I just heard from reliable sources that Indian government is soon going to have reservations in trains, buses, airplanes etc based on your caste. So before you take oe book a seat in these vehicles you have to show your cast card to bus Conductor, Ticket Checker and Airhostess.
RE:Beware of dirty politicians
by pungi on Apr 08, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
Agree with you Aryaputra. Irony is that they are doing this to get votes and they are losing election after election.
T he supreme court of india is doing lot of good work in negating the legeslations made by parliament and assemblies only keeping vote bank in view.the idea of giving more weight is alright but how many of our elected reprsentatives are deserves to be in that august houses.criminals, terrorists , black marketars, land grabbers, scammesters,brokers and what not are getting elected to these hoses on strength of muscle and money power.the so called laws passed by them are only to keep their intrests at topbut not public intrest. ours is a democratic country only on paper.at times one fells shy call our self democrats.the types of scams taking place in the country and involvement of politicians of different levels indicates that democracy will nioot solve problms.an immiedete action like hanging fellows involved in scamsis only the solution. had there not be a check like supreme court the country might have been mortogaged by this time.
RE:T he so called judicial activisom
by Palakkadan on Apr 08, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
Do you think the corruption is only in Politics? Our judiciary system itself is corrupted. Even Chief Justice himself admitted it. So the movement against corruption is a must which should be made very soon!
RE:T he so called judicial activisom
by qwer on Apr 08, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Dear Palakkadan, you are right, but just by putting comments on rediff.com, we cannot start a movement against corruption be it in government, judiciary or any other institution...
RE:T he so called judicial activisom
by DoIKnow on Apr 08, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
As you said, corruption is not only in politics but also is legislature. Same goes for backwardness..it's not only in case of OBC or SC or ST...it's there in others as we and hence financially backward classes should be uplifted not a particular community...
the burgeoning and elite middle/upper class of india are trying very hard through the 9 percent growth story to join the world's elite somwhere up there in the stratosphere. It is this class which percieve's the voice's and concern's of the poor,underprivileged and depresed classes expressed by their elected representatives as a hindrance in their continuing sucesses story. thus a concerted effort is made by this class to undermine the very notion of democracy by maligning its primier institute the parliament and the poor masses representatives. The unaccountable judiciary comprising and sympethatic to the interests of these privileged elite lot is playing its part by further suppressing the cries of india's depressed lot through strucking down all reformist pro poor legislation enacted by the parliament. The recent judgments on big dam's, reservation, and ninth shedule are a case in point.
RE:dont blame people's representatives...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is far worse
by qwer on Apr 08, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
harjeet paaji....well said, but your words seem to be copied from the speech delivered by a member of the so called premier institute the parliament (in our school the toilet was also called the parliament)....you are right, the so called underprivileged (seems you are also part of it)...voices and concerns are hindrance to the growth story of hardworking people like us....the so called underprivileged people like you are finding a short cut to success through reservations..but my dear harjeet paaji, let me tell you the truth....there is no short cut to success...even if you manage to encroach the elite institutes through reservations....you will remain backward even after passing out of the elite institute (say in 10-15 yrs)...then you will ask for reservations in MNCs and reputed companies for jobs...even if you manage to get in there....you will remain backward in workforce without any promotions and salary raise..then your Netas will promulgate a law for reservations in the promotions and salary increments....lets say you have got 27% reservations in the promotions and salary increments...by this time you will be a liability and a burden for the company...no company would like you to work but remain in their payrole just for the heck of it...finally you will be a burden for the country as a whole just like how the parliament is now....then there will be a revolution brought by the so called forward castes and demand a seperate country only for upper castes...cause by this time....they must have taken enough of S**t of so called underprvileged group of people like you...
Now..lets see the effects of reservations in the Medicine...lets say you have encroached the Medical institue AIIMS through reservations...you will manage to clear the institute in say 10-15 yrs...you will not get jobs in any of the elite private hospitals...you may get jobs in government or muncipal hospitals again through reservations...then your Netas will create reservations in private hospitals....lets say you get into private hospitals through reservations...then patients will not be ready to take treatment from you since they will not have confidence in you...as you have through out your life have been failures and have come to this stage through reservations...then your netas will create reservations by enforcing 27% patients should be treated by so called underprivilaged...finally...as said above...people will be tired and frustrated by the service delievered by you and the Netas sitting in the parliament....and will bring out a revolution that will divide the country again into two...so prepare yourself paaji cause....I am preparing myself for that revolution now...dont be caught unaware...
Beware Indians - Using the jokers Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherji, Arjun Singh and Shivraj Patil - probably Sonia Italiano may even declare an Emergency a-la-Indira Gandhi.
