RE:great Indian army
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
muslims are almost in every countris of the world. if they are not oppressed they dont create problem to any body as they are peace lovers. if they are given trouble then you have the most deadly enemy you can ever have. a peace lover will change to the war lover till there is not oppression.
RE:[object]
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 10:06 PM Permalink
What you mean by oppression, as you said earlier doing some security checkup, you are telling those checkups as oppression to kill more muslims by sending millitants from foreign soil!!! Stay out of our people!!! Mind your business!!!
RE:We are back with bang
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
first you have some shame in spreading rumours. you like people are big threat to the peace...
hope you will do something more than just copy and paste in your life. while marrying your woman and meeting her dont do this copy and past business...:)...*smile** please dont feel offended i am just joking...
I too was humiliated by a soldier when I visited Vaishnu Devi temple...so should I also start to demand soldiers should be removed from vaishnu devi temple....we all know this will be sense less....as Vaishnu devi temple will be the first target of militants...
Soldiers are trained to have discipline and maintain those standards...hence we should not be surprised that a soldier humililates someone at the drop of a hat....to maintain peace locals have to bear to follow discipline standards...
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
soldiers and discipline??!! are you kidding. they are only taught to murder and get award for their bravery, even if the mudered person is a weak civilian. if you meet any soldier in train then you will know the real trauma of the kind of the soldier we have in our country. descipline only means to shout YES SIR for them. but when comes the time for respect for age, care for woman (of course not their own), love for child and mercy for weak they are most inhuman person i have ever seen. and while doing this they dont see any race, religion and region so you remember my words when you meet any soldier in your train journey. if you meet the complete bunch of them, then rest assured the joy of your whole journey is spoiled. you will feel difficulty even to come out of your compartment and fetch some water for your kid as the doors are blocked with thier big boxes. they do block even the passage inside the train and talk a little bit to them and you can receive any kind of assault from them. but you must not feel angry, after all they are the great protectors of our land.
RE:[object]
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace.. by hello on Apr 11, 2007 10:00 PM dEAR (deaf ear) Golden, Listen, the problem in J&K is terrorist operating from foreign soil, to protect that, we need to have some checkup needed. You telling the checkup as a torture or any other way from foreign country & crocodile tears, I understood, you are prying for more innocent people by sending the military out of J&K & give people to militants!!! Let the situation normal, then we think about de-militarization!!!
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by deepak shukla on Apr 11, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
You r right Mr.Haresh.Those people who point fingers at soldiers should understand the conditions in which our soldiers have to work to safeguard the interests of our country away from their families.Some times such things happen due to frustration,but everyone should understand their feelings and think about soldiers also.
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
dear goldy....it seems you are not grateful for having secure borders and leading a simple life...or you seem to be an outsider...
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by yadav on Apr 11, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
Golden, There are some train incidents involving the soldiers. what do u say about the soldiers who fought with Pakistanis in 1948,64 and 71 and 99 Kargil and saved our country. lot of them have died for their motherland. If they are not guarding our borders then where is our safety.?
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
safety is not acceptable on the cost of humiliation and continuous torture of our own people. it is like Gabbar... gabbar se tumhein sirf ek admi bacha sakta hai, woh sirf gabbar. if i am continuously living like a prisoner then how does it matter if the ruling person over me is india or pakistan. if i am not able to feel my freedom and safty then how does it matter who is oppressing me, india or pakistan. even if you protect me you have to got no right to oppress and harrass me and rob me off my feeling of safety. think with your mind if you have some thinking capacity. i am an engineer, can i take bribe and sell some secrets to my rival company just because i am doing good job for my company, can i harrass my fellow members because i am a good employee to my company. my dear brother situation have changed, unfortunately these armies are still living in the samatwaadi pratha. if the security person of my company misbehaves with me, he will be fired. he cant give logics like you are giving. we all are important in this global arean of duties. we all do our duties in our own area and every body is important. if a kisan doesnt produce grain then will these soldiers (who are so called protecting our borders) survive by eating their bullets and guns? now can a kisaan misbehave with a slodier just because he is producing some thing on which soldier is surving? these are all rubbish. we must accept that today army has gone berserk. it has got power in their hand and they dont give up any chance to use it, be it against out enemies or against ourselves itself.
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
dEAR (deaf ear) Golden, Listen, the problem in J&K is terrorist operating from foreign soil, to protect that, we need to have some checkup needed. You telling the checkup as a torture or any other way from foreign country & crocodile tears, I understood, you are prying for more innocent people by sending the military out of J&K & give people to militants!!! Let the situation normal, then we think about de-militarization!!!
RE:Locals have to bear the discipline standards of soldiers in return for peace..
by raj mohan on Apr 11, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Dear Golden, I'm agreeing with you... Everybody else saying that Army is predicting people. But you view is they are taking advantage in the name of giving security to people. Well take. But do you think by removing Army from J&K will give you solution... Would you like terrorist from Pak/Chechan to rule J&K. Is that only J&K is the only border of our country, we have other border also, like, Rajasthan, Assam, etc. but why we have problem in J&K only (in the name of Muslim%u2019s) NOT BECAUSE ONLY THERE IS WE HAVE MUSLIMS. IT%u2019S BECAUSE OF PAKISTAN creating a illusion, that they are the savers of MUSLIMS and try to shown the WORLD that there is a problem of HINDU and MUSLIM problem. IF that is true the whole country will be under fire since INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE MORE THEN PAKISTANIS in count. MUSLIMS ARE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT SOME PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF COUNTRY TO TAKE THE ADVANDTAE making problem between HINDU & MUSLIM in INDIA.
