RE:Loser
by Bharat Prashar on Apr 23, 2005 08:43 PM Permalink
this is for the self-proclaimed Indian Lover who is obviously anoyed at the pro-India tone of the article. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the debate then it will be better if you kept your trap shut. Bharat Prashar
Indian politicians lake nerve, political will to do things. mr musharaff kills 400 indian soldiers in kargil, we suck up to him and send buses. Even the bangladeshis kill our soldiers, we do nothing, other than writing protest notes. i hate our politicians.
Pakistan has always gained out India. They should be grateful for that. Instead of Pak asking part of Kashmir, Indians should ask Pak to merge with India as one nation.
Apart from being the ill-treated housewife, the indian leaders are lethargic and argely indecisive. For instance, when the Indian parliament was attacked few years back, our home minister, prime-minister et al did a lot of pakistan bashing and then ordered the troops to be ready for war only to withdraw them later.
What should have been done is, instead of hopping the media glare they should have held a meeting with the three army chiefs and launched surgical strikes on terrorist camps in POK without making any unnecessary hype about it.
We need some body like Late Lal Bahadur Shashtri to teach pakistan a lesson. God knows when will our politicians become agile and confident enough to make tough decisions.
Mr.Ramesh N Rao's depression he read the book of Gen.Saighal which is another insane man.So my dear country men don't take Mr.Ramesh N Rao's or Gen.Saighal's words seriously. We can have a brither future with friendship & we'll definitely show them their right place if they play any trick again. Jai Hind.
The article is music even to an average Pakistani, forget about to the so called leaders India is trying to talk to. Why the hell on earth or heaven should I relax even one clutch, a Pakistani leader thinks while talking to India. India should show at least one compelling reason why the status quo hurts Pakistan and the latter has a reason and purpose to think and make peace. Our political leadership, intelligence and armed forces have utterly failed time and again and again in making Pakistan feel friendship with India is rewarding while at the same time animosity is detrimental.
The article is written by a good citizen of India who tries to keep your eyes open while treating with such crooks like Pakistan.They can never be India's friend because their country is born on religion based and they can never change their path.
In this article this paragraph is very interesting" It has brought and kept the Kashmir question alive in global forums.... It has bled India by instigating and sustaining cross border terrorism that has driven 300,000 Hindus from Kashmir, and killed and maimed thousands of Indian soldiers and paramilitary forces." I don't see any mention of 80,000 innocent Kashmiris killed by Indian state terrorism. Thanks to Pakistan that Kashmir question is still alive. India has tried her best in the last 57 years to erase this question from the minds of the world. Kashmiris and Pakistan will never let India brush this under the carpet of friendship. Being a Kashmiri, I vow to unite Kashmir and make it part of Pakistan or independent but no question of living with India. Its just a matter of time.
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by Goutam on Apr 23, 2005 09:07 PM Permalink
Thanks for ur straight forwardness. That's one of few good things from your particular faith system, u r not shy of speaking out your mind. In any case, we understand that it's difficult for u to live as a part of India, just as fish cannot live out of water. U need the conservative, restrictive, cleric-ruled, extremist environment to sustain. It must be a terrible feeling for u to be a part of a democracy, becoz that's a complete contrast to your upbringing. So, why don't choose the easier way, just cross over to the side beyond LOC and stay there for ever? That way, u will also ensure that there will be no addition to the 80,000 u r referring to!
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by sandeep on Apr 23, 2005 09:08 PM Permalink
the fact that you can come on indian site and say this shows our level of tolerance and firm democracy kashmir will forever be part of india man this a reality you better accept
Khan
by Vijaya Kumar on Apr 27, 2005 06:36 PM Permalink
If the Indian soldiers as brutal as you say, how come we do not have deaths in other states. You are writing as if Pakistanis are saving Kashmiris by sending terrorists into the state. In any case 300,000 Hindus was one time deal. The diring and killing of Hindus was going on since 1947. The Hindu cleasing runs into millions. I am not saysing innocent Muslims did not get hurt. Of course they did. But it is largely Muslim v/s non Muslim-Hindus are major losers as usual.
