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by andrew smith on Aug 21, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
Sharukh why are you mixing mirchi in the deal.Do you wanna explain your private life as well.Then tell me how was night with your wife yesterday
RE:Thisk about it
by Batman on Aug 21, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
If we do not get this deal we ll spend another 10 years in the dark without electricity till we have the technology to generate power by using Thorium. We still do not have the final tech to generate power through these Fast Breeder Reactors. We should take this deal to generate power and speed up the research on fast breeder reactors so that as soon as we have the production capabalities using thorium based technology we can just stop importing uranium. But right now we need Uranium based tech so that we get power and we are nt left behind and go back to the dark ages... and yah this deal is only civilian so no need to worry abt military nuclear instalations. n we are free to test nuclear weapons. the Hyde Act is just a cosmetic effect by the US government to shut the mouths of the Non proliferation hawks in washington who are opposing this deal tooth n nail... The US understand it has no leverage to stop India from testing weapons and it dosnt want to risk billions of dollars of investment by imposing nay sanctions. remember 1998 aftre the tests the imposed sanctions but had to bite the dust and remove sanctions after realizing it was their industries that were suffering.. so be cool and just use this deal to the maximum and do not let the commies Headless Chickens take India back to the dark ages
RE:RE:Thisk about it
by m s on Aug 21, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Bhaiyon, I am just asking you all to support for removal of testing clause. Its none of their concern to tell us what to do. And the billions of dollars will be going from India's pocket. US wont build those reactors here for free. And all non proliferation hawks are bluffing. This clause is like a stick that we keep with us to keep the dog from biting us. The dog will stand away but will never dare to bite. So we will be afraid of the consequences and will never test. Indira Gandhi didn't not order second test because of US pressure. That is the only agenda of US.
RE:RE:RE:Thisk about it
by Debasish Bandyopadhyay on Aug 21, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
I agree with you particularly on the issue of "removal of testing clause". We are independent country. So our internal matter should't and must not be under scrutiny of any other country. I think we Indians should feel proud to be 'Babui' having own nest rather 'Chorui' staying in big house of others. Any deal is welcome for the interest of our motherland but not letting down our freedom.
RE:Thisk about it
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
Yeah and what of the BJP lead govt moratorium on nuke tests after our last tests ? Where were you to oppose that then ? Or is it that it gets to be bad in a govt other than the knikerwallahs proposes it ?
RE:Thisk about it
by m s on Aug 21, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
BJP's moratorium on testing was with a statement that we do not need further testing RIGHT NOW. It doesnt mean we do not need testing EVER.
RE:Thisk about it
by Manu on Aug 21, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Dear ms, For burning thorium, uranium is needed, that we donot have. If you study the body language of manmohan singh and Bush you can get so many clues from it. In my view, if this deal gets through, the next step of USA will be to force Pakistan to abondan its nuclear capabilitis. They have already forced Pakistan to keep Dr. Kadir under house arrest. So dear friend wait for a year or two, you will see USA forces enterining in Pakistan to denuke them. The new world have India as a nuclear power country while Pakistan without it.
RE:RE:Thisk about it
by m s on Aug 21, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
US can never enter Pakistan. Right now US army is too stretched, and if US does any stupid move, it will have to fight with Taleban as well as Pakistan army. And in no case China will let it happen because keeping India busy with an enemy is in best interest of China. I dont say deal is bad, its needed, but not by putting in indirect ban on nuke test. If JUST that clause is removed, I am a happy person.
RE:Thisk about it
by m s on Aug 21, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
From wikipedia: The thermal breeder reactor. The excellent neutron capture characteristics of fissile Uranium-233 make it possible to build a heavy water moderated reactor that, after its initial fuel charge of enriched uranium, plutonium or MOX, requires only thorium as input to its fuel cycle. Thorium-232 produces Uranium-233 after neutron capture and beta decay.
RE:Thisk about it
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
And in gas the recent finds in the basin should make us less dependent on Iranian gas, not that we are getting too much thanks to Pakistan and the pipeline deal not working out
RE:Chinese agents
by Debasish Bandyopadhyay on Aug 21, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
With their death the moral will also die. India will develop without idealism.
Commis pt ideologies in this educated peoples head and make them think like a donkey.They make use to take loans for their poor supporters.You just sign these papers and later the banks recover from you.I know a lot of educated people has been fooled.If you are an engineer do you tell all that I am being fooled.Thats the way they grow.
These educated and earning people are growth of commis.If you ignore them they wont exist.Rich to poor concept.
RE:A message for educated commi supporters.How they survive with you?
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
I do not support communits but this matter is of national defence. We have the right to know waht are going to be the limitations of this treaty.
Nucelar test might be required in future. does this treaty allow us to do so, may be with our uranium only?
RE:A message for educated commi supporters.How they survive with you?
by andrew smith on Aug 21, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Its all up to Indian scientist how fast they grasp the new technologies.Once that is done no need for any deal.
Breeder reacters use Uranium.Difficult.Thorium doesnt need that as far as i know.I am not an expert.
