Now this is the only thing which was left, after communal riots, now you are giving rise to another way of dividing people. We agree that in some aspects south has really progressed, but there is no way you can underestimate the contribution of North. Instead of discussing some valuable things together, we are dividing our selves in north and south. This is the last thing or last rubbish thing i would like to discuss. Now you are talking region wise, after a while it will start state wise and than city wise and so own...start discussion family wise. Thats cool way of engaging your self. Have a nice time guys... But BEWARE OF THE RESULT......
All the mention about how the Vijayanagar empire protected the south and helped the south keep its culture intact might be true but it hardly has any relevance in the current seamless and networked world. A lot has been written about 'North India' and 'South India" to such an extent that there is this stigma against 'Madarasis' anywhere north of Hyderabad and against "North Indians" to anyone from north of the Vindhyas in the southern states. Even in the responses to this article we can see shades of this antagonism. Its more fostered on us than something thats real.
I think it would be more sensible for the media to work towards bridging this divide in our country. It might do a world of good to India if we start identifying ourselves as just Indians. A touch of nationalism might not do us harm at all.
The fact is whole of India is in development mode i do not agree that only south Indian states are progressing The author has limited view of only Bnaglore and Hyderabad he does not seem to have travelled in other parts of state ,The people outside so caaled metros are equally poor in all over India We will not gain anything by this debate this ploy of website to get more hits
its quite true that the south tpday is much more advanced than the north...and as rightfully pointed out by the author, its all becuase the north shielded it from invasions and wars...the south enjoyed considerable times of peace during which it could prosper.
Hi, Thee writier is correct in dwelling upon the +ves which are contributing to the South's retentio of the culture & civilisation. But one has to keep in mind the alround improvement of the state of affairs in south is more due to the commitment of the few people who went beyond their way to prove that things can be changed. Its not to do with the entire south as such, despite me being a ssouth indian i am of this tought as the changes which you see are quite into few pockets. Also there are many places which have quite a number of problems.
Rajeev:: First of all it seems you are not only less "educated", but also arrogant which is out of ignorance. You need to read India's history well, have tolerance for all parts/cultures of India and really feel yourself proud being an Indian. Political writings (your title is apt : Shadow Warrior) like these does not go a long way.
Above all, I would ask the Rediff guys to stop publishing these articles which is full of vandalism and hollow material. Its a sheer shame that you are operated and allowed to write these, just because your country allows you do so.
This is being Indian. Most of the South Indians (And I really feel bad for them as this is due to political propaganda) you meet outside, be it Wasignton/Tokyo (whenever I meet them during travel), will burst in his language and the identity is always local. It is so shameful. But you meet anybody else, they will tell they from India first, not XXX state. Also, I can talk with a Pakistani in a language which both (and its an enemy for 50 years), but NOT with these folks. This led to a British invasion for 200 yrs (divide and rule).
Just stop writing such non-sensical articles. May GOD give you some sense.
RE:On Being Indian
by kmurthy on Dec 02, 2006 06:35 AM Permalink
I am from south and i really think south indians really need to adopt themselves to become part of india.. Every time they go to other part of India for anything, they feel like fish without water.
In mumbai where i frequent mostly, nobody gives you a different look ..or asks you where you are from. In chennai, it is still a huge problem if one can not talk tamil...as Narain Karthikeyan told south has become a closed society. It really needs to open up.
My Mother Tongue is not Hindi. But, I have no bad feelings towards it and I know the language. My Mother Tongue is not Tamil (and many more languages for that matter), I neither have any bad feeling for them and I know them as well! My point is simple, how can someone who is just 25/27 years old (for that matter even if you are 60 years old), question a civilization which is 2,000+ years old!! (which this pseudo intellectual Rajeev is doing) Never ever one can do that. Every language/culture in India is unique and have been evolved over a period on which we are just a small part.
Now coming back to your original question, it seems it is very hard for you to accept it that way. You problem is not accepting Hindi or claiming "Hey! I am also part of India", but your problem is accepting your culture proudly. Only then you can accept other culture proudly.
Hindi is a language understood and spoken by most part of India. No other Indian language can claim to have that reach. You can go to most of India (South India included) and still communicate with that. Is not it?
RE:On Being Indian
by dharma on Nov 14, 2006 03:26 PM Permalink
Mr Dash, Iwould like to say you that south has developedin IT bcas people who cheat (northies) are not part of IT boom. Otherwise they would claim hindi is a national language and would prepare questions in hindi and all jobs would be taken cae by them,thank god... it didnt happend as europeans and americans know wher they can unplug talent other than pseudo secularism. In chennai we can ehar telegu songs, In bangalore we can listen to hindi songs, IN trivandrum ,tamil songs, can you tell any one city in north india which does this... NOw tell me where is secularism and tolerance etc prevailing ..??????
