ya wen u go to an institution like Jamia Milia Islamia (where even one of my well educated muslim frnd refused to study) then u hav an obligation to be neutral n balanced, u cant just start with full throttle against pakistan.....
Mr.Menon , you need to check the facts. India was partitioned because people residing wanted it that way. All the talk of religious tolerance is all nonsense as only Hindus have been tolerant for past 13 century giving rise to Islam. So the basic issue between India and Pakistan is nothing but the century old enimosity between Hindus and Muslims.. How can you forget the attack of Ghauri, ghazni,Timur etc..I guess you have forgotten a lot of things in your sixty years..
If you dont know Indian history then please stop commenting.
"India was partitioned because people residing wanted it that way" - India was partitioned becuase of their unprojected leaders. Indian public never voted for partition. It was an unfortunate decision taken by leaders specially becuase of clashes of jinaa, neharu. Study Indian history properly.
"... only Hindus have been tolerant for past 13 century giving ..." - Fine. Tell me any non-islamic country where Islam has given freedom to develope like India. Past 13 century if Hindus have been tolerant then It would have given birth of some dictator like HITLOR, MOUSOLINI to kill non hindus. Mind your statement.
"How can you forget the attack of Ghauri, ghazni,Timur etc..I guess you have forgotten a lot of things in your sixty years."
1. They were western ruler and they attacked India becuase it was in the east of their empire. That was only the reason because they having nothing to win in West of their empire.
2. India was golden fruit for them to win becuase it that time was well wealthed and developed. They came here to learn and loot golds and diamonds"
3. And becuase of Indian resistance they failed to go and win beyond indian territories.
Without knowing about history stop opening your mouth.
RE:Diplomatic Blah blah
by Yaqoot Mir on Apr 17, 2007 07:44 AM Permalink
let me correct you here Islam did not come to Indian because you Hindus were tolerant OK? it spread for the same reasons US ules today, military strength combined with clever politics and a general superiority in arts and culture and architecture which impressed the backward Hindus, besides it also lended a voice to the thus far ignored dalit Hindus which formed a sizable ( undestatement!) portion of your so called religion. So lets not get carried away, this is rediff ( not really credible in any reporting ) which lets comments like yours to be aired on the internet any other credible website would have asked you to just leave.
RE:Diplomatic Blah blah
by R A Sharma on Apr 17, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
u say that invaders from the west were superior in art and culture. have u heard about harappa, mohanjadero and nalanda?
RE:Diplomatic Blah blah
by Kaushik Das on Apr 17, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Haha... yaqoot... haha! 1. It is this same rediff which is allowing farcical comments like yours. So, you should be thankful to them. Besides, this is not a report but a column. . 2. Hindus have actually fought many wars in history and successfully defended foreign invasions - subsequent to which, many invaders actually adopted India and grew its culture, too. . At the time when muslims started attacking India, hindus / Indians were a progressive lot, not only in crafts, architecture, etc but in learning, too (I see you don't take pride in the learning aspect). Have you noticed the intricate carvings on Hindu temples, especially of the Deccan region? Have you seen the miniature works on the Diwara Jain temple? Have you not come across the rich paintings (there are so many schools) and literature and music and ... and... . 3. Yes, muslims defeated us in wars because they were determined to kill, come what may. They were here for the looting and at that time, due to overly buddhist influences, our soldiers lacked the killer instinct. In fact, they were your soldiers, too - your forefathers were hindus who were then tortured and converted - strange that you are taking the side of your tormentors of yore. . 4. What you are calling YOUR art and architecture are another school altogether - the Arabian school. Yes, they have produced exquisite gems in the field but I fail to realise why a paki should be proud of Arabic art and architecture. Let the arabians be proud of it. Also, art is an intangible thing - so calling one art superior to another is the work of an idle mind. Also, by the way, any pictorial depiction is BANNED in islam and hence, I am again surprised by your pride in islamic works related to images. . 5. Music - although BANNED in islam - has been contributed to by muslim artists in culture rich India. Such is the greatness of India that muslims here went (and still go) against their religion to produce marvels with the 22 shrutis (notes) in an octave. . 6. The spread of islam was greatly aided by tolerant hindus who respected humans as humans and did not try to enforce their views on others. Muslim rulers took advantage of this and forcibly converted millions. They also destroyed many temples (and universities and books!!!). Had they not done so, hindus would have trusted them more. It was this brawn headedness of muslims (that you are also displaying) that created a permanent fissure in relationships. But I am not surprised - it will require force to propagate a way of living that is not civilised.
RE:Diplomatic Blah blah
by najeeb on Apr 23, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
mr.yaqoot may i ask u just a simple question...is islam teaches to kill innocent lives? i learned quran in india it does not support killers its a peacefull religion. u know that, alone in mumbai how many poor muslim n hindu lives ur ISI bomb has taken??? when ur F16 carrying with nuke bomb crossing to india...still i have to say jai hind or pak ?? PAF doesnt know where is the muslim's home!!!!!! so, its simple...we all die by ur bomb...its clear we should support our nation who guard our lives. one more thing mr.dont waist ur time by matching india...its juz like somalia matching USA. ask ur govt.do some thing for the nation by development path...pakistan means not only lahore or islamabad...go to the villages how things are deterioting there.ppl suffering many part of pak. scarecity of water...in future there will be a water war..! Mush's kaki fellows are not wise enough to think of development.They need k problem on the move...so its their survival...otherwise there is no mercidez or BMW by their own.jai hind!! najeeb.
How long our foreign Secretary will discuss and there is no conclusion. When we discuss among the foreign secretary immediately some fundamental forces killed our innocent people and Inida reacts strongly but after some time again discussion started. What is the outcome I do not know. Moreover Pakistan main aim is Kashmir which we never will give and at the same time their core issue is kashmir only remaining all are not much important as well as adjustable mutually. Why not both the country accept the present status of LOC and accept the fact and no more talk in kashmir. WE also know that huge amount both the countries are spending their armys and our encommy is also effected. WE should go in reality.Don't make unnecessary plunge in this issue.
RE:A nice perspective.
by ashok iyer on Apr 16, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Dear who will accept our view. All politicans in both country wanted gimmicks only really they donot want to settle the kashmir problem. so that they will be in picture and there a chance to looting the money from country Treasure .
