I am wondering why rediff is allowing such a third class column. I too have similar experience with muslim and I too am lucky that I am alive today.
I think that muslim community in India must have to look deep inside to see where the problem lies. I am an atheist; so, for me muslim should be same as any other community, right. But, I do see muslim with deep mistrust. I believe that muslims are normal people as well, but what makes them so different from other Indian communities (like Hindu,Sikh, Buddhist etc) is the religion of Islam and reluctance of muslim to reform themselves.
I once had my best friend who was muslim. When I used to visit him, I noticed:
(i) How they used to celebrate when Pak used to win agaist India. Do not give me the crap of their love for sports.
(ii) I saw majority of them celebrating after pak tested its nuclear after India. For them, it was revenge against Hindu Country.
(iii) See how the objected when Hindus used laud-speaker for their festival (case of Aligarh n Mau, UP) when muslim use it five times a day.
There is some problem with Islam and it should reform itself.
RE: Why I won't live among Hindus
by kashif on Apr 13, 2006 02:07 AM Permalink
you can cook pig in your house and let me cook fish in mine this is called freedom undersatnd
RE: Why I won't live among Hindus
by betty on Apr 13, 2006 05:06 PM Permalink
You said : "I want to cook Pig in your house --- Are u ok with this?" what kind of question is that?? why would somebody allow you to cook Pig in their house, ofcourse nobody will and nobody should be ok with that.. yes but if you do it in your own house it shouldn't be a problem to anybody.
mister, do think properly before going ahead with what you are saying..
RE: Why I won't live among Hindus
by shree on Apr 11, 2006 08:33 PM Permalink
Pls add hopw they forced all Kashmiris out of their homes and the state. They cant live in a hindu neibourhood LOL what a joke they dont want hindus to live in the same state as they do .. They kill them if they dont like them.
the reason why we dont want muslims is simple...too many kids, lack of respect for the nation and failure to adapt, not only in india, but everywhere globally, with mainstream society...i stay in the UK and see that muslims here are also a pain... they just cant be normal people....
a perfect example is a friend here from jordan. he is a muslim, a good pal and normal. but no beard...when some pakistani guys asked him to grow a beard and he refused...they beat him up!!!
so dont they qualify as indeed odd and off people !!
RE:wont stay in a hindu locale ?
by ravi on Apr 11, 2006 05:20 PM Permalink
Mr Sathe, there is a village in india where the upper caste hindus beat up some poor dalits for drinking from a common well. Do you identify yourself as one of the perpetrators? Do you think that people should treat you with the disdain this act deserves just because you are a hindu?
RE:wont stay in a hindu locale ?
by Tarana on Apr 11, 2006 02:49 PM Permalink
This is exactly the kind of hatred that is ruining us. What right do you have to create stereotypes about any community? Get your act right first, and learn how to get your point across in a sensible manner.
RE:wont stay in a hindu locale ?
by Jay on Apr 11, 2006 06:37 PM Permalink
Well, you said it right. South Indians do not cause much of an issue..Does that mean Muslims cause issues everywhere in the world?
Very much on the spot, Firdaus, I was searching for a house in Hiranandani, Powai some time back, we went with the broker and met the building association secretary, the first thing he asked was "Are you a muslim'. When I said no, I'm a Christian, he asked, 'Where are you from'. I said Kerala,, and he visibly relaxed. He said, to my shock, that the building was generally given out only to Hindus, and preferably Maharashrtrians, but since South Indians do not cause much of an issue, I could meet the flatowner and finalise my negotiations. Yes, it seemed sad, but in this rather fragmented world, I guess, its only natural that people seem to gang up with their 'own'.
