Why doe the media go so ga ga in appeasing muslims? What'sthe big deal if the title says they are using name "Tulsi" ?
Another example is, after ensuring that the Hindus are thrown out of Kashmir and also ensuring that they won't even get a temporary shelter, the muslims (and kashmiri terrorists including the extremit terrorist parties like PDP, hurriyat etc) still find friend in media when all they cover is some muslim "discovering" or even "inventing" Amarnath Shrine when indeed it had existed and known even before that!
There are none!~Porkistan began with the philosophy that if a country is created for mooslems, they will live happily and become great. Look at Porkistan now!
Do not tell me about Dubai, etc, how clean and great they are. They are, due to slave labor from India, and technology from West. But do you see even one great university in any moooooooselem country? ZERO!
Stupid nooslems invented nothing- big zeros (I take that back, Hindus invented the zero and 'Arabic' numbers).
RE:Show me ONE progressive Mooselem country
by Vijay urf Teesmar Singh on Jul 12, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
Moosal mans have nothing to do with progress or civilization. All they understand by is Moosal i.e. power. Sometimes they can understand by is Bamboos or legs or shoes.
RE:Show me ONE progressive Mooselem country
by adrgdr on Jul 12, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
Try spitting at sun instead. both are same as you are concerned
RE:Show me ONE progressive Mooselem country
by vishnu on Jul 13, 2008 04:29 PM Permalink
stupid hindus also invented nothing worth only zero is in their heade
Pl say clearly whether the verses mentioned by me below are there in The Quran or not. If there is any distortion in translation, pl give correct translation in English.
I am open to discuss the matter in an unbiased manner. I have no preconceived notions. I do not hate the muslims (or the followers of any religion) but question only the blind faiths.
I do not beleive in any god. So pl don't tell me that those verses were revealed by some "most merciful creator" etc.
on Kabul's streets, some of the older women wore burqas, but none of the young girls did.
And in India older muslim women will be in saris or local outfit but the tounger ones will be in burqa. it is the young generation which is radical and turning extremist in india and it is a dangerous sign.
RE:RE:Look at this
by Bharat on Jul 12, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Soo**ar ki a**ulad...Chand aur suraj per nobody can piss from earth, it will fall on your facs only. And by now it would have already fallen, now soo**ar wash your face.
RE:RE:Look at this
by Bharat on Jul 12, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
RANSARAN..Soo**ar ki aula**d...Chand aur suraj per nobody can piss from earth, it will fall on your facs only. And by now it would have already fallen, now soo**ar wash your face.
The Hindu religion (or even Christianity to a good extent) gives its followers a lot of freedom. The people can lead their own lives in their own wish. Being legal or illegal is monitored by the law of the land. Morality is based on popular guidelines, which are again not prescribed by religion. It is an evolved matter of concern. In contrast, Islam is a religion which is stringent in how the people should lead their lives. The rules and regulations are strict. Why is it so?
Why doesnt Islam allow freedom to its females? (let it be putting up their hair in style, being an extrovert in their college or whatever).
Why doesnt a person who identify himself as muslim, be part of a hindu culture? (By saying hindu, I mean Indian, Say for eg, I am asking, does an Indian muslim dare to raise his voice in "Bharat Mata ki Jai").
Is it true that, your book of Quran advises you to be away from / avoid / destroy the non believers ? I am told that if you cannot do that, the other option is to convert them. The word "jihad" is your war against the rest of the world, whose ultimate aim is either to destroy or to convert the rest of the world. Is it true? .. or else what is it?
I have understood, learnt, and directly felt from own experiences that, muslims generally be very kind and compassionate to his fellow muslims, and they are not considerate of his fellow human beings. They love their religion more than anything. (I would compare it to the marxist / communist, ...
i mean the real communists, who are highly dedicated to their party, they live for their party, die for their party. They do not look whether the country is benefitted. They are interested only to increase the popularity of their party.
Why is muslims giving birth to so many children? I have noticed that, in a society where hindus have two offsprings, the muslims are having three, and similarly, when hindu girls are getting married at an average age of 24, muslims are getting married much before (say 20) ... So, when hindus have three generations, muslims generally have four generations... with more people in each generation... Isnt it leading to increase in the population of muslims, and thereby the % of their total population ? .. Isnt it a deliberate effort ? ...
Have you noticed that, (in my place, ie, kerala), muslims are becoming culprit in more/most of the crimes that happen here. The population of muslims may be say 25%, but atleast 50% of the total criminals are from their religion. Isnt it showing that the very strict religion is not able to control the desciples? Or otherwise, is it that,maybe the religion itself is advocating crime?