Was this a veiled threat to judiciary by Manmohan Singh, the favorite poodle of Sonia?
No wonder that Politics is a dirty game played by dirty people.IS GAME NE TO ACHCHE ACHCHONKO BARBAAD KIYA HAI! Consider this: Rahul Gandhi(?) says a true Gandhi progeny heading the Central Govt would not have allowed the Babri structure to be demolished. Manmohan Singh says that PVN Rao was a saint. Public (including perhaps Dr Singh)is aware that Rao survived by buying M.P's thru bribing SHIBU SOREN etc. Dr Singh never fought an election and PM-ship is gifted to him by -like Lalu gifted his CM-ship to Rabri who was summoned from the kitchen when Laloo finally failed in his attempt to escape Jail!- that great Balidaani who never cared for any power for herself(?!!!)and annoints Dr Singh. Dr Singh in turn claims to be an Assami by virtue of getting a Rent Reciept for a flat of a Congressman(CM?) It is perhaps natural for Manmohan Singh to advise Judiciary not to overstep! WHAW! What a Country! What Politics!
the burgeoning and elite middle/upper class of india are trying very hard through the 9 percent growth story to join the world's elite somwhere up there in the stratosphere. It is this class which percieve's the voice's and concern's of the poor,underprivileged and depresed classes expressed by their elected representatives as a hindrance in their continuing sucesses story. thus a concerted effort is made by this class to undermine the very notion of democracy by maligning its primier institute the parliament and the poor masses representatives. The unaccountable judiciary comprising and sympethatic to the interests of these privileged elite lot is playing its part by further suppressing the cries of india's depressed lot through strucking down all reformist pro poor legislation enacted by the parliament. The recent judgments on big dam's, reservation, and ninth shedule are a case in point.
RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by CY BA on Apr 08, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
True... its time to democratization of judiciary from it age old pro-upper-caste attitude%u2026
RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
if in past few ppl made wrong decisions tht dosent mean we have to make the same wrong decisions here in present...if someone jumped in a gutter it dosent mean even u will jump ryt??
RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by pungi on Apr 08, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
So called Harpreet Singh, if there are some more people like you and if the so called elected representatives continue to have their say unchecked, this country is sure to go for civil war. We dont need pakistan or china to destroy us.
RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
do u have any justification for providing reservations to the rich creamy layer OBC people???
dont fool urself...the reservation proposed by the government will never reach the poor...its just votebank politics..ultimately the rich creamy layer obc ppl will take away the seats and poor obc's remain in the same state...this is what has been happening since long
RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by CY BA on Apr 08, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
what is the justification for the people form Upper-Caste are owning everything in India?
RE:RE:dont blame people's representative's...the elitist unaccountable judiciary is worse
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 07:58 PM Permalink
if at all they own something it is thru their merit and hardwork.. but it nt answer to my question.. why creamy layer needs reservation.. till now u were also sup reservation for poor backeward ppl...now wat hap???y do u want reservation also for creamy layer??
I have gone through the messages posted here and realised majority of the suggestions are against the reservation of socially backward communities (27% OBC reservation). I am also not in favour of community based reservation; Money also should be taken into account. I want to bring your notice to some unnoticed persons. They are unprivileged! Their voice is very low%u2026..almost difficult to hear! They even don%u2019t know plenty of laws made for them! They don%u2019t know they have the right to use road to walk! They are unaware that they are also having the right to vote! They are unaware that they are also citizens of India and eligible for the rights of citizens!
They are under privileged! They don%u2019t have voice!!
Everybody would like India to be emerged as No. 1 economy in world; but that should not be done by sacrificing the lives of the underprivileged ones in our villages. You can build big dams but should not deny the basic rights of the voiceless citizens of our country. Dams on Narmada river and recent attack on villagers in west Bengal for building factory are some of the examples. Millions suffer in Narmada project. The persons who suffer are voiceless. Medha patkar become the voice of them in this context. That is the importance of MedhaPatkar who raised voice against Government in Delhi, State governments and other Dam beneficiaries. Do you understand the real danger of the inhabitants along the River Narmada? They face homeless situation. They face non-job situation. Will it be a small issue if a government servant lost his job without any significant reason? In Narmada, there are millions who loss their beloved things. Their needs are not known as they are voiceless. Here the people find it difficult to understand why only smaller amount of people support reservation. The answer is simple%u2026. they are not even in a position to understand whatever your column suggests%u2026.so should I find any reasons why they do not respond? So there are plenty of underprivileged communities existing in India who are certainly needing reservation. If the persons who attend here oppose it by their strength in number is not the real cross-section of opinions of the citizens of India!