President's rule should be imposed in J&K...this will bring the politicians who are demanding troop withdrawal for their own vested political interested in J&K in line...
I visited kashmir as a tourist in the last week of march 2007. As a common man I can state that J&K still need support of the army. However, the locals are still being harassed by BSF & CRPF personnel NOT ARMY. The security personnel are rude and humliate the locals at the drop of a hat. As a tourist I didnt share a good experience even at the airport. And I have every reason to believe what the locals must be going thru. But yes regarding the withdrawl of troops per se it is cetainly not advisable.
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
My dear friend Vijay Bhatia...I too was humiliated by a soldier when I visited Vaishnu Devi temple...so should I also start to demand soldiers should be removed from vaishnu devi temple....we all know this will be sense less....as Vaishnu devi temple will be the first target of militants...
RE:[object]
by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Soldiers are trained to have discipline and maintain those standards...hence we should not be surprised that a soldier humililates someone at the drop of a hat....to maintain peace locals have to bear to follow discipline standards...
RE:[object]
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
soldiers and discipline??!! are you kidding. they are only taught to murder and get award for their bravery, even if the mudered person is a weak civilian. if you meet any soldier in train then you will know the real trauma of the kind of the soldier we have in our country. descipline only means to shout YES SIR for them. but when comes the time for respect for age, care for woman (of course not their own), love for child and mercy for weak they are most inhuman person i have ever seen. and while doing this they dont see any race, religion and region so you remember my words when you meet any soldier in your train journey. if you meet the complete bunch of them, then rest assured the joy of your whole journey is spoiled. you will feel difficulty even to come out of your compartment and fetch some water for your kid as the doors are blocked with thier big boxes. they do block even the passage inside the train and talk a little bit to them and you can receive any kind of assault from them. but you must not feel angry, after all they are the great protectors of our land.
RE:[object]
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
you are not a good reader. where did mr. bhatia suggested to withdraw the troops. he is only poiting out on the illegal advantages of the situation and over misuse of their power given to them which they take to harrass the people. if they can do people from other part of india then think about the suffering of the local people.
RE:[object]
by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:37 PM Permalink
dear goldy....it seems you are not grateful for having secure borders and leading a simple life...or you seem to be an outsider...
RE:[object]
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
border is nor secured because of those oppressing and harrassing personnel. i am for sure when the time comes these will be the first one to sell india and its secrets. remember the Lt. General Kapoor who sold indian map of army camps to pakistan for some petty amount of money.
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
Understood, terrorist those who are operating from foreign soil, come like ordinary people in order not to distinguish them from others, It is the duty of the security personnel to have some checkups!!! We shouldn't consider those checkups like oppression, understand you senseless golden animal!!!
You are the same person, blame the security personnel when terrorist attack people and demand more checkup in another forum!!!
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
hey goldy....u too seem to be a bad reader...I never said, Mr. Bhatia said to withdraw the army...My response was to the point mentioned by vijay bhatia that at the drop of hat, locals are humiliated....whereas my statement regarding withdrawing of army was not a response to any body's statement it was a general statement justifying non withdrawal of troops...
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
here is what you tuped...: RE:Troops in Kashmir by haresh talreja on Apr 11, 2007 09:23 PM My dear friend Vijay Bhatia...I too was humiliated by a soldier when I visited Vaishnu Devi temple...so should I also start to demand soldiers should be removed from vaishnu devi temple....
if you still think that you are not relating what i said then just msg onece more and i shall agree. any way i am not a good man in english, but i do understand upto some extent and what i understand is you are denying bhatia's demand of troop withdrawal. any way i dont want to argue... one thing i want to make clear to every one that every body gets freedome sooner or later. britishers could not hold us for the eternity and so shall happen to kashmir also. in fact azadi and freedom is the birth right for every human and this will come to every body sooner or later, whether pakistan oppressing baluchistan or india oppressing kashmir or any such thing happening any where. FREEDOM MUST COME TO EVERY COMMON MAN. if no body accepts the indian rule on them in kashmir, i dont see why there should be any indian rule in kashmir.
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
When we go by Air line, we need to bear the security checkup!!! I surely co-operate w/ security checkup for a safe journey!!! We shouldn't think security checkups as a headache!!! When some misap happens, we blame the same police, why they didn't check properly, why they allow this, that!!! We shouldn't blame the police or Army for doing their job, we should co-operate to not to blame them during misap!!!
RE:[object]
by Golden on Apr 11, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
security doesnt mean i shall be rude with you. and for your kind information no body oppose the security checkups, in fact no body can when there are 10 gunmen with AK47 are waiting for any chance to use them. rude behaviour, maltreatment and harrasing in the name of security measure is definitely a problem to the society. and leave the rapes and fake murders done by army and CRPF alone.
RE:Troops in Kashmir
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Also, some people visit multiple places of India to tell false stories, we should not get or believe these stories, be strong, be unite!!!
RE:demilitarisation in the state
by hello on Apr 11, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
Demilitarisation in the state w/ 1300 to 1500 millitants (40% of them from foreign) is NOT a good idea w/ these number of millitants!!! Let the situation improves, we slowly de-militarize!!!
Governor of J&K has rightly stated that demilitarisation issue shd not be politicised. Army can go back to barracks only after normalisation of the situation.
