A really well thought out and written article on the reality of the reservation system. Its time people realize the truth, that these policies are just fallacious acts of corrupt politicians...
One surprising fact, is why do the people (so called patriots) who can really afford higher education,& yet have been benefiting through the reservation system, have not come forward to revolt this unjustified and shameful act being commited against their friends.
i liked ur name...'the bachelor'
by Miss Mousam Choudhury on Sep 05, 2006 08:17 PM Permalink
hey it was a very different adjective wherein u hav applied a stronger sense of writing it presice n ofcourse wise.hats off to u.
Serious stuff in seemingly humorous text. The points raised by the author are very relevant. Really, why higher education when there's no good primary education for the backward-class students. Good primary education should be an arena of major emphasis...students with strong foundation will be able to compete at the top level without the need for reservations, thereby, preventing yet another "division" of the country already plagued by communal strifes.
i fully agree with , i dont know who has forcasted that india will become fully developed nation i another 10 years, i think that person he is presurised to write market india so that people will start investing but when india will have nothing to offer in terms of Quality man power then these same MNC's will our country and go somewhere else as they dont have anythign called Country of their own,the person from US conslate has rightly said it will take another 100 years for country like india to be called as DEVELOPED nation,just waite and see only 5 more years all the market will go down their are host of countrie commin up..
I agree that reservation should be removed, but again we must see that more than 50% people are below poverty line... if we ignore those people then it will lead to nothing but civil war. Already we are facing issues on Naxalites, etc....
RE:Reservation-come out of the pond and look around
by uma t.s.rao on Aug 31, 2006 12:55 PM Permalink
Dear Amrit, r u in your senses talking like this? Answer my Qs sncerely - will u send your loved ones 2 a doctor who has become one through Quota system even though he had minimum marks? How can u talk like this man when even that Great Visionery like Babasaheb Ambedkar said we need reservation for 10 years only. And he came from what is called backward class and knew what he was talking about. Are u a politician to talk like this? think of the nation man. Today there are so many opportunities that every body irrespective of class, caste or religion can study and make progress without reservation.Money and material help is available to every body who is sincere. Come out of the pond and look around you.
RE:Reservation
by Sumedh Kamble on Aug 31, 2006 02:02 PM Permalink
Thos who feel there caste is not getting reservation they can chnage their caste and take reservation. Nobody has stopped a Brahmin to become Scheduled Caste! In public ceremonies renouce your caste and join lower castes !
RE:Reservation
by Amrith on Aug 31, 2006 08:44 AM Permalink
Mr Ajay, a lower caste guy turning an engineer makes a lot of difference. It opens doors of respect and dignity for them. Again govt should allow only 10% reservation anywhere. I am completely against 50% or more reservation. Thats asking a bit too much. Mr Srinivas, my claims are based on peoples list I have seen in the local clubs abroad. Its a true fact that upper caste people have dominated here. Again your claim of reservation is baseless. The truth actually is that reservation is closely tied with caste. Abolish cast and reservation will fade away. Are you ready to accept a caste less society? Do you have the guts to marry someone from a lower caste ( after 59 years as you quoted before?) If yes we dont need reservation anymore. Sadly our politicians may be unhappy. The future of our nation lies in casteless society.
RE:Reservation
by Balan Menon on Aug 30, 2006 01:18 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, Well, I appretiate the comments. However, why don't you agree the fact that there are backward community people holding high positions in the community, who do not deserve reservations anymore and that still more than 50% of the so called upper class are still below the poverty line, who really do need reservation inorder to pursue good education and job to feed his family. Do you mean the son/daughter of a backward community Doctor/Engineer/Dy. Collector(thanks reservation) still need a reservation. Why do you close your eyes when we say that the reservation be applied to all jobs and higher education based on the economic level and not based on caste. Do you think, even if caste based reservation is extended for another century, there will be an arranged marriage between a so called backward community and upper community. This might ever remain the dreams of all Dalits. Even politicians can speak, but they can't put it in practical in the case of their childern. All they say is only for their political gain and the backward also need only to get the sweet extra previlage of reservation, to catch the fish in pond without getting hands wet!!
RE:Reservation
by Pinky on Aug 30, 2006 01:44 PM Permalink
Agreed there were and there are still differences as pointed out. But will this quota not instill more animosity towards so-called backward classes? Are all forward castes economically strong? Instead of uniting, will it not divide people further? And this quota system is not new, we are having this for the past 50 years and what have we achieved? Have the economically lower classes been uplifted or only the creamy layer benefitting from this? The intention of the politicians is only the vote bank and not the real upliftment of people, and innocent citizens are getting lured into their trap!
RE:Reservation
by mahesh on Aug 31, 2006 06:13 AM Permalink
So, Mr. Srinivas, you are saying the country will progress if there is no reservation. What a joke. We have had this country ruled by upper class people since ages. Why the county has not progressed? How many people graduate from IIT serve this country? Do you even know how much money is spent by the goverment per student per year in IIT?
You can view reservation from one angle and find many faults with it. If you belonged to backward caste you would know the true value of reservation. The truth is that we still consider backward caste people backward (take marriage, business tie ups etc). To wash this from our minds takes time. We need to reserve quotes for these backward caste people to come forward, so that in say 50 years from now they gain respect. Trust me, most of the people abroad are upper-class people. Take any dance or cultural clubs in United States, you will find about 90% kids belonging to upper caste. The truth is that the upper caste has succeeded in past and now they donât want the lower caste to raise or gain any respect. So they create these stupid one sided stories. You need to clearly see the past and make assertions about the present or future. Regarding Indian cricket team, well if you spoke to me some 50 years back, only upper caste will be allowed to play that game. Again in bollywood, say some 50 years back only upper caste men and women could act, they wont even let a lower caste come close to a play. So step back and state facts and truths correctly.
