In today's age & generation of competition the actual reasons why dalits are supposed to be "discriminated" is not bcoz of their caste but becoz they have undue legal benefits (reservations) in the name of being low - caste.
Abolish reservations & the other sections of society will automatically accpet the "dalits" as equals.
in fact doing away with reservations for dalits will actually benefit them in the long run bcoz they will learn to be more competent.
right now their dependency on reservation has actually made them lazy & callous (with the exception of a few people)
mr. udit raj has said "... dalits are emotional & follow their leadrs even if they mislead...." - very true - mr. udit raj himself seems to be one of those leaders
RE:Re: Why the Dalits are angry
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
Dalit leadership has failed them over and over again - and since you claim to be their spokesman; you should feel responsible for it. They are simply being milked for their votes - and obviously since it is election time, they have to be "energized" by getting them to the dirty work of their political masters. Who has taught them that burning buses and trains is the best way to protest -- it is leaders like you. Who ensures that even when they indulge in large scale destruction, they are not booked - their dirty polical masters. Did Mr Ambedkar ever protest this way? What is the damn point of saying we rever him, when we don't even understand his teachings? How come most dalits did not get emotional? but only a small percentage did so? Not one of them gainfully employed, with responsibilities, even take a day off. How come politicians assured that "the situation would be normal after talks?" - does it not mean that they were coreographing this destruction? Shame on you leaders who are doing a poor job of instigating violence and then explaining it off as emotional outburst. The least you can do is accept the responsibility of your flock gone astray.
I totally agree that there should be general awareness in people that everyone is equal(just like Mahatma preached). Its insulting to our nation and founding fathers when the same people who seem to respect them doesn't follow their principles or ideology.
But there's no justification of what happened in mumbai. How can you explain this to our kids that its ok to riot, killing, and causing public inconvenience? There's always a right way to express dissatisfaction(gandhi showed us the way).
I also am not comfortable with the emotional aspect which writer brings up. Nothing can be achieved by being emotional(except for politicians caching on it to get votes). Being emotional is the easiest thing to do. People has to be maintain composure in times like this, but bring up the issue to everyone's attention, explain it and get their viewpoint across the table. Its not easy, but the success would be guaranteed(even though it might take time[like everything else in india]).
As far as reservations, I totally agree that deserving socially backward people should get reservations. Emphasize on deserving. And its a moral obligation for people who enjoyed reservation to help their brothers.
Hello, The author seems to be well educated and has put in his views in a seemingly civilised manner (Civilised compared to what happened last week anyway). It would have been more believable if he had at least put in a false line of apology for all the carnage that took place last week. I would like Dr Udit Raj to clarify a couple of points: 1)The reservation line is proferred citing non uniform oppurtunities for backward castes. So how do you justify the same family getting an oppurtunity more than once? Do you have the courage (I know I should say guts) to determine how many of these families have got a reservation somewhere along the line in the last 56 years and exclude their descendants from the benifits now? I know you will say this will be difficult, maybe you are right too. So go on to point no 2 2) Wouldn't a person who a gets a reservation in an educational institution be stripped of his right to say "unequal oppurtunity"? Or does society have to carry him and his family for eternity because some of his ancestors were oppressed. 3) Finally, I believe that asking for reservation more than once smacks of pure spinelessness.
RE:Why the Dalits are angry
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
Because Dalit's are more attached with Ambedkar.This is the only fact;which is used against them by all the so called dalit leaders. what have done by Mr.Prakash Ambedkar,Gawai,Aathvle,My Kavad ? They don't have any value for Ambedkar thoughts .These people are the main culprits of Dalit revolutionary Movement ? Mr.Ambedkar And Shivaji Maharaj were only the greats among greats ever produced by maharashtra ,their vision,their capablity to lead from front and true nationlism is always inspired to the comman man but unfortunately their followers make their vision ,thoughts very short ..Ambedkar remains for Dalit's and Shivaji remains for maratha(Particularly now in the hands of newly established Sambhaji brigade(?)).Now dalit need to understand there are new Brahmin (creamy layer) in their cast who are gets richer by taking benifits from the System and need to through them out of the benificary. To reach the benifits to the the real person who needs badly. their should be change in the mind set of Dalit itself they should know who are the culprits ,and obstacle for they movement.This is high time for dalit's observe themslves. And what happened in maharashtra was pure political.
The article you have written is justified. but dont you think that you are interpreting WRONG message of Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar to ppl ?
Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar, the man who had forevision to bring an revolution in the nation by bringing the lower class to a level where they will drive the nation towards progress.
And thats why he had requested reservation in 1950, for not more than 15 years.
The time when Dr.Ambedkar had protested was completely different than that is Now !
Today, many of dalits get Gov jobs becoz of reservations. They become financially stable. Then gov announces that they will provide HIGHER education to dalits FREE of cost. It means, the people who are stable will be MORE economically strong as they dont need to pay for higher education which Other people need to !
This was only one preview. But what about reservations in field like Medical Sciences ?
A student who has scored very good marks DOES NOT get admission to medical stream while a student who has jst passed on the EDGE, gets admitted to Excellent college becoz of reservations.
Now YOU tell me, who will be MORE suitable to SAVE lives of the people ?
RE:Please contribute in making INDIA a hanidcapped nation !!!
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
With due respect i would disagree with many things that happen in this country in the name of "Dalithood". As the country's population is empowered with increased awareness I do'nt think riots and forcing will ever generate the social respect Dr Ambedkar deserves. We are undergoing a generation turnover and its so sad to see Dr Ambedkar just as a symbol of dalits and not the architect of a sovereign and republic state. The new generation will never develop a sense of respect for him as his major contribution to this nation is being forgotten in the mess generated in the name of "dalithood"
If dalits are a major force to do riots and have all the time in the worls do spare time for it. They can generate many opportunities of themselves by putting in the same energy they put into rioting. maybe their leaders are to be blamed here for misguiding and not letting them know their potential as en enterpenur or as a skilled worker.
Reservation has been the only hue and cry and I do'nt see that implementing reservation will actually create mass opportunities fo rthem at the first place.
This country needs more constructive population and not rioters may it be anyone.
RE:We need some more thinking than mere ''Dalithood''
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
Sir, It was strange to find still in India some people are leading and supporting voilent ways of protests. The article seems to be written with a bit biased mindset illustrating only the one side of the problem and merely focussed on the quantitative results. e.g. recruitment in the govt., reservation in pvt sector. Some possibility that enough talent was not avlbl to implement the schemes should also be given due concern as just hiring on the basis of headcount may unstabilise the system itself.
RE:Seems somewhat biased mindset of thinking
by God and religion are distinct. on Mar 10, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
Reservations are legislative (not judicial or society) response to historical social evils to certain sections of the society. Government should scrap reservations when 85% of marriages in India are inter-caste or inter-religious.