On the other hand, have you noticed that the hindu population in pakistan or bangladesh has gone down drastically since independence? ... Is it a deliberate effort by any chance? ...
Do you favour the Afgan attitude of breaking the buddha's statues as an act against Idol worship?
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 11, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
Anjali, you asked ". Isnt it showing that the very strict religion is not able to control the desciples? Or otherwise, is it that,maybe the religion itself is advocating crime?"
It is not a crime for mooslems to rape, rob pillage, commit carnage, hijack, kill , maim, torture, decapitate, smuggle drugs, etc- because the Quron clearly indicates all these acts are fine for mooslems to do on non-believers. Heck, per Quron, non-believers are to be exterminated like cockroaches.
How is that for direct message from God? And, you know who made up the entire pile of dung? I can't mention the name, Rediff will delete my post for abuse alert!
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Bharat on Jul 12, 2008 11:54 AM Permalink
RANSARAN...Soo**ar ki aul**ad...Chand aur suraj per nobody can piss from earth, it will fall on your facs only. And by now it would have already fallen, now soo**ar wash your face.
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 12, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
Sorry man- you have to come all the way to USA to do that- go piss on your face- think of your face as mine, looking at the mirror, and piss.
Where is the brave moooselem you worship-Osama? he is hiding like a rat.brave mooslemes indeed!
As a muslim, you kindly answer one more question. As a muslim, do you prefer to co-exist in religious harmony in this country (which would be predominantly hindu, with all kinds of Idol worships, multi Gods, vedic knowledge, Old beliefs, but with a contemporary styling and accomodates all religions), or would you prefer to see the indian subcontintent to be converted into a predominantly muslim country, which prays only to the Most merciful, Allah.
Kindly consider these questions as serious questions of a non-muslim, and try to answer from your heart. Let us debate without using bad words ... Can we ?
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Justice on Jul 11, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Dear Ms Chandrika, Islam was founded in the 6th Century AD and had considered many things of those times (same as Sikhism in 15-16th Century, Christianity during Christ and Hinduism even earlier). There is no sense debating those things in 21st Century. If Mr. A does something don't blame his religion for that. It could be his circumstances that made him do so. There were many small tribes worshipping different deities and fighting each other with lots of evils in society. Islam called for unity and said that there is only one almighty and that is Allah. Most of the things in Holy Quran is in the context of those times (women wearing hijab, not taking interest on money, not taking wine, brotherhood etc.). Fighting the non-believers meant those who did not believe in Allah (the only Almighty) and not so many tribes with one separate deity each resulting in brutal fighting each other etc. was jihad. Besides in those days, might was right everywhere. King Ashoka, Alexander were not Muslims. Kingdoms hatched conspiracy against each other, irrespective of religions. Hindu religion too has a number of debatable customs...you know what is Sati ? In north & west India, children (only Hindu) are married at age as little as 3 and 4 (carried by their parents in baskets)(search Akshya Teej in Rajasthan / MP etc.) Upper caste hindus exploited / tortured poor human beings on basis of their Yoni (SC/ST/OBS etc.)for centuries. Now it is like how you see a glass, half full or half empty.
RE:RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 11, 2008 11:14 PM Permalink
Mr. Justice- Fine, Hindus see problems, and find answers to religion negatives. Hindus do not claim that some God send his litttle pinda to dictate a bunch of BS to a rogue. That is the difference.
Regarding Sati- that practice came in vogue after mooslems came to India and started raping women.
Asa for caste problems, I think they will go away. But what about islam- nothing will go away- same BS, not even in a new bottle.
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by anjali chandrika on Jul 14, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
I am talking about today. Kindly talk on today's scenario.
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Mohammad Rizwan on Jul 12, 2008 11:46 AM Permalink
you seems to be suffred very badly by a muslim hence aggressive. indians lone indians, be it muslim or hindu or christian.
the statistics you are showing might be true why dont you gather stats that belongs to hindus like virappan, nalini, lalu prasad and many corrupts in india.
you forget the history of india- when mughals ruled india for more than 400 years in peace and harmony without harming any religion.
be positive in your attitude then only you could see fellow human in right way
RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by JGN on Jul 12, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Mr.Mohammad Rizwan, you are trying to jusitfy the Islamic rulers only due to ignorance. They were also not different from the politicians of our time. You know very well what all our politicians are doing for getting the "minority" votes.
What was the percentage of muslims at the time of mogul rulers? Maximum 8%. Would they have been able to rule their kingdoms by antagonising the majority citizens? Aurangazeb had in fact committed a lot of atrocities. But there is no need for you to justify that nor be apologetic about them as they were incindents beyond the control of present generation of muslims.
