u have many options--1st wipe out CREAMYlayer (CRIMINALS)--vpsingh arjunsingh lalus paaswans sharadyadvas karunanidhis jayalalithas communists reddys mulayams mayawatis and then consult KBC and i assure u SC would consider yr options with a rider that no reservation on caste and religion basis beside zero repeated reservation to any individual--come on congress particulary--do not disintegrate country--lalitkumar
RE:yes u have options---consult KBC
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
y do u demand reservation on the basis of religiou minority in Kashmir alone? if u seriously advocate the policy of no division or oness u shud also follow....don demand
RE:yes u have options---consult KBC
by HP on Apr 10, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Edwin does not seem to know any facts but just repeats things he has caught up somewhere along the way. Maybe that is why he would need reservation, cause logic and research are not his cup of tea.
To answer the question about reservation for Kashmiris (and it is not only for Brahmins!) it is an opportunity for them to study as they cannot study in their home state (which has no institutions left). The same goes for people in other disputed territories like Belgaum in Karnataka and so on.
Despite my answer I doubt this dork will understand it.
Guys please understand that if a category is reserved it does not mean that any tom dick and harry can avail the quota. you need to fulfill certain criteria. For ex. In Tamil nadu we have 69% quota. but the difference in qualifying mark between reserved and general category is just 0.24 marks......
Does this .24 make somebody more superior and somebody less brilliant...no.......
We need to come out of the notion that all reserved category students rae not brilliant.....they are brilliant......
Some of the best colleges and business schools have quotas for more than 4 decades and they have been producing finest minds...
If you say that it divides the society...yes, to certain extent....burt it also helps bridge the gap between the "so called upper caste and the lower one if any.
Finest colleges like IITs, IIMs, anna university and all NITs (RECs)do have reservation and have been good consistently academically and socially...
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by shyamala shanker on Apr 10, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Hello in Tamil nadu 87% of population is OBC .so the competition is between OBC's only as OBC's are also part of general.Forward category genarally are staying away as there is really no chance of them getting into Government colleges .Try competing with at thhe national level ya and dont ask for props
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
if yiu go by your own figure of 87%....do they represent adequately? out of 100 people in a office 80 will of upper caste...there comed inequality...that is what the govt is fixing it......87% needs to come to atleast 50% in education and jobs
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by gaurang soni on Apr 10, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
The basic question is , If you say that there is only 0.24 marks difference between General Category and reserved category , then why should you have to use quota ?
If the guy is good enough he / she will definately be selected.
RE:RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by Manmadhan Pillai on Apr 10, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Then why should u have reservation. Compete with others and get in the slot. For quite sometime, everybody who is somebody is raising the bogey of reservation, quota etc.etc. The so called forward caste full of economically and socially backward peo9ple. Nobody talks about them. R they not the citizens of this country. Every tom, dick and harry in the political field wants reservation for minorities,and obcs who are now socially and economically well off. Sixty years after independence, thisspoon feeding did not stop. Yes. the politicians require their peice of cake and eat it too at the cost of others. I implore those advocating reservation to stop this hypocracy and give financial helps to the need to come up in the ladder. It is real looting off the so called high castes(only in name and not in reality).
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by simply on Apr 10, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
The people of so called forward class need to be pushed back, that is why quota is required. Now this question might have appeared into your mind, why to push them? Well the answer is: the same thing (quota)that these bacwards are getting(to some extent) now a days(in the hands of corrupt rulers), you people were getting for thousand of years earlier. I am pointing out the injustice done to these backwards for centuries. They were not allowed inside a school, not allowed to touch a book even. How you raise questions about their welfare. They have quota in educational instituions, you people had that in every feild earlier: e.g. the backwards were not allowed to have any property as only forwards could keep that. If any poor was seen to be having it, the cruel rulers would disown that person from his property or would destroy that. WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ? WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ? WAS NOT THAT THE RESERVATION ?
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by L L on Apr 11, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
Yes simply, that was Reservation. And that reservation affected someone badly. So what do you want today? Revenge? Khoon ke badle khoon? And whose blood? The ones who practised reservation are all dead and gone ages ago, leaving us cursed with their unjust ideology. And that's precisely the demon we are all fighting. The people who made the reservations are all gone and we don't have to carry on the same now. We need to create a better world for us and our children, a more equal world, without nobody being ever asked their caste or creed. If you think reservation will help you take your revenge, you are wrong. You would only be discriminating against yourself more by calling yourself an OBC candidate to avail the benefits you imagine you can get. What is the difference between you and the people who you think did the wrong against you and your forefathers in all these centuries? Let's bury these reservations along with the people who created them and let's live ina n equal world of equal caste. Its possible, if we all think the same.
RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Mr.illai...you shud know a fact...in tamil nadu there is college or B school called BIm...they will consider u for admissin only if u r a PILLAi... i am the affected party...what do u say for this?
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by L L on Apr 11, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
For this very reason, Mr. Edwin, you should be saying 'No' to reservations. How can you do to others what you yourself hate to have suffered? Tomorrow, somebody else's child would be facing the same, and would feel the same like you do today. How can Reservations ever be a solution to this problem? The only solution is to do away with all discriminations. Treat all equal, and nobody would be hurt.
RE:RE:Reservaion doesn't mean less brilliant
by Manmadhan Pillai on Apr 10, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
I am not from TN, but since you told about the admission to the school/B school, pl tell me the name of the institution where only PILLAIs are getting admission. I shall see to Zthe fact.
Why this reservation issue comes before every election? What the successive Govt. at the Centre have done for the last 60 years for upliftment of the backward people when reservation was given for first ten years only. Why this issue has been allowed to conntinue ? Reservation is liniked to votes. No party would servive without reservation. In India it would be very dificult to abolish this reservation system because no party would take the risk to abolish the system. Since the Governments at the centure could not do anything for the last 60 years, they would never be able to do anything. We the upper caste people will continue to languish and the plight of our children will be evern serious as each STate Govt. and the Centre Government intend to increse the per centage of reservation on sily grounds.
RE:Reservation
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Politically they may wrong...if you sit and analyse the effects, those are very positive....just think of a country which only has brahmins or lower caste...will it prosper? we need everybody and it shud be inclusive growth....let s try to give a chance
RE:Reservation
by L L on Apr 11, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Exactly edwin, let's give ALL of us an equal chance, without asking anybody what caste they belong to. All we need to ask is if the person can pass the tests for higher education and jobs. there aren't separate tests for 'upper castes' and 'lower castes'. Its the same test. So, either someone who has the merit or the money is getting through. And if you think merit and money are only with the 'upper caste' you may be grossly wrong. we only need to weed out the money power and allow everyone to compete on their merit, and then help those who could not make it on their merit. If 50:50 is your mantra, so is everyone's here. Everybody wants equality.
Hey people!! just look at the zeal and ardor shown by the government in bringing and passing the Quota bill. Just think about the contrast with Women's reservation bill in Parliament. Our parliament is a plce where more than 40% people have some case filed against them in some court or the other. These very people are supposed to make laws for the people in large. What else can you expect from these blood-thirsty people?
Unfortunately...majority in India agree to the OBC quota...readers of this article on rediff are mainly non-OBC's..so the majority of OBC's dont even read these articles or the comments...so bhai log..its waste commenting in here
RE:Unfortunately...
by Sunirmal Chakraborty on Apr 10, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
I found that at least one reader from the OBC Bloc has gone this article and remarks on this. That is enough
RE:Unfortunately...
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
this is the plight of the OBCs in this country...we used to be just 20% in any office or educational institutions earlier...it is almost 50% now...thanks to reservation we will make it to 80%
RE:RE:Unfortunately...
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
absolutely.....the media and the entire industry is dominated by non OBCs...that needs to be changed....we need equal representation so that things will be fair
RE:Unfortunately...
by L L on Apr 11, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
That's precisely the wrong picture Arjun Singh has portrayed and is hoping to get away with. Silence is taken for an 'yes', and majority of the Indians remain silent on vital issues, until a revolution builds up; history has shown this. The ones who agree are actually supporting the benfits they 'think' they will get out of it, without knowing that it will only do them more harm than good. And dear edwin, all industries today dominated by the go-getters who have had good education right from their school. And that's precisely what I ask for, good education for ALL of us right from our school. What good will a higher education seat do to a person who hasn't even learnt his primary school lessons well, OBC or non-OBC. Don't take it personally, the debate is not against any one section, its against the idiocracy mr Singh is advocating to ruin us all, regardless of our caste or creed.
RE:Kick Congress (UPA) from Center
by edwin on Apr 10, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
it is not divisive..it is an unaddressed reality...it is slowly addressed asa result the share of non upper caste is increasing in every field
