We can't get rid of it even by Supreme Court. These lalus, karunanidhis, yechuris and the moron arjun will find out ways to implement it. It is time that common public must unite and throw these crows out of the power. India need another Kranti "Kameeno Bharat Chhodo"
On June 27, 2007 the weepy wimp of a Former Prime Monster of SC / ST/ OBC / Mandal Bundal frame, Shee V P Singh f/f Vishwanath Pratap Singh turned 76 in the Apollo Hospital where he has been running up bills at our expense since May 30th, 2007.
Slated to limp his way into the same Apollo Hospital soon (now there is no faith in AIIMS since the take-over by the backward classes headed by one Dramagross) will be the quota masters of the day -- Arjun Singh -- who will be followed by none other than Ram Vilas Padwan. However not joining-in for the party at Apollo Hospital in Delhi will be that Kalingar (pumpkin) with the goggles aka Karunanidhi but only because his admission "RESERVATION" has been done by Azagiri at Apollo Hospital Chennai.
In the meanwhile, all young people of the country who feel there is no justification for such, stupid, silly reservations after 60 years of discrimination against the non-SC/SC/OBCs are waiting with bated breadth for the Supreme Court hearing (from today, August 7, 2007) the Constitutional validity of the law providing 27 per cent reservations for Other Backward Classes in elite educational institutions.
We shall indeed wait and watch to what extent the government goes to implement the retrograde agenda of caste-based reservations.
Reservations in India are useless in present form. I fully support SC/ST reservation, but OBC reservation does not make sense at all. First,OBCs are mostly land-owners, secondly 21st century should lead us forward , not 2000 years backward. US affirmative action means if there are 2 same qualified candidates, the colored one will get the seat. Unlike India, where merit is sacrificed solely for votes. But any healthy debate on these issues is curtailed by these rowdy politicians. At a time when so many inter-caste marriages are taking place, what kind of legacy we leae our children. Will they be upper or lower caste ...?
RE:ssddssdd
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
How can people who were suppressed for hundreds of generations will be able to get benefits of reservation within 2 or 3 generations. You know still many posts reserved of SC/ST are not filled due to lack of candidates. The develop comes gradually not all of a sudden. In each generation number of developed people will grow. So it may take one or two generations to get the equality. By the way when a set of people tolerated for hundreds of generations why don't you guys tolerat reservation for one or two generations?
The posts are not filled because of lack of education and basic facilities. Instead of shouting over for seats in IITs, lets start sending these kids to school. The politicians will never do that. They're interested in "votes", not on real upliftment. If supressed people have to get the real benefit, why dont you propose quota on financial basis or lets say kids of all those SC/ST/OBC/MBC/BC government officials, beyond a particular rank are not eligible for quota. Right now the cream layer of the same SC/ST/OBC/MBC/BC are blocking the poorer ones of their own creed from enjoying the benefits of Quota
So far as you say Mr. Kapoor, "abuse is the argument" you are absolutely right. But then you try to say, one section argues rationally and the other section shout abuses down at them and that is when I disagree with you.
No one in our political system rationalises. Each political position holds their own views to be correct and does not engage with the other position, instead just simply shouts them. You however seem to be leaving the impression that the Rights rationalise and the Lefts abuse which is incorrect.
First of all the entire quota premise is false as well as the arguments given against so called upper castes as well as the definition of "upper" caste itself. Basically an educated intelligent person who followed certain strict code of conduct was called a "Brahmin", anyone could become a Brahmin/ Rishi you just had to follow the given path. The so called "Upper castes" were very few in numbers hence their prosperity showed whereas the so called "dalits" were in huge numbers and hence their prosperity did not show but poverty did. There are many "birth" Brahmins who are poor and illitrate and there are many "birth" dalits who are rich (and were rich in past too) The entire quota premise is based on politics of divide and rule the simple logic behind a part of the society is given special benefits (justified or not) so that they get alienated form others who then feel its injustice and in the least become cynical in worst start fighting. Quota needs to be eliminated not for the benefit of "upper castes" but for the benefit of so called "BC/OBC" and the Indian society.
Many in British empire had targetted the Brahmins and instead left the power in hand of Neheruvians, for the latter were good brown sahebs. It is not that the latter were not some Brahmins by birth, by rational they must embrace westernism.
Our media would have courage to freely oppose the communist hysteria, the western morality if corrupted award winning socialists leave some space for Brahmins. Therefore it is a survival of the award winning JNU thugs, that they must decimate the Brahmin. Did one see how rediff was silent on the leftists of JNU, or Sheela Bhat's resident sociologist ? and they were mere copycats, not of any genius.
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
Do not give false inforamtion. Brahmins were given top positions during British rule.
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
Did you make a poor attempt to deny that Brahmins were not targetted by British. ( Not the ones who could read history and phlisophy of anthropology ). Read the racial theories propagated by british, here the suppressors were supposed to be somebodyelse, British politicians who had contempt of a saheb were liberators.
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
Many brahmins were working as clerks, translators and even administrators during british rule. If british targetted brahmins why did they give key positions?
