The article is very incisive which focuses on the duplicity of Gen Musharraf and his coterie, with his pretence of cooperation with the West by placing the J-U-D Chief under close arrest for a period of one month. Obviously, the arrest was ordered when some information would have been available with the Pak authorities, but by the time lag between the information available and the arrests in both UK and Pak, was perhaps adequate to move some other prime suspects to safer abodes in Waziristan and elsewhere. I am glad the author of the article has touched upon the new outfit, Jundullah and its connect with both the Al Quaeda and LET, through its established linkages with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and HUJI apparant. This is an important revellation, which makes Pakistan even more committed to carrying out its agenda of sponsorsing terrorism in other parts of the world. Hopefully the world will see the truth and hopefully the world will be a safer place to live.
As long as the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan exists, the world will never be free or safe from terrorism, despite its 'aid' in the 'apprehention' of specific terrorists identified by NATO nations only. Unless India is prepared to act in her own defence, she will forever be at the mercy of these perverted criminals, starting at the very top with Mush himself, right on down the list of terrorist groups and organizations which his unlawful govt supports, harbors and protects.
Incisive , Mr Raman. But I fear that in your singeleminded focus on Musharaff, you are missing out on analyzing the real damgers that India faces.
First, the US and UK governments have proved successful in anticipating and destroying terrorist operations-in-the making, by and large.
But in India, the record over the past two years has shown that terrorist infiltration into all parts of India is increasing successfully. We in India are not able to stop it.
In this situation, the Two-Bomb scenario becomes real. Imagine this. Terrorists smuggle in two nuclear devices. One explodes in Delhi, the other in the Jawahar tunnel between Jammu and Srinagar.
How do we respond. We cannot, because our Command and Control systems are oriented to detect ONLY incursions by aircraft or missiles. If terrorists set off the Two Bombs, here is what will happen:
1. Utter confusion in India 2. One hour later, General Musharaff goes on the air to appeal to the international community to restrain India and prevent a nuclear war, since clearly Pakistan is not a fault. 3. Two hours later, the US and UN threaten India with massive retaliation and impose a cease-fire.
Gen Mush has no principles. He is after power. He stays in power (or shall we say his life iteslf) due to his supporting military in Pak and get money diplomatic support from US/UK to please his military brass. If he is touched he will cry India is targetting Pak and will garner suppotr from other muslime states in the name of religion.
If US/UK touch him his Chinese friends will support him and it will escalate into WW III.
Mushy will Bomb India and force it to join the war with Nuclear bomb and the whole region will be the sufferer.
As a State Pak is very dangerous and Gen Musharaf has no choice but to act the way he does. He worked this strategy and this suited the West so far. Now they are at his receiving end.
But it will be a small price the West has to consider what they want. Their double standard will have to end.
Dear Prasanth
by Ibrahim on Aug 15, 2006 01:12 PM Permalink
Dear Prasanth, In the History of Civilisation you can find 2 kinds of people. 1) People who forget their identity and embrace modernism and unconsiously feel that their culture is inferior. 2) The second kind is, people who beleive firmly, their culture is the best one and try to stick with it by compromising the modernism. Both these ideologies are not right. For centuries Muslims followed strategy - 2 that's why there is a lack of education in most of the Muslims. But one fail to understand that Muslim culture is no different than traditional Indian culture. 1) Remember the typical Rajasthani dress of Women fully covered which is similar to Hijab of Muslim Women, which enhances respect towards women and not lust. 2) Remember that todays Rich old men in Corporate India, do all kinds of Nonsense with Young girls and increase prostitution. But the Old Arabs atleast give the status of Wife to the Young girl. Tell me which is better, Second Wife or a Prostitute. If you are proud of Indian Culture, please learn Sanskrit and wear a traditional dress
RE:Pak - Terror State
by krrrish on Aug 14, 2006 06:03 PM Permalink
Grow up dude! You demonstrate where your sympathies lie and that goes for at least some portion of your community (to give the rest the benefit of the doubt). Hey buddy, I got news for you. Have you heard of Kashmiri Pandits? Or Bangladeshi Hindus? How many of them have plotted and planned to blow up members of your community? They lost everything, their homes were taken over, their women raped and they fled for their lives with only the clothes on their back. These guys from UK have grown up in a nice country, they are well off and educated and get jobs because of anti discrimination laws. What trauma have they gone through that they should plan to create mass mayhem? You are disgusting if you sympathise with these creatures. Stop pitying yourself and those members of your community who deserve their come uppance. If you have any sense, find the ones in your community who are intent on murder and report them even if only anonymously.
RE:Pak - Terror State
by manjunath on Aug 14, 2006 06:41 PM Permalink
imtiyaz,
tell me who has supressed you...nobody...its you and your muslim soceity is supressing muslims...sunni muslims kill shias and vice versa...you fight against each other...let me tell you as the sayings are....all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims.
RE:Pak - Terror State
by Bhaskar Chatterjee on Aug 19, 2006 01:02 AM Permalink
I am not sure where you get this 10% figure. In a recent Gallup-Outlook Survey, 53% Pakistanis expressed India as their 'enemy'.
