Its a great joke. A person who is left with no abhiman is talking about "swabhiman". Crap!
It surely is an issue of swabhiman, but not any others, just that of Modi. US has found that this person has left with no swabhiman and denied the visa!
So better Modi declare that I am no longer Indian and whatever happened in Gujarat he is responsible.
RE:Swabhiman?
by Viraj Damle on Mar 22, 2005 11:15 AM Permalink
When Mrs.Sonia Gnadhi speaks about Tyagi and Sacred Woman. Then there was no joke.It is not at all joke but also a redicolus. Mr.Narendra Modi had done good thing that US Govt. has restricted him from US,Due to NHRC Report but General Musharf is comitting more crimes than Mr.Modi.
No Swabhiman?
by manan on Apr 08, 2005 07:16 PM Permalink
If Modi himself is culprit in Gujaraat, how come the President and P.M. of India continue his CMship? Are they ignorant or hypocrites? Do you realy know what happenned in Gujaraat? Are you aware about the religious genocides took place in the history? Can you resist American leaders for their invading & unproductive attack on Iraq?
RE:Swabhiman?
by Madhu on Mar 22, 2005 12:18 PM Permalink
Common Vinod, whatever it is, you should not take American side. After all they are not GODS to decide who is right or who is wrong? It is an issue to be decided by INDIA. Let's not bring back that 'Divide n Rule Policy' scenario which shattered INDIA by having different amongst ourselves[INDIANS, if you are one]. Let's be UNITED as INDIANS in our VOICE against THIS DECISION BY AMERICA.
RE:Swabhiman?
by vinod on Mar 30, 2005 11:38 AM Permalink
I am not siding with the US. I dont want US intervention in our affairs. It was Modi and his party who were licking the americans feet.
But I neither want this issue to be treated as an insult to the indian pride. Modi has go what he desreves. When the riots happened was it not an issue of swabhiman? If you think its an issue of swabhiman how can you support Modi?
Modi changed his view on Americans when he was denied visa. Was it not oppurtunistic? Why he is not yet apolgestic about gujarat riots? Every time he is under criticism he go and take shelter under indianness. There are many thiefs in India. Cant we punish them because they happened to be Indians? Our law and order has failed in front of Modi.
Moreover issuing visa is US's internal affair. It is being denied to many peopel in India. It doesnt make a difference on Modi. If its the constitutional post he hold, just remember, visa has not been denied to any other elected representative from India. If Modi is just the denied man, it reflects on him not any other Indians; there is something wrong with him. Or are you telling me that only Modi has swabhiman, others are devoid of it? Then why Modi apply for this visa?
RE:Swabhiman?
by vinod on Apr 18, 2005 02:51 PM Permalink
Mr Manan answers to you
1. The question is laughable. It just shows you are not living in this country and you have no idea what was going on. I think you know BJP was in power and Vajpayee was PM. He wanted Modi to go, RSS dont accept. Even Advani comented that he is ashamed of Gujarat. Then president being a ceremonial power what he can do? Even then he visited the camps and the entire parivar was sick of it. SC called Modi a "modern day Nero" and NHSC slappped him. SC later transfer most cases out of Gujarat
2. What happened in Gujarat not only me everybody know. If something remain, coming up daily. See what former Gujarat DGP Sreekumar told enquiry commission about riots and Modi
3.Man we are living in 21st century. Dont try to repeat history. Try to be civilized rather than going back history searching justifications. We are claiming to be living in a civilized modern world powered by technology
4. I dont support US on Iraq war or Bin Laden on Jihadi war. US at least not killing their own men. Its Bin Laden and Modi who are fishing in troubled waters.
Modi has used his chance to stay back in power using the sabarmati massacre and ollowing progrom. He succeeded
why is modi bhai talking about iraq,afghanistan, pakistan. those are war between two countries,.
the topic is what happend in gujrat his own state under his own leadership,as an able and responsible,chief minister,he should answerablble for what is happening in his own backyard,before raising questions about morality eleswhere.
Friends, This is utmost injustice and insult to the whole India. Whatever may be our political differences with Narendra Modi, this should be protested by all Indians. If now also we exhibit our petty differences before international community we will considered as garbages. This should not happen. So all Indians should protest this kind of partisan behaviour and tell America that ,if this is your final position we will also not permit any American to India. They should be replied in their language only. The contribution of Gujarati's in international trade and commerce is enormous. If that is the all other C.M.'s can be denied visa. This is fine time to lodge our strongest protest so that in future US should not think of this kind of treatment to any ordinary Indian. Modi has said it rightly that this is a issue of 'swabhimaan'.
As much as I agree with the arguement put forth by Mr.Modi refering to previous occasions when the US choce to give visa's to head of states where some sort of riots had occured under their regime, one thing I dont understand is why did Mr.Modi apply for a diplomatic visa when his visit had nothing to do with politics or diplomacy. If he already had a 10 year visa since 1998, he could have just used that and entered the US finished his trip and gone back. This controversy would never have raised. I wonder what Mr.Modi's explanation would be!!
RE:Some controversy
by sree on Mar 30, 2005 11:54 AM Permalink
He just wanted to show that he is going for some diplomatic job. The same thing he did it for his UK trip. He and Gujarat administration had aanounced that Modi is going to UK for business purposes under invitation from them. The organisers made it clear that they never invited Modi and he is coming on his own for some musical concert.
I dont understand why he do this. He can go any place on his own. Nobody have any objection. Its upto him. But dont say its an official trip. I think most polititians do this. They just go in name of official trip enjoy it and come back at the expense of the state. Modi too.
