >> Thumping the desk and walking out.
You can take horse to water but you can not make him drink water
RE:RE:Is PM Manmohan singh Misleading ???
by atindra dinesh shukla on Aug 22, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
That doesnt mean govt can chuck its own responsibility.
RE:Is PM Manmohan singh Misleading ???
by ashish kumar on Aug 22, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
Mr. Joshi, itna josh mat dikhao. You are a stupid and you need to understand that
RE:Is PM Manmohan singh Misleading ???
by atindra dinesh shukla on Aug 22, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Argue with substance instead of exposing your own stupidity.
Entering into a nuclear deal with USA will only help India as we can overcome the technology embargo we were facing and bacome a rich country.China had a deal with USA earlier and they are far ahead of us,so is Japan and south korea.Pakistan is begging USA to get a deal like this.Communists are really headless chickens and are servants of their chinese masters.
Friends, who are these left that are opposing the Nuke deal - lets get to some history about them.. 1. these left are the same people who had got several Indian freedom fighter arrested during World War 2, 1945-46, at Soviet Russia's instance. 2. these Left are the very same people who has taken China's side when 1962 Indo-Chinese war broke out. They even raised fund for Chinese soldiers in India. 3. They had called respected freedom fighter Netaji Subhas Bose "DOG." 4. Today they want to stop the Nuke deal the instance of China's Communist party. Can we Indians trust these very same Left with India's national interest? Decide for yourself, but only after carefully going thru Left%u2019s history.
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by HImmat Negi on Aug 22, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
who are the people who are voting these communists to power.... we Indians
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Vikas Arora on Aug 22, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
But even Bengal and Kerala are in India and Bengalis and Keralites are Indians as well
RE:RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Kajolika on Aug 22, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
then the question comes why do they vote for CPI and CPIM who act as per orders from their Boses in Bejing, China ?
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Sreelekha Nair on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
yes thats right, what the Left had done to Indian freedom fighters during 1945 freedom struggle was to hand them over to British police at Soviet Russia's behest! this is their true character!
I really appreciate Manmohan Singh,India's visionary,for having made this biggest effort for India to become Developed Nation by 2020.Nuclear Deal will be benificial in all these ways: 1)India to attain Civilian Nuclear power for self sufficiency in Nuclear Energy. 2)Good Relations with America & all friendly relations taking India's Foreign Policy to New heights. 3)Pave the way to Attain permanent relationship at UN. 4)Become a Developed Nation by 2020. Best of Luck to Congress & Manmohan & Sonia Ji. Suman Sibal Highly appreciate Congress's stand. Congress should remain firm on nuclear deal.
RE:123 Nuclear Deal is Best For Indian Economy.Suman Sibal.M.Tech Civil
by HImmat Negi on Aug 22, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
It seems that you are you relative of Kapil Sibal. That is the reason you are supporting congress. Supporting Nuk deal is OK but not Cong.
If you look at the masses, the position remains the same as before, nothing has changed except for price hike, reservation etc. Infact they do not want to irredicate the poverty because of the vote card. To hell with cong who have ruled us for more than 50 years and the situation is worst than it was before 1947 when there were hardly any corruption, crime, loot. We are poor then and are today. The rich have become richer and the poors have become poorer.
Friends, who are these left that are opposing the Nuke deal - lets get to some history about them.. 1. these left are the same people who had got several Indian freedom fighter arrested during World War 2, 1945-46, at Soviet Russia's instance. 2. these Left are the very same people who has taken China's side when 1962 Indo-Chinese war broke out. They even raised fund for Chinese soldiers in India. 3. They had called respected freedom fighter Netaji Subhas Bose "DOG." 4. Today they want to stop the Nuke deal the instance of China's Communist party. Can we Indians trust these very same Left with India's national interest? Decide for yourself, but only after carefully going thru Left%u2019s history.
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Deepak kalarickal on Aug 22, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
The communists in India should be sent for a study tour to china for them to see how developed it is after entering into a nuclear deal with USA earlier.
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Anubhav Lal on Aug 22, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Time has come where each Indian citizen should make a commitment that they will never vote for candidates whose party have opposed N-Deal. That is the best way to wipe out Communists from the country and save democracy.
RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Abbas Rumani on Aug 22, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
Anubh if we follow you advise than not only communist, BJP, SP, TDP,JD all will be wipe out. :)
RE:RE:who exactly are these Left ?
by Abbas Rumani on Aug 22, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
all above listed parties are opposing the N-deal as of now at least. I don't know what will be their stand in future