Dear Friends, I'm an Indian working and living in Saudi Arabia. Here in my office as well as nearby my room there are many pakistanis. I would like to share my idea about the Pakistanis. They are not like what we think about them in our mind. First at the beginning I don't used to talk to them as they are our enemy country. But those people voluntarily come and speak with us (Indians). Once I asked them, who do you always fight and wage war with Indians.For that those people told me that about 90% of the Pakistanis including the President himself are interested only in having friendly relationship with you Indians, but the problem is caused by the people in the Afghanisthan border.Most of the people in that region are uncivilised as they are not educated, so those are the people who are involved in such terrorism and because of them we whole pakistanis are getting bad names.Actually we Pakistanis consider you Indians as our brothers and not as enemies!!On hearing his speech I really felt very bad for considering him as my enemy before.What will the whole Pakistani people do if less than 10% of them are responsible for the terrorism?We must not blame the whole Pakistan for such act.
RE:Pakistan should not be blamed
by Rahul on Aug 22, 2006 12:28 PM Permalink
What a gullible person you are Senthil. They said something, and you belived them. The worst lie is that their President too would want to have freindly relations with India. And this is the same bloddy person who was the architect of Kargil Intrusion. Alas! Senthil that you don't remember the sacrifice of some 700 Indian soldiers died in Kargil to evict Puki soldiers from our land but you believe the white lies from Puki people. What if I tell you that these so called educated Pukistanis read stuff in their primary schools that India is an enemy nation and All Hindus are worst people, etc. You are not naive but foolish to beilve them.
Musharaf cannot erradicate Jihadi elements as it originates from the roots of the society, if tries he will be eliminated and he is playing a safe double game. Let us face the question-- why this EXTREEMISIM is developing and growing. It is the Basic Instinct of Human nature-when some society is suppressed its radical elements show up their reactions thru extremism if their voice not heeded or if all the other doors are shut. Please see the youngters arrested in UK all are in their 20s - how much turmoil they must have nder gone before taking this decision. ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS IS BY SITTING ACROSS AND NGOTIATING--Imran
RE:LISTEN TO A SECULAR MUSLIM
by Prashant on Aug 14, 2006 04:21 PM Permalink
Hi Imran,
I understand, but have following questions :- 1>Why muslims around the world are supressed? 2>Who suppressed them in Afganistan , over the centuries? 3>Why only Muslims cry for there religion always every where? 4>Who supress Muslims to not take study and go in madarsas? 5>Why muslims women suffer up to the extent that they cant roam, go around in muslims countries like pakistan, afganistan etc.. 6>Why Muslim mens leave muslims womens , old shaiks marry kids girls in Arab to supress them? 7>Why, despite of poor economic conditions muslims dont give birth to less than 4 kids upto sevral? 8> why dont they except any help from out side there religion to uplist them from this sitution?
and the list can go on and on..
I think its only the negative attitude towards life in muslims mind across the world is showing up in full form now.. and causing hatered in the hearts of non-muslims towards muslims every where.
sorry i dont want to be rude.. even i dont know you.. but yes.. some how i dont like muslims around me any more..
RE:LISTEN TO A SECULAR MUSLIM
by Senthil Alagu on Aug 14, 2006 11:05 PM Permalink
Dear Prashant,
You cannot find fault on all Muslims. I agree about 10% of the Muslims around the world are like what you have mentioned. There are many muslims in India, Pakisthan and few Gulf countries very good in behaviour and conduct. This I'm telling out of my experience.
Islam doesn't says to kill person if he doesn't get converted to muslim. Infact it is bad Haraam to kill human being. Jehad is the one created by those 10% of muslims and not by Allah!!
It is high time the US and UK realise that Pakistan is a fertile ground for grooming radical young men into terrorists. Although Gen.Musharraf keeps giving the impression to his mentor George Bush that he has gone against popular opinion in Pakistan to join forces with US in their war on terror. Yes, he has really! But the goody goody image carefully cultivated since 9/11 to appease the US so that largesse was bestowed on his nation, under severe economic crisis then, should not be taken at face value. Whenever India places a demand note for criminals hiding in Pakistan, pretexts and counter claims ensure quick and secure burials under the carpet. Along with thanking Pakistan and cheering up their ally, the US and UK should begin to harbour reservations about the real control and operational capabilities of the Pakistani military in rooting out terror workshops. They not only harm Pakistani, Afghani and Indian interests, but give fillip to the diaspora in UK on their ancestral homeland tours to cause damage in their adopted country as British citizens, using the same democracy and free society that has enlightened them.
The indian govt has to learn the way the british govt has handled the terror plot. The indian govt and the ruling party for the sake of vote politics have turned a blind eye to the terror activities of islamic fundamentalists. At this rate the country will turn into chaos which pak wants
RE:Uk plot
by Ravikant on Aug 13, 2006 12:55 PM Permalink
All secular,plural and non Muslim societies are under threat of Jihadi terror. These terror organisations are secret and operate through fundamentalist religious organisations in their client countries. Many of these countries are arming themselves to the extreme.They have the best conventional weapons, attack aircraft and missiles.They have also sought nuclear weapons and WMDs. All this arming makes the supply of illicit arms a gainful economic activity. After insuring themselves against any hostile surgical strike from other threatened societies, these sponsors of terrorism then continue to wage a war of attrition against less powerful plural societes in their immediate neighbourhood. For a state like Pakistan, they have different words to justify acts of same terror; for eg, They call terrorist activity in India as a "Violent freedom struggle" while they call terrorist activities against Western countries as a "criminal activity"even when the organistion involved is the same or its clone. Its time that a global alliance against terror is formed which includes "criminal activities" and "Violent freedom struggle" or any such activity when they remain essentially the same.