RE:Why I wont live among hindus
by kashif on Apr 13, 2006 02:01 AM Permalink
Dear sir ,
First of all Islam is a relegion of pease and love. Islam never say to kill non muslims prophet Mohummad forgave all the non muslims of Macca even many of them is also living in Saudi.
if muslims are terrorist then Bhagat singh ,sukhdev and Rajguru were also terrorists.they was terroris according to the English. If you hit a child twice then he will also protest no matter who you are. You are talking global terrorism then ask to people of Pelistine Who have no right to live with divnity on their own land. Ask Iraqi people who were never involved in any terrorist activity before Ist gulf war. If one seal the door of even food and medicine to you and your children is about to die with starvation you would also become what you are saying to muslim. So put yourself in the shoes of muslim then ask yourself.you are making the points to see through the western media.one of my friend count mau and azamgarh so what about whole gujrat,bhagalpur meerut,Mumbai,moradabad and other count less area.
We are civilized India Muslims are equally indians as Hindu and any other.
RE:Why I wont live among hindus
by Ashok Patil on May 04, 2006 11:29 AM Permalink
oye kashif
mind ur language. Bhagat singh ,sukhdev and Rajguru were fighting for freedom, and muslims are only fighting for their own religion.
for ur kind information, India has already got freedom in 1947, if muslims dont want to live in India according the the law, and they want more freedom they can move to Pakistan
Why should we ask to other peoples in the world, we only want peace in India, and Hindus and Shikhs must get the first priority in all the areas.
First be an Indian then think for ur religoin, automatically all the problems will get solved.
I had once discussion with one of my friend, a muslim and lecturer in history,on islamic terrorism in india and elsewhere .He was of opinion that the concept of terrorism was creation of christians,Hindus and jews,infact these are jehadi which and they have sanction to kill kafirs by Quaran. Further, he sdvised me to adopt islam as this was the only religion to remain in the world and if I fail to bcome a muslim,no matter my child and future generation will adopt it!
Well you can't reason with them.Let prez Bush teach them a lesson or two .
RE:islam doesnot recognise anyother religon
by Shree on Apr 11, 2006 08:31 PM Permalink
I agree .. They just beleive in killing and if anyone does to them what they do to others they create a huge fuss about it and go out and kill more people getting another excuse
I agree with the discrimination mentioned in your article however who's responsible for this situation. You guys create problems all over, most of the chunk is directly or indirectly involved in criminal and terrorist activities. As far as sikh's are concerned it wasnt Hindu-Sikh riots infact it was Congress-Sikh riots so both the scenario's can't be related. You mentioned about not living in a Hindu locality, however muslims have problems all over the world be it christians, Jews or Buddhist. So if i had been in your place i would have cleaned my own society and then make any sort of statements. "First Deserve it, then Desire it"
RE:Re: Why i wont live among Hindus
by Swapan Dey on Apr 13, 2006 01:50 PM Permalink
Yes, if Ashraf thinks Hindus do not welcome him then there is a reason behind it.
The land of Pakistan is has been stolen from poor Punjabi Hindus. The land of Bangladesh too has been usurped, through deceit, from Hindu Bengalis. Islamic terrorists have thrown out the Hindus from Kashmiris and they are trying their best to steal this land from India.
If the Hindus had globally hated all religions then obviously the Parsees, Jews, and other communities staying in India would have felt estranged but they dont, like Mr.Ashraf! Hindus have always welcomed people from all communities - in fact Parsees Jews and those from other communities love Hindu India.
The Muslims call the believers of non-Islamic Gods as kafirs. But Muslims have never welcomed Hindus and that is why we see the current Hindu reaction.
I suggest that Ashraf should not stay with the Hindus and I strongly recommend him to try staying in Pakistan. I am confident he will be welcome there.
RE:Re: Why i wont live among Hindus
by Shahid on Apr 12, 2006 06:26 PM Permalink
Here i want to say only one thing that if something happens, we shouldn't generalise it. So many muslims are living in hindu's area and are safe. And so many Hindu families are living in Muslim locality in various parts of the country. They are also safe. Of course in some places, people find it difficult to accommodate others bcz of certain reasons also or most of the places just bcz of the provocation of so called savere of Hindu/Muslim communities (Self claimed 'protector' whose only work is to spread hatred among communities). It is sad but practically it seems almost impossible to over come from such descrimination. May God show us right path.
