It is niether severity of Punishment to the criminal nor the compensation one is paid to the deceased that matters to the society;but the right judgement at the right time is all that matters and our society demands it.
People with Money power, in all segment of our society claims that they can "buy" judgements (with due respect to the Court and Judiciary) in thier favour; and our society is the victim of this flaw.
Mr. Alistar's case is only a tip of ice-berg, in this process of criminalization of our ethical, moral and legal standards.
RE:JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED
by C D Tamhankar on Apr 19, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
The funniest part is our system does not prohibit him from driving vehicles.
No one has asked him, whether he has liquor license to consume? and does the party organizer has license to serve liquor?
SO we will have many occasion to utter 'History Repeats'
Where else they can sleep? Instead of discussing about the drunken driving and killing people, we are asking why they were sleeping on payments. Poor people have no place to go. By the way all of us have forgotten the paper report at the time of accident that the youth who were taken to police station had a calous attitude and were not bothered or afraid that they had done a wrong thing. Richness has gone to their head. The wrong doer must be punished. The court gave a sentence of six months, blaming the fault on police investigation. Now the high court has reopened the case, which shows how our judiciary works.
RE:Poor people sleep on payments.
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
i completely agree with you that the kids in this case havent shown remorse and deserve a much harsher punishment than what they have got and should also be fined financially. i am asking you if you would prefer ur place to be surrounded by slums ?? as long as it doesnt spoil ur place u will support poor ppl but as soon as they encroach on ur property, all this support will vanish. according to you poor ppl who have no home should stay wherever they want. it doesnt work that way
Hey! A Question to everyone? Periera got 6 months sentence for killing 7 people and injuring 13 people Assume if instead of those 7 poor people who died on the road, the victom were
What would have happened, if the above mentioned 7 people would been there instead of 7 people.... Would he be still given 6 momths improsenment or would have got a gold medal?
RE:A trivea question?
by MILIND WAIGANKAR on Apr 19, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
i should not say these words at this moment... after our world cup disaster.. the above 7 mens and some more should have been kept on the roads of west indies and should have been run away by a big oil tanker which should have 40 tyres at least on both the side... indian..
The above 7 people are also Father, Husband, Brother & friends of someone, don't write like this for anyone.If you are so upset on the defet of Indian Cricket team, you practice & play for India & get us the world cup or keep your mouth shut & clap on seeing the TV.
six month prison sentence slapped on alistair pereira is nothing but a mockery of law.the guy should be severly punished for putting an premature end to the life of not one but seven poor people.
RE:pereira case
by amit aras on Apr 19, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Yes.its a mockery. Also, if the court does not want to give him harsh punishment, the least it should do hi cancel his driving licence and drinking licence for life time..........
most of the people in this forum are coming down heavily on alistair periera and want him to be punished heavily.
I agree what he has done is entirely wrong and he should be punished. but wat punishment court has given him ( 6 months ) is i feel truly justified. He did not wish to kill anyone purposefully. It was an accident and we must remember teenagers make mistakes. By putting him behind prison for 6-7 years and spending his youth with hardcore criminals is def not going make him a better person.
Instead give him 6 month prison and ask him to do compulsory social service for a certain period of time, as courts generally do in usa. There's a slight possibility that it might make him a better person.
RE:let us change our attitude
by Ayan Roy on Apr 19, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
that's a wise thought. Pity they don't have such social service punishments in India. At least one could compensate and feel better..
RE:let us change our attitude
by Take it easy on Apr 19, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
If your thoughts are implemented in India then each and every teenager/youngster will drink and drive and kill severals, cos he will be sure that at the amx he will be behind the bars for only 6 months.
RE:let us change our attitude
by INDIAN on Apr 19, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
hohohohoh, if we dont hang this guy, then there will be no more accidents right, according to you,
see u should never eat pigshit.
atleast by hanging this guy, we r one step closer to eliminating this menace. it will put fear in guys who drink and drive.
RE:let us change our attitude
by M Costa on Apr 19, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
Hi Utkal Its pathethic you justify this 6 months punishment.Alistair caused death to 7 labourers and what about the others maimed for life.He deserves a life sentence.
What you call 'Accident'and 'Mistake' but you dont mention the fact he was drunk and therefore the punishment should be more severe.