RE:RE:Some questions to my Muslim friends
by Bharat on Jul 12, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Rizwan..please read the history of India & Muslims. They killed,raped,converted and distroyed. This history is not taught in Maddrassas. Search google.. or read history books from independent writers not from Mullas. Ayodhya is an example and been proved, next is Kashi & TajMahal.
The Hindu religion (or even Christianity to a good extent) gives its followers a lot of freedom. The people can lead their own lives in their own wish. Being legal or illegal is monitored by the law of the land. Morality is based on popular guidelines, which are again not prescribed by religion. It is an evolved matter of concern. In contrast, Islam is a religion which is stringent in how the people should lead their lives. The rules and regulations are strict. Why is it so?
Why doesnt Islam allow freedom to its females? (let it be putting up their hair in style, being an extrovert in their college or whatever).
Why doesnt a person who identify himself as muslim, be part of a hindu culture? (By saying hindu, I mean Indian, Say for eg, I am asking, does an Indian muslim dare to raise his voice in "Bharat Mata ki Jai").
Is it true that, your book of Quran advises you to be away from / avoid / destroy the non believers ? I am told that if you cannot do that, the other option is to convert them. The word "jihad" is your war against the rest of the world, whose ultimate aim is either to destroy or to convert the rest of the world. Is it true? .. or else what is it?
I have understood, learnt, and directly felt from own experiences that, muslims generally be very kind and compassionate to his fellow muslims, and they are not considerate of his fellow human beings. They love their religion more than anything. (I would compare it to the marxist / communist, ...
i mean the real communists, who are highly dedicated to their party, they live for their party, die for their party. They do not look whether the country is benefitted. They are interested only to increase the popularity of their party.
Why is muslims giving birth to so many children? I have noticed that, in a society where hindus have two offsprings, the muslims are having three, and similarly, when hindu girls are getting married at an average age of 24, muslims are getting married much before (say 20) ... So, when hindus have three generations, muslims generally have four generations... with more people in each generation... Isnt it leading to increase in the population of muslims, and thereby the % of their total population ? .. Isnt it a deliberate effort ? ...
Have you noticed that, (in my place, ie, kerala), muslims are becoming culprit in more/most of the crimes that happen here. The population of muslims may be say 25%, but atleast 50% of the total criminals are from their religion. Isnt it showing that the very strict religion is not able to control the desciples? Or otherwise, is it that,maybe the religion itself is advocating crime?
On the other hand, have you noticed that the hindu population in pakistan or bangladesh has gone down drastically since independence? ... Is it a deliberate effort by any chance? ...
Do you favour the Afgan attitude of breaking the buddha's statues as an act against Idol worship?
As a muslim, you kindly answer one more question. As a muslim, do you prefer to co-exist in religious harmony in this country (which would be predominantly hindu, with all kinds of Idol worships, multi Gods, vedic knowledge, Old beliefs, but with a contemporary styling and accomodates all religions), or would you prefer to see the indian subcontintent to be converted into a predominantly muslim country, which prays only to the Most merciful, Allah.
Kindly consider these questions as serious questions of a non-muslim, and try to answer from your heart. Let us debate without using bad words ... Can we ?
RE:Some Questions to Muslim friends
by jamshi naju on Jul 12, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
Dear Chandrika,
I am Ready to talk with you , I dont know how it happend with you , bcs you are from kerala, I Dont know from where you got the statistics that 50 % ofCriminlas are from Muslim Community, I am ready to clarify, Please send me a mail jamshe@gmail.com. I hope you are a good and undestanding person. Hope you will. I cannot send so much messages here bcs most of the messages just need to abuse me. So pls
RE:Some Questions to Muslim friends
by anjali chandrika on Jul 14, 2008 11:43 AM Permalink
Sorry, i do not prefer to talk personally. People will be of different types of personalities. I am not blaming you, but i cannot afford to talk personally. Sorry. thanks but no thanks.
If you talk without using bad words, nobody will abuse you.
RE:Some Questions to Muslim friends
by Bharat on Jul 12, 2008 12:01 PM Permalink
Don't belive him, he will take your eamil address, find your location and raise a fatwa to kill you. They are simply not required on this earth. You see there no difference in Asur and Islam.
RE:Some Questions to Muslim friends
by Rajendra Rao on Jul 12, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
That is a good one, and I agree. They will find where you are and put a Fatwa. Do not believe any idiot moooooooselem- they will only try to brain-wash you about their religion of piss (sorry, Islam= peace). All one has to do is read on Islamic terrorism on international web sites. Also read up on British history of India. Or, just go and see the sorry state of destruction of our great temples. I am from Karnataka- just go to the 1000 year temples of Belur, and Halebidu. The latter one was destroyed by moooooooooooooooooooooooooselems. Barbarians they are, they will never progress.