RE:Re: Why i wont live among Hindus
by Harpreet on Apr 12, 2006 03:14 PM Permalink
In 1984, the ONLY areas where the killing of sikh's happened were areas where there were Hindu's, not in old Delhi, not in walled city, but in Hindu majority areas. So it was not just Congress Sikhs, Congress is not somes seperate religion, it was Hindu Sikh.
Sir, Hindus can't live in Muslim areas anywhere in the world.Wherever Muslims are in a majority they destroy the Hindus.In Pakistan,they did so from 24% to 1.5%,in Bangladesh from 35% to 8% now,in Kashmir from 14% in 1989 to about 0.1% now.They start riots and drive out Hindus wherever they are in a majority like in Mau in Uttar Pradesh where they are 90% they threw out Hindus.The same is true for Akola,Jalgaon, Solapur,Malegaon,areas of Maharashtra.As for Mumbai in 1993 the author forgets that- 1-Government intelligence agencies had reported to the Congress govt that Muslims will start riots from 6 Jan,the first monthly anniversery of Babri demolition. 2-Dspite knowing this the cowardice vote-seeking Congress did nothing and allowed Muslims to riot. 3-Far from prosecuting Muslim rioters,Congress ordered police not to fire on Muslims. 4-Knowing this,Muslims fired on police with Ak 47 rifles. 5-Muslims horribly rioted,attacked and killed Hindus in Josgeshwari. 6-Shiv Sena had warned Muslims to stop riots within two days after which it would retaliate. 7-But fanatic Muslims and Congress ignored this and continued riots forcing Shiv Sena to retaliate. -Manmath Deshpande
RE:Rubbish!
by Ashwin on Apr 12, 2006 06:35 PM Permalink
My dear friend - There is a lot of difference between the countries you mentioned above and India. In those countries, not even the person belonging to the majority religion can do any thing he likes, its the military/economic power that drives those countries. India is a secular and democratic state and we all should be proud of it. If we are supporting these divisions as per religion/caste or as a matter of fact any differences we might have, then I am sorry my friend we are not going in the right direction. we are going into the ancient times. We read so many articles that say that 'India is rising'. I would not call this rising if we are still following this communal based seperation. Lastly, the original author had his feelings from his past experiences the same way even we would feel when we are differentiated against. The only way he would be able to come out of it is by getting absorbed into the society where it is not seperated communally.
RE:Rubbish!
by Parikshit on Apr 12, 2006 07:42 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Despande,
What you have written may be true, but this is no excuse to continue the discrimination after all these years. I think though your logic is right, it is flawed just because of its timing. The same logic would have be fantastic and perfect at the time of riots, but intelligent and knowledgeable people like you did nothing to educate other dumb people like me about these internal politics of the Congress. Now when we should forget those mishaps and start living in peace and take benefits of the progress the country is making, you want us to go back on those things, fight again and kill each other, so that Political people can make merry around the bonfire of our religious hatred, fired and propelled by short sighted people like you.
Please Mr. Despande, I would request you to let My children and your children, live with Love and Peace which we could not get, and probably those Mild Muslims like this author, so that at least they can live in peace and happiness. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN, lets forget the past and allow peace to prevail. GIVE IT A CHANCE, thats all my request is.
RE:Rubbish!
by Karthik on Apr 11, 2006 06:56 PM Permalink
Sir, What you say is true in some parts of the world and could be true about Pakistan too.
But we got independence for the country and there was no hindu, muslim or any religion that soly was responsible for it. We did it together.
There were a few who had a different opinion and choose to create a new Country Pakistan. Why blame the ones who stayed here. They wanted a secular place.
What the writer is tryig to say is that he wants the country to change and does not say that muslims are all good and there is no discrimination in there societies.
RE:Rubbish!
by Aamod Gokhale on Apr 11, 2006 04:03 PM Permalink
And all the above justifies the discrimination by Hindu people against all muslims? Quite shameful, the support you are proclaiming for the divisive elements. -Aamod, Pune
