Free lance Jehadis must be allowed to get together instead of letting them be free lancers. It can be done by applying pressure on what they represent in a collective sense and that will force them together to add strength and singular perspective to their cause and they must be tackled from there. It's difficult to deal with individual Jundullahs. That is not war. It's chaos.
As and expert writes in the article: "September 11 was Islamism's Suez War"
That is how i believe all the sleeping Jundullahs feel. They will wake up someday. Or maybe they are pretending to be asleep though they are awake.
BJP or RSS will not come to power, if they do not have a reason. Now the reason is terrorism and religious extremism. Muslims are always united in their cause, why not we hindus? That is largely the question lingers in each and everybody's mind. This reason clicks for RSS and they unite in the name of defending from the offenders.
There are no born Hindu fanatics as such. Similarly there are no born muslim terrorists. Fanatism is fuelled by the terrorism and fanatics grow in number. Ultimately the root cause is terrorism. If it ends, I see no point for the existance of RSS other than a cultural, religious entity championing for hindu cause worldwide.
Majority Hindus are tolerant. Having said that we can tolerate terrorism and will unite to defeat it.
I take your point in speaking to Fanatics, because strong India is in the interest of all indians irrespective of their affliations
Why even innocent muslims are projected as traitors? Think dear. Terrorists do terrorism shamely in their motherland. RSS will be no more, if jihadi terrorism ends. I still wish you to speak against islamic fundamentalism, jihadi terrorism. It seems still as if you are justifying them. I think you have a job cut out. Speak to the jihadis and ask them stop atleast for the sake of the image of islam. Tell them, because of you and your deeds, we are called traitors in my loving motherland. Beg them that I love my motherland and please do not attack my motherland and let muslims live in peace co-existing with all other communities. Go Ibhrahim Go.
RE:Why innocent muslims are called traitors?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 18, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
This is the Irony, I told you that I will clarify the Mis-interpreted Muslims about true Islam, I will always do that. From your side I request you guys to advice Hindu Fanatics, to understand us, Eye to Eye, will lead to Blind India.. Destruciton is easy, creating something takes time.. I suggest that we both should work Hand in Hand, in our ends.. Good Luck Mr. Hari.... Thanks for the Positive Discussion..
RE:Why innocent muslims are called traitors?
by harifromchennai on Apr 18, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Dear Ibrahim,
BJP or RSS will not come to power, if they do not have a reason. Now the reason is terrorism and religious extremism. Muslims are always united in their cause, why not we hindus? That is largely the question lingers in each and everybody's mind. This reason clicks for RSS and they unite in the name of defending from the offenders.
There are no born Hindu fanatics as such. Similarly there are no born muslim terrorists. Fanatism is fuelled by the terrorism and fanatics grow in number. Ultimately the root cause is terrorism. If it ends, I see no point for the existance of RSS other than a cultural, religious entity championing for hindu cause worldwide.
Majority Hindus are tolerant. Having said that we can tolerate terrorism and will unite to defeat it.
I take your point in speaking to Fanatics, because strong India is in the interest of all indians irrespective of their affliations.
RE:Why innocent muslims are called traitors?
by anand ganesh on May 08, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
Ibrahim, You are a decent Guy as I have seen from many of your posts and U desire the welfare of India. But it appears that U have not studied the Quran or Hadith or Islamic history properly. Those extemists have not misinterpreted Islam. Believe me-they have rightly interpreted it. You can never convince them of your liberal views. They will cite Chapter and verse of the Quran and baffle you.
Being such a gentle and decent person, u are shocked as to how Islam can be what people are saying it to be? Even when I read the Quran first, I was shocked. I am fond of reading religious scriptures. I read Bhagvad Gita, Guru Granth Sahib, Conficianism, Bahai scriptures,and Zoroastrian scriptures and Quran. The amount of Hatred taht is spewed on non-muslims is shocking. This starts right from the seventh verse of Al-Fatihah-the first Sura of Quran.
I have no hatred against anyone. But when I see something wrong-whether it be the Hatred against non-muslims of Quran or casteist verses in Manu Smruti, I cannot tolearte it.
Ibrahim, In India everyone is got a voice and its heard and not every Hindu is a fundamentalist, if they were then we would have had bajrang dal or RSS ruling India, but Hindus are intelligent and know what is good for the country and we accept every Indian who loves India as our own, we just hate traitors, but in an Islamic country the law of Islam prevails not the humanitarian law but the law of the dark ages, so who are more sophisticated and human its just needs common sense and you would feel good that your in a country like India were a democratic society prevails
RE:Ibrahim ur views are mixed up
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 18, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
Thanks for the advice,, I respect your thoughts, I feel that many times Shariat Law is Mis used... There is nothing wrong in Mercedes Benz car (Islam) due to some rash Drivers (Fanatics) Mercedes Benz is projected as a Bad Car. I will try my best to Re-vitalize the Religion of Peace, Islam.,. Thanks
RE:Ibrahim ur views are mixed up
by Ashok Patil on Apr 19, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
Hi Ibrahim, you mean mercedez Benz with dimond studded on its skin and engine that belongs to 18 th century? There is problem with muslims fantics, and since there are muslim fantics, so there are other relegious fanatic to stop them, Its equal and opposite reaction brother,world doses not have problem with islam but muslims.