The technology with Thorium is the gate way.Are the Indian scientist capable.
RE:A message for educated commi supporters.How they survive with you?
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
When they have been explained to you repeatedly and you continue to post pretending not to have read them just exposes you to be alackey of the commies, won't be surprise if you are sitting in the CPI office while u type.
RE:RE:A message for educated commi supporters.How they survive with you?
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
So nuke tests are possible, it just scraps the deal, and the moratorium on testing was placed by the BJP, so the deal is not covering any new commitments. Please -s till waiting for you to call your khakhi knickerwallahs headless chickens, now that ithas been shown that your biggest concern ( that of not testing) is thanks to a commitment made by them.
RE:A message for educated commi supporters.How they survive with you?
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
Buddy questioning is good for democracy,specially on teh matters of natinal defence. We must know the indepth before going in fro any matter of national importance.
Be it from congress office,communist office or khakhi knickerwallahs !!
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this Indo US nuclear deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose ndustrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. And yes the commies got a new name now "Headless Chickens and Spineless Morons".
RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
India started non align movement and kept aneutral stan for last sixty years . just to make sure it's defnce is not compromised.
Why the same congress government is ready to compromise on our nuclear defence capabilities now.
RE:Commie traitors
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
So how does being able to buy nuclear technolgoy from Russia, USA, China, France and UK make us compromise on non alignment ? As of now all are forbidden to transfer any nuke tech to us, and this deal will allow them to do so. And who the F bothers about alignment or non alignment, the good of the nation is more important than any f*ing ideology.
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
Buddy I am also concerned about national defnec and please noet I do not support communits at all.
But my question is can we conduct a nucler test , if required in future. If yes what will be the consequence arising out of this treaty?
RE:Commie traitors
by Cynic on Aug 21, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
You have been telling us !! Now you have started asking.
Yes India can conduct nuclear tests. India has not declared in the treaty that it will not. Next, the consequences, under certain conditions, like a test in response to tests by some neighbouring countries, there are NO consequences. If India tests unilaterally & unprovoked, then the US will evaluate the conditions under which the tests were conducted & can recall the equipments supplied to US for nuclear energy. But......two things here. First India has gathered all the data required from previous tests & does not see the need for another test. ( No developed country has conducted a test in the last decade) and even if we do, unilaterally, US will find it uneconomical to recall the equipments. So that scenario too is unlikely.
RE:Commie traitors
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
The consequence of testing is that the deal is off !- So that should please opponents of the deal ! so how does testing and calling of the deal compromise our security ? (specially when you claim that the deal violates our security)
RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
I know non alignment is a thing of past but we should sompromise on our defence capabilities at any cost.
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
Where are we compromising, we have our nuke bombs and can make more. the moratorium on testing was done by the BJP govt which was done before this deal. so pls - i am still waiting for you to call the BJP headless chickens, or are your views influnced by your political leanings, the good of the nation be damned ?
RE:Commie traitors
by Cynic on Aug 21, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
There was an article by Uday Bhaskar , former head Academy for Defence Stdies, on rediff 2 days back....He said the deal is great in terms of India's defence stategies..... http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/aug/19guest.htm
RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
I dont say the deal is not good but by accept limitation on nuclear defence , when we have enemy neighbours like China and Pakistan?
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
So you still have your bombs, and ability to make more of them, the deal allows for military reactos- we have kept them seperate and out of the deal. Please do get the facts before commenting
RE:Commie traitors
by Cynic on Aug 21, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
But Uday Bhaskar & Anil Kakodkar ( Chairman Indian Atomic Energy commission) say there is no limitation on nuclear defence !!! Are they lying?
RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Will US allow us to test with the fuel produced by designated "military" reactors that are outside the ambit of this deal?
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
first things first, the moratarium on testing was not done in this deal, but a commitment made by the BJP. So the question is not relevant to opposing the deal, how do we test without the deal when the govt under BJP made a commitment not to test ? And second even if we do test, the deal gets revoked, so that should not impact security at all as you are calling the deal anti national security
RE:Commie traitors
by Manu on Aug 21, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
Hun, From where did you get this conclusion that our defence capabilities are being compromised by this deal.We donot have enough uranium to run our existing nuclear reactors for more then 10 years now. And you can not make bombs without uranium. The provision in the deal is very clear; India will have two seperate establishments- one for energy and one for nuclear defence. The energy establishments will be under supervision from atomic agency while the defence will not be under any supervision. If we get the uranium for our energy need from outside, we will be saving our own uranium for making bombs.If we not go for deal, whatever small amount of uranium we have will go to running the existing reactors. and in the changing scenario of world politics,after recognising India as an atomic capable country, the next step of USA will be to denuclearise Pakistan like they did it with north korea and Iran. They have already declared Pakistan as most dangerous state and compelled them to put their most renowned scientist Dr. Kadir under house arrest. The China and Pakistan know it well, so making all efforts to nuke this deal. They are right on their part, but are our commis are right in their decision to break the deal? They should think for a nuclear capable India, and this apply to BJP also.