RE:Some of the respondents need to scrutinise
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
Mr.palakadan.. whatever u have written is abt those backward caste people who are poor... i believe these poor people are to be given reservation.. i have maintained in my previous posts and will maintain here as well that reservation is must but only for those who are economically backward..economically backward people are present not only in backward category like SC,ST and OBS but also in General unreserved category.. reservation should be given not according to the caste but only to those who r economically backward irrespective of their caste or creed... cos wht as seen till now is that the rich reserved category people takes away the seats and poor is becoming more poorer.. there is no justification for providing reservation for creamy layer OBC people...the only justificaiton can be tht the politicians are playing dirty votebank politics..
RE:Some of the respondents need to scrutinise
by Palakkadan on Apr 08, 2007 07:42 PM Permalink
Mr. Aravind I expected your comment! Good!! Dont you know the history of India. it was highly caste sensitive society here. The reservation provided for economically backward people doesn't help those who are behind in other areas. The forward people is enjoying other social benefits which the community backward people lack. They were not in a position to become a part of mainstream of the society. The discrimination over a period of centuries made them not to come light! The reservation (community) made majority of them in the main stream. We need to continue it till all backward persons live in the main stream society.
RE:[object]
by Palakkadan on Apr 08, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
One more thing Mr. Aravind, the creamy layer is not only for community backwardness. It also take earning of the family in to account.
RE:Some of the respondents need to scrutinise
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
i knew u were aiming for me... i have already mentioned the point tht the current reservation scheme proposed by government dosent provide anything to poor..if it wanted to provide reservations only for poor then it wouldnt have included the creamy layer for reservations... no politicians wanna help poor...dnt u realise by providing the 27% reservation they really intend to give reservation to the creamy layer obc ppl instead of poor..the poor will become more poorer... if at all the government is thinking of uplifting the poor then dnt provide reservations to the ceamy layer... provide reservations to anyone only of the basis of their economy..thts wat i wanna say..
RE:[object]
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
ppl comming under creamy layer are those backward caste people who are rich and are above the poverty mark..and are nt economically backward..those among creamy layer SC & ST people avail no reservations..they r treated as unreserved people...All SC & ST people till now have to provide a non-creamy layer certificate so as to avail reservation...y to provide reservations for creamy layere OBC ppl only??
RE:RE:Some of the respondents need to scrutinise
by urs somone on Apr 08, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
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I think many people do not understand as to what a democratic republic really is. It's not just rule of the majority. If that's the case it would just be a mobocracy.
In a republic there are certain inalienable God given rights that are guaranteed protection. Nobody can infringe on these ever. Thus every new law is subject to the test as to whether it goes against the fundamental rights of the individual or not. Hence it is the right of the judiciary that every law is subject to judicial review and no law or amendment to the Constitution can be brought in that violates the fundamental principles enshrined and guaranteed by the Constitution itself. Nobody can overturn fundamental priciples of justice, not even by majority opinion.
RE:Republic and democracy
by CY BA on Apr 08, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Ram Mandir, Gujarat riots - mobocracy - one caste specially wanted with mob power... not democratic way...
Reservation Issue - democracy - majority (which dont have access to TV, Media, Internet) is seeking justice here...
come one - dont talk about justice... you lost moral ground to talk about justice..
RE:Republic and democracy
by Manoj on Apr 08, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
We're talking about whether the Judiciary can oppose the executive bringing in laws that are fundamentally unjust or not. It can and it should; that's all that I'm saying.
RE:Republic and democracy
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Mr.CYBA ETC...the which majority among the creamy layer OBC people dont have access to TV,media and internet?? There is no justification for providing reservation for the creamy layer and rich people.. reservation is to be provided only to the poor and needy irrespective of caste and creed.. dont sound biased but sound little realistic and true..dont make up things and write them...
RE:Republic and democracy
by CY BA on Apr 08, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
well... realistic? --- man... take 100 poor from the road of Mumbai (I am not even talking about villages here) any where in India... ask there caste? if you find 5% belong to upper caste I will join Y4E... with you...
RE:Republic and democracy
by Arvind on Apr 08, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
dude u r talking abt poor......there is a diference b/w rich and poor i guess....
hope u relise tht even in OBC's there r rich OBC's who come under the creamy layer and poor OBC's come under non creamy..if the government was really interested in upliftment of the so called poor obc's then they wud have not proposed reservations to creamy layer obc's...dont get fooled..u have brains..use it...acc to the government proposed resrvations, the rich obc's will avail the reservations and poor obc's will remain poorer...and those 100 workers will remain in the same state... thts wat im saying from such a long time..just tht u din wanna understand... give reservation to only poor...not on caste basis...got it