RE:On Being Indian
by Kumar on Nov 30, 2006 08:29 PM Permalink
Mr Satya:
I have no problems accepting Hindi as one of the mediums of communication with fellow Indians. It is you who has problems accepting that Tamil, Telugu etc are also equally indian. Your arguments sound utterly illogical just like Rajeev's article. Go back and see what you have written in your first post.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Most of the South Indians (And I really feel bad for them as this is due to political propaganda) you meet outside, will burst in his language and the identity is always local. It is so shameful. But you meet anybody else, they will tell they from India first, not XXX state. Also, I can talk with a Pakistani in a language which both, but NOT with these folks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I dont understand why s.indians have to be shameful talking in their native language. It is you who have to be ashamed for writing those comments. I don't feel ashamed to say, I am from TN, I am from AP after all they are all part of India not n.korea!!! Go live in pak, (bcos they speak ur lang) and u will be peaceful....
If south indians are narrow minded then people like Satya are narrowest of narrow minded!!!!!!!!!
RE:On Being Indian
by Kumar on Nov 23, 2006 03:35 AM Permalink
Guys:
For those who question my indianess... I am very much an indian just as you, him, or her... just answer this: how does Tamil, Telugu become regional and Hindi alone is national ? They are all official languages of the indian federation. First you guys grow up and then you can blame for my so called narrow mindedness.
RE:On Being Indian
by vini on Nov 16, 2006 07:47 AM Permalink
Dharma, u need to understand the reason why u dont hear tamil songs in delhi, or north in general, its because there arent any that many tamil people over there. Bangalore u can hear lots of tamil, telugu songs n movies because there are a lot of tamilians n telugus. Going by ur logic, i can say bangalore doesnt show punjabi, gujrati, bengali movies.. so try to think before u run ur mouth. Seems ur jus one of those southies who start boiling the moment they hear the word "hindi". Grow up!!
RE:On Being Indian
by Kumar on Nov 14, 2006 09:17 PM Permalink
Mr Satya:
Don't just post rubbish here.
'It seems this guy Satya met some s.indian in Tokyo/Washington and that s.indian spoke to satya in Tamil/Telugu/Malayalam inspite of Satya's hindi identity..... hehe that was funny... grow up people like Satya'
RE:On Being Indian
by manjunath on Nov 16, 2006 07:49 AM Permalink
Kumar, a south indian talks to a hindi speaking guy, whats so funny abt that?? think ur the only one who laughed at ur joke
RE:On Being Indian
by indian on Nov 15, 2006 08:51 PM Permalink
dharma, and kumar, i guess both of u need to be reminded that u might be a south indian, but ur still an indian. I guess ur not making yourself sound that cool wen u praise ur region and talk bs about the rest of country
RE:On Being Indian
by Satya Narayan Dash on Nov 17, 2006 08:29 AM Permalink
Just to answer all your questions!!
I am in IT for last 6 years and I have been across all the South Indian states, where I have spent a lot of time. I seen them closely and I do agree they are honest, hardworking like any descent Indian is. Now, IT is not for Northy or Southy, it is for all. "Information without boundaries" have been the motto. Any company with a biased outlook never grew up/survived. Azim Premzi is not a Southy and NRN is a not a Northy!
Regarding cheating ...In TN (I know 6 Indian Languages including Tamil), I never got away in any Govt. Dept without paying hefty bribe, be it a driving license,transfer of vehicle (inspite of me knowing the language). Hence, cheating is not region specific rather it is on that person. And corruption is rampant in TN's Govt. Dept as well.
On Songs being,played vini has answered it. Any there is no nation in the world, which is a developed one without a common language. English is out of question as it is not for a common man. They will never accept it also.
Finally who is having all the fun... this scoundrel named "Rajeev Srinivasan" (all nonsense that he has written) and of course guilty to party is Rediff.
Can you please grow up and talk about Indian on the whole. Its only because of people like you that we have 100 divisions within our country to tackle with. You are proud of South India, so be it why propogate to the world.
It s true south is doing well as compared to other indian states. They allured people from different parts of country and these people working hard to make these states prosperous. Some are qualified workers some unqualified.
Yeah, 100 percent. The word developing should be eradicated in India's case. People and govt. should use "REDEVELOPING". We have to use this word then other countries will use the same.
The author's argument becomes exceptionally lame in several places. 1. When he talks about creativity in the North during the Middle ages. The only thing he mentions there is dances! Let me just say this - for the first time in my life hitherto am I hearing dance as the foremost indicator of creativity. What about the art and architecture in the North? What about the Rajput monuments of Rajasthan, the Mughal architecture (Taj Mahal), the literary achievements including evolution of 2 new languages, Hindi and Urdu, the birth of a new religion, Sikhism? Perhaps, at no other time has India, as a whole, been more creative, than it was in the North alone during the Middle Ages. 2. Christian Imperialism? What has been India's biggest advantage over China? Ans: English language. How much of Indianness do we have in the knowledge being taught in the Indian schools today? Has "Indianness" anyhting to do with the South's "progress"? North is far more traditional (esp. Hindi heartland and northern states) with a bigger understanding of Indianness than the South. I would like to add that articles like this are either a result of pure ignorance or motivated by an intention of false propaganda.