RE:Think twice
by srinivas on Aug 30, 2006 02:14 PM Permalink
hey... i wonder where you got all those stories.do you have anything to substantiate your claims. Reservation has been on for the last 59 years and if you still think that people need reservation, then reservation isn't a solution! Its a change in mindset. and don't paint a picture of pre-independence. Things have improved a lot and will gradually become even better. Think of it: 47.5 % resvn. means 52% resvn in the open category and 100% for 'under privileged'. So what is effectively happening is you are taking away the right of a person in general category to secure sound education! So even if he suffers from social prejudices including location, economic backwardness etc. he has to contain himself with whatever he has. Isn't that stupid? nobody is against reservation, but against the basis of reservation.
RE:Think twice
by sachin shinde on Aug 31, 2006 07:04 AM Permalink
Yes, here is the reason. The people like you are destryoing INDIA. you nonsense, do you think that intelligence is based on caste? Reservations should be given to Economically backward classes, who really need them. let the guy be from Upper cast or lower cast. and for your kind information, we won't treat Backward classes as backward class. we never asked our friend from which cast he is. You yourself are treating as a backward class.
RE:Think twice
by Red Indian on Aug 31, 2006 06:19 AM Permalink
I fully agree. This protagonist of reservation is a fool. If 59 years of reservation did not help, it is like Bramha could not straighten the tail of a dog even in 100 years. Inspite of all facilities being given from primary education level if one could not qualify, he has no right to make a forced back door entry.
RE:Think twice
by Vibha on Aug 31, 2006 09:37 AM Permalink
Agreed, before 50 years there was difference in upper caste and lower caste people.But before 50 years also there was reservations in india.if the condition is not improved in 50 years,how do you expect it to be improved in the next 50 years? as per ST/SC is concerned ,i agreed that they need reservation.But this time it is OBC.Most of the OBC here are already qualified and rich.SO why reservation for them. There are many places in the government services where seats for SC/ST people remain unfilled.As no candidates available for that.that is because the lack of primary education.one of my friend is selected in an enterance exam only because at that time she was only one SC candidate applied for that post and there was 15 seats for SC/ST, so rest 14 remained unfilled. The qualification for that position only higher secondary.It shows that there is problem in primary education only.If they will provided with primary education they won't need reservations,they themselves can qualified.As you r talking about the respects to them,obviously if any SC/SC/OBC are if selected by their own strength,they will get more respect.That time none of his colleage will say,'Hey He comes from Quota'
RE:Think twice
by AJAY HARISINH RATHOD on Aug 30, 2006 01:01 PM Permalink
Mr.Amrith How can u claim a engineering or medical or any seat for which u r not eligible at all what will u do after wasting such seats u wont do anything after being engineer or doctor only loss of nation think for the general class people in india what u talked is absolutely nonsense taking recent example of SVIT,VASAD from 60 seatsof mech 39 seats went to reserved candidates what u will say for this Please allow the general class people to get eduacation as per our qualification u duffer guys should totally disallowed to occupy seats now a days with reservation only politicians r growing up so stop thinking like a stupid and allow nation to grow up
I wonder whether these politician understand repercussion of these reservation in Higher education. Do these politician understand that designing a bridge requires knowledge? Bridge willnot see that it is designed by reserved candidate so I shouldnot collapse. The disease willnot run away just because the doctor is a reserved and incompetent doctor. I dont know what do they want to say.
Do they have any common sense. Trust me days are not far when bridge is going to collapse, patients are going to die, agriculture and research will head no where but to hell.
Are we planning to move ahead of taking a reverse gear? Problems require intense knowledge and hardwork to be solved. Problems cannot runaway seeing the reserved candidate. Please mr politician answer my question?
It is very true that India does not need reservation anymore. If it continues like this, it is bound that we will see a day when every student without a reservation will no more be able to get good qualified education in India. No qualified student with real interest in the subject will remain in India.
Precisely, what I think. But what's the solution? How to get rid of this? We need a revolution. When AIMS doctors raised this issue and did whatever they can, others sections did not come out to support them. Poor guys, failed in their cause. So think about action, enough of rediff articles on this.
Do you know what's happening in Kerala now? A popular OBC newspaper and OBC organization leaders have started campaigning for reservations. The leader of this organization is a liquor trader and he is one of the richest guys in Kerala. And as per this rule with out any creamy layer, his son/daughter is also elgibe for IIT/IIM admissions without proper qualifications. And he says, all general category people have to suffer for the misgivings of the their forefathers. Interestingly, the LEFT parties who wants social equality, supports this.
As per the new rule, only 30% of the kerala population do not have a quota of IIT/IIMs. The irony is that, the reserved can also compete in general category.
Why 27% maan, make it 100%. And make 100% reservation in private sector also and make this country a reserved country !! Jai Jai Arjun Singh ! Jai Jai Manmohan Singh !! And Jai Jai Advaniji !
RE:You said It..
by Mousam Choudhury on Sep 05, 2006 08:10 PM Permalink
i liked the way u reciprocated n i jus wish that people allaround retaliate in the same manner.jai hind....
I fully endorse the view expressed by Narang. The question is do we want the country to progress or do the politicians want their own party to progress at the cost of country's bright future? Anantraman