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
To run their admin they had local help and support. clerk, translator are not key positions. The key decissions were taken elsewhere. clerk culture has survived though.
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
The humble govt of british is a canard, which contineus till date. The colonial govt and its agents and sympathizers played a decissive role in sucking the people and a civillization.
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
It is true. But when you talk about civilization you mean the ancient civilization or later vedic civilization
RE:The Brahmins were difficult to purchase
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
Whatever the intention of british may be, brahmins were acting as intermediary between people and govt. They have even worked as agents and diwans. They have played a decisive role in the govt.
Quota is a national socialist dogma to assault. It just lets the maoist capture power. These maoists who think Brahmins are taking power away from muslims through centuries ( because of their absurd right to survival ) will be slaughtered like Nazibullah.
RE:Quota is a national socialist dogma.
by TPR on Aug 07, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Brahmins have oppressed and suppressed the dalits for not just centuries but milleniums.
RE:Quota is a national socialist dogma.
by ravikiran on Aug 07, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
Here is another one who has read the history written by communists
RE:Quota is a national socialist dogma.
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
It really doesn't take a govt employed professor to declare that aryan invasion occured since milleniums, and the present day Arjun Singhs has lived through those times to describe it.
RE:Quota is a national socialist dogma.
by TPR on Aug 07, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
So you totally and completely deny the oppression huh? Go and read your own religious scriptures if you want proof.
So far the high castes enjoyed unofficial reservation in all sectors. They got very cheap,almost free as compared to private institutes, education and all the benefits of emloyment after that. yet nobody asked them to stay in India and work for India. The high castes are free to get quality education and pay almost nothing and go abroad. Nobody complains. Now that OBCs/SCs/STs are demanding their rightful share you all have become conscious about the return that they should pay. You enjoyed free lunch since Independence and noone held you responsibe for not paying back. If the high castes are so capable, they why are we lagging behind in all field that was, and still is controlled by them? How may nobel prize have we got? How mnay scientific discoveries have we made?
Please wake up. And let the Brahmanical arrogance die down. It needs courage to understand and admit the Indian Scoial reality and speak for the downtrodden.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
The high castes should have ensured that the lower ones fighting Jehad and are hell scared of lil things. In that case they would have worshipped their mullahs as egalatirian.
B Moharanas are oppurtinists taught from JNUs. These brokers didn;t read, instead resorted to abuse to make an argument.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
The national socialist will let you die with a diverted mind. When you are 70, he will do a revisionism, and all you will be left with is comrades in power, the issue will be diverted by himself.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
You cannot predict what will happen after a few decades. World will not be like what it is today. Communism is already vanishing from the earth due to personal greed of both common people and communist leaders. There is no need to fear of communism but do not fall prey to communalism.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
It is true that all that is given to you by politicians is to save yourself from 'communalism', which has 5 definitions depending on how it suits to the power brokers and vote banks. They wouldn't tell you the predictive progressive stuff. so find out who is diverting your otherwise diverted mind.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
Manish Kapur is a sickularist who is trained by his masters to insult hindu gods. Let he be blessed with a raw chicken.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by Nanchil on Aug 07, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
The last line in your statement shows your true characters: Arrogance and Craze for domination
I bet if you talk to me face to face you will never use these sort of language. You brahmins are always playing safely in the background. Yes most of kings were kshatriyas. What really happened was that brahmins, in the name of religion, blackmailed kings to do favour only to their community. The kings were in fact puppets at the hands of brahmins. Using the religion, brahmins dominated the society. Some samples: brahmins were not given punishment (or less given) for their crime. In the name of yaga, etc they were given good booty. They were give free food. They make the kings to enact laws to suppress so-called low-caste people.
RE:RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
Your face will sing anopther tone,if your masters change their story. Whats the use of shoeing a strength of that face ? You have some certanity as if the world was governed by an outdated political theory of economy.
The kings were not puppets untill they were defeated comprehensively by the barbrians. Some of them had excellent contribution to their states in different subjects.
About free food, All the marxist intellectuals and brokers of political and service industry gets free food and get cars too. Each society supports its respected people. Thats why the brahmins were given free food.
RE:why so much intolerance?
by Manish Kapur on Aug 07, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Well said!!The brahmins need the SC/OBC as foot soldiers to go after the muslims during riots if these Sc/OBCs are educated then who will do the rioting.
RE:RE:why so much intolerance?
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Who is doing the rioting when Karunanidhi controlled newspapers are attacked ? Manish Kapur is a killer sympathizer, he thinks it is pundits who killed kashmiri terrorists.
I'm sure the author is from cuffee parade/malabar hill. I won't abuse you but advice you to go travel and spend some time in the interiors of India.But if you dont do that but keep churning out such articles then I might have to start the abuse or if I'm patient enough ignore you completely.
RE:Yaaaaaaaaaawn
by biz Narayan on Aug 07, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
The interior of India survived onsluaght which will let go when they ger 100 rupees or somebody dressed in western clothes.