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by saurabh singh on Apr 24, 2005 12:23 PM Permalink
u talk of becoming a part of pakistan? just look at what pakistan has done to POk.....a recent survey revelaed that only 3 % of kashmiris want to be a part of pakistan which is much less than who want to stay with india. just compare situation between POK and kashmir in india....there is a vast diffrence. what has pakistan givenm to u in 58 years????...nothing other than terrorist camps, influx pf people from paki mainland to change the demography of the area, and exploitation of the locals.That pervez musharraf is not concerend fro ur freedom. In fact nobody in pakistan wants the kashmir issue to be solved. If it does there would be no reason for pakistan to maintain sucha huge army.
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by bhupi on Apr 25, 2005 12:49 PM Permalink
What are you waiting for? At least for the starters you can yourself migrate to your promised land and wait /make efforts to make Kashmir a part of Pakistan.Apparently you are one of those who don't want to give up good things.you do't appear to be belonging to the state of J&K as being from the state myself you appears to be one of those whose pose as Kashmiri but a paki in actual fact.Come do what you intend to do and wait for the fate which people like you are destined to.
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by Parag on Apr 23, 2005 05:45 PM Permalink
If anybody think the so called 80,000 (?) kashmiris killed were innocent, they posed as enemies to the truth that Kashmir is integral part of INDIA. We as Indians can not kill innocent Indians. You may call these so called innocents as Pakistanis.
I will not request anybody to accept truth but time will force all to accept the same.
RE:Comments on ''Same old story''
by R K on May 06, 2005 12:07 PM Permalink
Its really pathetic to see a Kashmiri making such an anti indian comment. The Indian goverernment has given more than what was required to Kashmir but they always think of going with Pak just because of narrow minded attitude emanating from communal feeling.
You people must be broad minded and think whether you want to be a part of plural secular and progressive society or live in a voilent intolerent backward looking society. Our securuty force has not gone there to kill the people, they are there to ensure the safety of all the people. The statistics of 80000 civilian killed there is totally wrong and propogated by Pak and its mouthpiece called Hurriyat.
The talk of merging Kashmir with Pak is like day dreaming which will never come true and in this process entire Pak will get merged into India. Pak has been a nuisance to India since last 60 years and has tried to block our economic developement. Kashmir is just an excuse for them to vent their anger and frustration against us, the core issue behind all turbulance is Pak itself and not the Kashmir. So now the time has come, we should accept the reality and eliminate the cause rather contain the effect.
We keep hearing/seeing numbers like '80,000 Kashmiris' killed. What's the basis for this claim? Who is making it? The most credible figures are between 30,000 and 40,000. But that includes everybody killed in the conflict: security personnel,civilians, militants/terrorists, politicians. Even while accepting that thousands of Kashmiris have in fact died, in what circumstances were they killed, and who killed them? It's the job of the army to fight against separatists and terrorists, so shooting those elements is not an atrocity by any means. We do know for a fact that over 500 Kashmiris were killed in the fall of 2002, when terrorists did their best to disrupt the democratic election then. Among those murdered were a sitting minister ( of the NC party) and a major candidate. It's well established that the pro-Pakistani terrorists have slaughtered anyone who doesn't follow their wishes and ideology.
The article is a very nice one - no doubt about that. But for all Indians this one could be quite misleading - we all know about the relations b/w the 2 countries. Is there any solid proof for all said in this article about our neighbour supporting groups in Bangladesh,Nepal and the Northeast to harm India. All of us can speculate considering the bitter ties b/w the 2 countries, but i am sure there are enough rational educated heads in our country to look into this. The truth needs to brought out rather than speculating and hitting out at others.
"Indian leaders are like abused wives" - this does not only apply to our leaders but it is an Indian trait in all of us as we belong to a tolerant society. Tolerance has brought us good as well as bad. That is the way we are and we should accept it.
Please Don't hide the truth....
by Goutam on Apr 23, 2005 09:27 PM Permalink
Mr. Senthil kumar, Please stop attempts to deviate from truth by stating broad-minded 'concepts' and 'philosophies'. We are NOT 'Tolerant', friend. We are weak, coward, imprudent & lazy; that's what we are. It's nothing to with the virtue of tolerance, conscience or kindness. The claims made by our social & political leaders that how tolerant we are, is absolutely nothing but an attempt to conceal out true nature. Do u think this rubbish of 'Secularism' has been worshipped by our politicians becoz of our commitment towards pluralism and respect-to-all-faiths in the TRUE sense? It's just a tool, to appease minorities, to commit murder and plunder and get away with impunity, and to ensure a solid VOTEBANK (Till the time the country is independent). So please do not walk the path with the hypocrits, rather try to call a spade a spade.