I suggest you to go to jihadi breathern and preach them peace and tell them stop killing and terrorism. You can always clean your house Dear. BJP, RSS will automatically lose their political place, if terrorism stops and will become vapour. If you are interested in humanity, you have every rights to tell your brother stop hating, killing and start love people. At least you will do good service to the future islam. Come on Ibrahim.
Do you accept why BJP came into political scenario? It is because of islamic fundamentalists giving BJP, RSS and co political space and mileage.
Dear Ibrahim, if you are championing humanity, forget about BJP, RSS. Go and preach jihadi fundamentalists and tell them do not kill and spread hatred. The rise of RSS is directly proportional to rise of islamic fundamentalists and terrorists. Go and clean your house dear. All will be set right automatically.
RE:Why BJP rise?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 18, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
You are absolutely Right thanks for the advice, I will try my best to clean the Muslims who have Mis-understood Islam - The Religion of Peace.. But at the same time, large percent of Muslims are deviating from the main stream of Patriotrism, when they are projected as Traitors and all the lies are spoken by these RSS criminals who are creating a Enemy for their Survival.... Its Tit for Tat.
RE:Why BJP rise?
by harifromchennai on Apr 18, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
Why even innocents are projected as traitors? Think dear. Terrorists do terrorism shamely in their motherland. RSS will be no more, if jihadi terrorism ends. I still wish you to speak against islamic fundamentalism, jihadi terrorism. It seems still as if you are justifying them. I think you have a job cut out. Speak to the jihadis and ask them stop atleast for the sake of the image of islam. Tell them, because of you and your deeds, we are called traitors in my loving motherland. Beg them that I love my motherland and please do not attack my motherland and let muslims live in peace co-existing with all other communities. Go Ibhrahim Go.
Mr. Ibrahim, You speak as if you are the spokesperson of jamaat-ud-dawa. And also shown pseudo sympathy on RSS on proscribing it as a terrorist outfit by US while lashing out US for its deeds in the rest of world. Where do you stand? please clarify.
RE:Where do you stand?
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 18, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
I always stand for Humanity,, I am highlighting the Manipulations in the World...These are own expressions and not spoon fed...
RE:Where do you stand?
by harifromchennai on Apr 18, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
I suggest you to go to jihadi breathern and preach them peace and tell them stop killing and terrorism. You can always clean your house Dear. BJP, RSS will automatically lose their political place, if terrorism stops and will become vapour. If you are interested in humanity, you have every rights to tell your brother stop hating, killing and start love people. At least you will do good service to the future islam. Come on Ibrahim.
Mr. Ibrahim, knowingly or unknowingly, RSS is being strenghtened and growing in numbers due to the jihadi and terrorist outfits operating in India. The bomb blasts and attacks attracting many indians to be sympathetic to RSS nowadays. While the entire world is crying foul and saying state sponsored terrorism is unleashed in Palestine, lebanon and Iraq against US and its allies, you are talking and showing a pathetic link of some organization is thinking of proscribing RSS as a terrorist outfit. See your double standards for yourself.
RE:Knowingly or Unknowingly
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 18, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
There are no Double Standards, whoever is Fountain Head for spreading Hatred I am strictly against them... When everybody accepts that there are Terrorists in Islam, the same is applicable for the Democratic Terrorists BJP and International Terrorists the US...
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by anand ganesh on May 08, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
Ibrahim, Religion or no religion-good people will do good and evil people will do evil. But under the forece of religion, good people comit evil. This is the case with terrorists who kill people in the name of Islam. Please refer to the following verse numbers of Quran:3:151,8:60,8:12,2:191,2:193,3:28,4:48,4:84,4:141;5:33;8:70;8:65,9:5.9:14,9:23,9:28,9:73,9:111,9:123. 3:151 is Surah 3 and ayat 151 of Quran and so on.
RE:Knowingly or Unknowingly
by harifromchennai on Apr 18, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
Do you accept why BJP came into political scenario? It is because of islamic fundamentalists giving BJP, RSS and co political space and mileage.
Dear Ibrahim, if you are championing humanity, forget about BJP, RSS. Go and preach jihadi fundamentalists and tell them do not kill and spread hatred. The rise of RSS is directly proportional to rise of islamic fundamentalists and terrorists. Go and clean your house dear. All will be set right automatically.