RE:Some Questions to Muslim friends
by JGN on Jul 12, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Mr.jamshi naju, the percentage may be an exaggeration but there are good number of criminals (hope you are aware of Calicut Ice Cream parlour case in which one of the accused was Mr. P.K. Kunhali Kutty - the victim was also a muslim girl).
No religion has ever stopped people from committing crimes. There are any number of cases against prominent members of priestly class from all religions.
When the religiosity is insufficient to curtail such activities, what is the use of them?
Re: RE:Some Questions to...
by shajith on Nov 24, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
I totally agree with you Anjali, but there are some good people in muslim religion too. But few guys can spoil the entire religion and its people. Even in madrasa's(Religious eductation center for muslims) they are taught anti-indian preachings, whatever it may be they will compare with pakistan or any other muslim counties. They doesn't know what is the life style of pakistan or any other muslim countries(May be in middle counties may be better because they have oil available in their country and they can covert that into money, but where is from food grains/material they are getting? they are depending on other countries for their food). I guess it is good to make them understand about the facilities and freedom available in india compare to other muslim countries. We hindu's in india are majority in numbers but we are living according to the wish of minority(including muslims/christians etc). I feel we should have a prime minister like australia(Australian prime minister rubbishes the request of muslims of australia to implement a sheriath law for australian muslim and he made statement saying that we will have single law that will be australian law if some one cannot follow that then they can quit austalia). Our politician are bast**ds as they need only vote to come to power.
all political, economic and cultural interactions of (undivided) india with the above two countries ended after they came under the beastly islamic rule from arabia. they forgot their rich civilization, their history and became bootlicker of arabia since there was no other option. iranians and afgans who wanted to have a cultural reconciliation were mercilessly killed. we the hindus remember great holy saints from iran and afganisthan like mamhud, ghori, nadir shah, chenghish khan, ahmad shah abdali who plundered away all the wealth of india, including mughal india, even then the peoples of those cuntries remained perpetually poor and backward thanks to islam. there is this jama masjid in delhi, why can not hindus construct a gigantic vishnu temple in the heart of teheran ? peoples talking about going with iran and not israel and usa are all antinationals and constitution should be suitably amended to put them behind bars.
Afghasnistan in 70s and early 80s used to be a peaceful coutry with ppl having braoder outlook,where women ahd freedom..taliban screwed everything and its the USA which is responsible for taliban's growth as they are the one who gave them arms and ammunition to fight agisnt Russia!
RE:Afghanistan
by Virgo on Jul 11, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
True, the American fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan did damage to the counrty. However, the pakis did most of the damage. They continued to interfere in Afghanistan even after the Soviet/American withdrawal. They are the ones who created the Taliban with Saudi money. The pakis wanted to annexe afghanistan as their fifth province to give them strategic depth against India and to finally kill the Durand line issue. The pakis are the biggest culprits. They inflamed ethnic divisions and instigated the Afghans to fight with each other. But for the pakis, Afghanistan would have progressed well after 1990.
RE:Afghanistan
by JGN on Jul 11, 2008 01:33 PM Permalink
Yes, America is the main cause for the rift between India and Pakistan also. They supply F-16 Fighter jets to both the countries and also train their fighter-pilots. Who benefits from that?
The narrow minded leaders from both the countries fail to understand this (by design or by accident - possibly a good chunk of money from the defence deal goes to their Numbered Swiss Bank Account).
Please be civilized and stick to facts in your debates. We can have a critical debate about Islamic wrongdoings in India without being abusive and disrespectful to the muslims and Islam. While I do agree that are many Indian muslims who are really pakis in their heart and fundamentalistic, we have to remember that there are scores of other Muslim Indians who are proud and patriotic Indians. When we generalize freely, we are also disrespecting great people like Kalam.
RE:Specularor and other posters....
by JGN on Jul 11, 2008 01:03 PM Permalink
We should not pass judgements from today's perspective. India as a country did not even exist in the middle ages when such atrocities took place. There were only small kindgoms fighting with each other. Tippu Stulan who committed atrocities in Malabar was attacked by the Nizams of Hyderabad. Frequent fights between the Kings (Hindu-Hindu and Muslim-Muslim) were common in those periods.
Moreover, more than the ancestors of the hindus, it was the ancestors of the muslims in present day India who were the victims of such atrocities. So there is no need for them to be proud of. On the other hand, I do not expect them to be apologetic also as such incidents were beyond their control.
We are now living in a Country where equality before law is guaranteed by the Constitution, irrespective of caste, creed, colour, religion or region.
It is the responsibility of all of us to maintain peace and harmoney. The onus for the same does not rest with any particular section of the society.