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
I am happy if this deal does not put us in any awkward situation on future!!I hope it does not.
RE:RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Batman on Aug 21, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
how many people explained to you still it dosn go in your head you Moron Hun Honcho idiot
Guys, I dont say that ther are no good points in this deal but the biggest flaw seems to be about limiting the prospects of developing the nuclear capabilities of India.We must not compromise on our defence with any other country be it US or any other country.
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Cynic on Aug 21, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
There was an article by Uday Bhaskar , former head Academy for Defence Stdies, on rediff 2 days back....He said the deal is great in terms of India's defence stategies..... http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/aug/19guest.htm
RE:RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Surely look at the analysis but alongwith soem good pints there are sever limitations too. Please consider the block on future progress of our nucler capabilities too.
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
Before this deal there was a ban on ANY technolgy realted to nukes being transferred to India, now this allows for civilian technology to be transferred,, allows us to keep our bombs and make more from our military reactors, so where is the limitation ? And where is the future progress compromised by this deal ? Also if we test the deal is off, so it's not that we cannot test, and if the deal is so bad, it should not be a problem to you if we in the future decide to test and cancel the deal ? the option is not closed,there is no signing that we will not test, only that if we test the deal dies. that should be enough for folks who say the deal is bad, we have a provision for testing and killing the deal in the same act ! It should make you happy !
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
am happy if this deal does not put us in any awkward situation on future!!I hope it does not.
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Cynic on Aug 21, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
But Uday Bhaskar & Anil Kakodkar ( Chairman Indian Atomic Energy commission) say there is no limitation on nuclear defence !!! Are they lying?
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
There are designated "military" reactors that are outside the ambit of this deal, that keeps our military options intact. We can even look to make more reactors for military options, just that we cannot use the technology and fuel got as per this deals provisions for the military use. So how does the deal impact our military options ? We already have committed ( under the BJP govt) not to test any more as we have enough data and simulation to do the tests without exploding bombs.
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Hun Honcho on Aug 21, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
We can never say that we will not need another testing. Technology is changing every day and another test might be required sooner or later.
Now will US allow u sto test with the fuel produced by designated "military" reactors that are outside the ambit of this deal?
RE:Ban on develoing nuclear defence capabilities is not cceptable!!!
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
The BJP made a public proclamation and moratarium on testing after the nuke testing, saying that we have enough data and simulation models. So ask them this question, that is not a new position that has been taken by India under this deal. Its a stand we have taken earlier so why are you raising it to this govt ? and where were you when the BJP made this claim ? Let's hear you call BJP headless chickens now ..
RE:Why educated people in Kerala vote for this commis?
by Totoman on Aug 21, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
The educated ones have left Kerala. The only ones who vote are the uneducated ones !!!
I dont say that ther are no good points in this deal but the biggest flaw seems to be about limiting the prospects of developing the nuclear capabilities of India.We must not compromise on our defence with any otehr country be it US or any other country.
RE:Ban on developing nuclear defence capabilities is not acceptable!
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
There is no limitations on the military use, only that fuel and technology bought under this deal is not used for military purposes. The designated military reactors can be used for the military use.
Looks like congress is going to become the biggest head less chiken after this deal.
As there is not going to be any support for the congress after this deal.
At the same time congress i smaking India a head less chicken too.CXountry wont be able to develope it's nucler defence abilities. For any attack on our integrity we would have to look forward fro US protection.
RE:Deal might limit our nuclear defece capabilities severly!!
by Anupam Soni on Aug 21, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
In China they don't serve headless chicken, so Mr. Honcho is remembering that and wanting to go back to China!
RE:Deal might limit our nuclear defece capabilities severly!!
by Red Pascal on Aug 21, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
First get your facts right. The deal is linked only to the "civil" use reactors, reactors used for military use are outside of the safeguards, so that makes a headless chicken of your claim of not being able to defence. Second please back your claims with facts. NDTV had 92 % support fo the deal based on sms repsonses. The posts here are another indicator- i'd say 80% support the commies will lose their deposits if they pull the rug due to this deal. ! And their voting cadres don't understand nukes anyway.
RE:Very Brave step by Congress Prime Minister
by mr on Aug 21, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
Left have one agenda you mentioned correctly, Bjp has another agenda called getting CREDIT.
RE:Very Brave step by Congress Prime Minister
by deepak on Aug 21, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
If BJP is not taken into confidence by the congress, it is obvious that BJP will have some teeth to grin with Congress... This is a Matter of National security, In which, BJP has an important role to play..BJP is acting as a responsible oppsotion, and to its credit, a nice strategy by BJP... Manmohan Singh, and its cabinet should take BJP into confidence for the advancement of National security, and econommic policies.. Since Congress think of itself bigger than life, and with dumbos like Paswan, lalu, Mayawati, Dravidian kutties, We have BJP being sidelined in an Important issue...
RE:Very Brave step by Congress Prime Minister
by andrew smith on Aug 21, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
BJP wants to establish their party in pak and china hahaha....