RE:RE:let us change our attitude
by kamlesh bhatia on Apr 19, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
i would like to know how would you have reacted if 6 members from your family/frineds were killed 'accidently'. Would you still have same say.. Dear Frined its very easy to pass judgments on other.. regds Kamlesh bhatia
RE:let us change our attitude
by Lavaish Agarwal on Apr 19, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
Utkal Utkal Tu Ut Za please wake up, are you in USA, do you understand the importance of a life, he killed 7 people & one who could not see the light in this world, have you lost someone near & dear of you because of someone else mistake & on top of that Idiot Periera & his family have no shame & respect for Law & for the near & dear of the people killed, they are spending time & money to bribe Police & court getting the statement changed & no sign that they have done a huge mistake, Now you go & join Perieria Gang of Drunken driving & Killing Gang ( DDK)
RE:let us change our attitude
by INDIAN on Apr 19, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
hello mr. utkal, let us do one thing, u sleep on the pavement tonight, and i shall mistakingly drive on your stupid head and the next day shall accept that i was drunk while driving. then let us see if your family asks for the same kind punishment as u have suggested.
u got angry just by reading this right, just IMAGINE how the families of those dead guys would have felt. u care for yourself, and pray to GOD from today onwards, because u shall meet your end like them too and no one will fight for your untimely death.
everyone read the message by a pig called prags gandhi. dont u think its because of bastar*ds like these that our country is going to dogs. please reply to this guy, and let him know that at least here he cant write what comes to his dirty mind.
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
dude, why the abusive language. at least if you dont agree with anyone elses opinion, argue against it civilly. why act like a politician and throw ur weight arnd.
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by INDIAN on Apr 19, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
u call your msg opinion? thats a joke. go back and read your msg. and excuse me, u r the one who is acting like a politician, justifying killing poor people. what do u expect from others for your message, to sit across the table and argue in a civilized way. guess what, if that was to be the case, then u would expect us to even sit across the table and chat with osama bin laden. its anyway fruitless to talk to scum like u, u just understand one languse, and that is not the abusive lang that i used before, its the lang of my hand on your cheek.
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
who said i have justified killing poor ppl. pls read the 2 message carefully if you have the brains to read. i am again saying that whatever punishment is meted out to alister, its not going to change the situation unless stringent laws are made to keep ppl off the pavements and roads. and for gods sake stop acting like a local goonda
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by INDIAN on Apr 19, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
hohohoho, for your info i am a well-educated guy, and perhaps intelligent enough to see your hidden meaning in the msg. i am not a fool to accept plain arguments put forth by your crap brain. agreed that stringent laws are needed to keep ppl away from pvmts, but it seems u dont step into anyone's shoes to understand how difficult it is for them u go anywhere else. and i feel u dont want to go to the real issue, u just have to prove your stupid point. my repeated arguments with a deranged guy who doesnt know to argue, show that i am a civilized guy like u and truly wish u change your attitude and learn to respect the lives of other human beings.
my point is simple, first hang the guy, he should have had that much of senses that this is India and we cant help but accept that people sleep on pvmts, and he shoul dhve stayed clear and not drunk keeping this in mind. only then let us sit across the table and start arguing about what to do with poor labourers, may be i shall wholeheartedly accept all of your suggestions regarding that. but first hang the culprit.
ask yourself one question and be sincere to answer it, would u argue about the laws for ppl to sleep on pvmt before wanting the guy hanged, if your family had been there sleeping because they were poor and couldn afford going anywhere.
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
yes indian maybe if my family was poor and they were sleeping on the payment and some guy drove over them, even i would want to see that guy dead. the point is does being poor give you the right to encroach upon public space? how would you feel if a poor person comes and kills a person close to you for money and claims that because he is poor and he needed money he killed ? if this is india and i should learn to accept that people sleep on payments then i would have to learn to accept rape, corruption, eve teasing, bribes also just because THIS is INDIA
RE:read msg by prags gandhi
by Ayan Roy on Apr 19, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
Hi INDIAN, Why don't you take a gun, and shoot Aliston Perriera to death? Or why don't you start constructing tents and jhuggis for poor labourers to sleep in? That would be more productive, and I am not being sarcastic. There's no point shouting out on Rediff forums. Aliston should definitely be punished, quite strictly, but why should poor people HAVE to SLEEP on the footpath in the first place??
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by INDIAN on Apr 19, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
alan, i shall not do the first thing, because then people like u will be behind my head, and about the second thing, i have done quite a lot at my place, but i am no government to do that in whole of the country. so its up to u too to do something atleast building 1 house per poor family.
ALISTAIR PERIERA'S BODY LANGUAGE SHOWS CLEARLY THAT HE IS A 'I-DONT-CARE-POOR-PEOPLE-I-AM-RICH-GUY' ATTITUDE WHICH NEEDS TO BE NIPPED IN THE BUD LEST SUCH PEOPLE MAY CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO THE SOCIETY. SINCE HIS BODY LANGUAGE SHOWS THAT HE CLAIMS TO BE RICH HE SHOULD BE ASKED TO COMPENSATE FINANCIALLY 100% TO THE VICTIMS' FAMILY ATLEAST RS,5 LACS EACH, APART FROM INSURANCE CLAIM, IF ANY. THEN HE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS NOT THAT RICH. DRINKING IS ONLY FOR ENJOYMENT NOT TO SNATCH OTHER'S ENJOYMENT, MR. PERIERA.
RE:PERIERA 'S BODY LANGAUGE & INSURANCE
by sandeep kumar on Apr 19, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
Very true. I fully support you. Hope people like us do not believe in just raising the finger (commenting only) but to mean it in every aspect of life, then only our system can change.............
Mr. Prags gandhi, remove your sun glasses and look around. Do you know what is poverty? You are questioning poor labourers' right to sleep on the pavement and not that of Pereira boozing and driving at 1 A.M. People like you are responsible for having chidren like Alister Pereira around becasue you question the other person for everything your children do!
RE:sentence
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
mr kumar, i am not condoning alistair at all and looking at his smug face all the time in news papaers and tv channels makes me want to kill him on the spot. poverty is no excuse to encroach on public space all the time. how would you like it if a shanty comes right in front of ur house by ppl giving the same excuse "poverty" every open space is being encroached upon in the name of poverty. so what abt the rights of citizens who pay their taxes on time and not even get basic facilities like pavements to walk on. i dont give a damn abt alister and he should be fined the max amount and given the harshest punishment but unless the pavements and roads are free of ppl sleeping in night, there are going to be more cases like this and all may not be only because of drunken driving
RE:sentence
by s kumar on Apr 19, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Gandhi, true that no private person would allow a poor man to sleep inside his compound, the reason why they sleep on the pavements and these are the poor ones who have migrated from rural areas seeking daily labour. Just sleeping on the pavement doesnt entitle them to get killed by drunken brats. Mr. pereira would have killed anybody on that day- a shopper closing his shop, a scooterist, or a commuter getting down the bus or you, going home after later hours work!.
RE:sentence
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
for how long are we going to accept this reasoning that just being poor allows you to encroach upon public property. even china has the same population and as many poor ppl as india but nowhere in any major cities would u see ppl living on the pavement. i agree alistair was drunk and deserves the strictest punishment but if you are thinking that by punishing him, the problem will be solved, then forget it. i agree many are poor but many also get rehabilation from the govt but they sell it and again come back on roads so that they are eligible for another house on the slum rehabilation scheme. just take away the voting rights of these ppl and then see how many political parties support them
RE:sentence
by Dibu D on Apr 19, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
BMP shouldn't allow people to sleep near roads because its dangerous. Any vehicle can lose control & run over them - it could be car, lorry, bus, bike, etc. Yeah they are poor but that doesn't mean they can endanger their lives. I have to find a safe place. They shouldn't be allowed to sleep on dividers, on roads and close to roads, where they could roll on to roads. Its very difficult to spot these in ill-lit roads. Of course, drunken driver should be punished.
RE:sentence
by prags gandhi on Apr 19, 2007 03:32 PM Permalink
precisely what i am trying to say. No matter what happens to alistair, its not going to stop these deaths or accidents till the time ppl sleep on the roads.
Yes these high and mighty dont deserve any leniency.....and courts by taking suo moto cognisance shows that all are equal for justice....He took 7 lifes and should serve the families of those unfortunate 7 people for his whole life......and unless they pardon him down the line...he should forget he is alistar pereira......
RE:alister pereira hit & run case
by Anusha R on Apr 19, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
bhai saheb...it is not the question of poor or rich...justice should be equal to both...neither poor should be let go nor rich should be allowed their way to twist the case.. let law prevail and justice be done..whosoever it may be
