When Rajiv Gandhi brought computers IT in In India in 1980's these commies CPI-M Opposed IT said that because of computer millions of people will lose jobs. Now every one knows how many jobs created in India because of IT.And where India stand today because of IT. Now these commies CPI-M again saying same statement for Nuclear Deal and every thing.Let them bark dont care.
RE:Commies Vs Progress
by S Shrikanth on Jul 03, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
The way the Govt is in a hurry to sign the deal, there seems to be something fishy there. They have hurriedly taking support of arch enemy Mulayam Singh, "Communal" Shiv Sena and Akali Dal. The whole country is bleeding with inflation, rising costs, scorching interest rates, the Govt has made nuclear deal as their prestige issue.
RE:RE:Commies Vs Progress
by Salam Kudhus on Jul 03, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
Because Dr. Manmohan Sing committed to the words of his American Boss Mr.Bush.
He has no need to answer the the people of India as his thinks they are beggers.
In 1971 India won the war, but the Indian diplomats surrendered to Pakistan in Simla Conference. Similarly today Indian diplomats want India to surrender its nuclear weapons so that China & Pakistan can walk over India.
RE:Beware of Indian diplomats
by Salam Kudhus on Jul 03, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
The people can simply identify your cowardness. You are truly an Anti Indian and probably an American agent who take bribe to act against the truth and integration of India.
You are the major enemy of Indian growth and potential.
The congress tried to enslave this country to the US in total disregard of its parliament and people . To lament now of loss of face is naive if not criminal. Shame on people who prefer the aprectiation of all Western sharks to their country's sovereignty.
RE:A loss of face is due for MMS
by truthandonlytruth on Jul 03, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
all you sen, gupto, dasgupto, mukherjee, chatterjee, banerjee, sengupto, das, bosu, ganguly, think alike. U all think like fools and commies. Ofcourse CPM consists of only these surnames.
RE:A loss of face is due for MMS
by Dipak Bose on Jul 03, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
But you Jim and truthandonlytruth want India to be enslaved by the Americans. China and Pakistan will celebrate if India signs 123 Treaty, as India will not have any nuclear weapons only some junk obsolete nuclear plants from USA, which will not work but will kill thousands of people ( Remember ENRON and UNION CARBIDE). .
RE:A loss of face is due for MMS
by varghese on Jul 03, 2008 11:42 AM Permalink
already china and Pakistan..are already slaves of USA..so if India joins that club..atleast our poor millions will have Pizza and coke instead of empty tummies....
RE:The first line should read
by rajan alakandy on Jul 03, 2008 10:32 AM Permalink
If you want blindly support the left then do not blame anybody including Sonia Gandhi.The left has the habit of refuse everything except their own voice.
RE:The first line should read
by jim on Jul 03, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
these commi bus 3rd's are worthless crap! they eat crap, talk crap and shit!!!! he hv lost ever sane agument over the deal.
and now they r making it a communal issue too.
if BJP & Shiv Sena are nationalist parties the sud push for the deal!
RE:The first line should read
by varghese on Jul 03, 2008 09:55 AM Permalink
But who gave u the credentials for what crap ur writing..are u even qualified...think about this..
RE:The first line should read
by All Right on Jul 03, 2008 10:00 AM Permalink
These knickerwallahs are all the same. If they cannot logically put forth their views they stoop to abuses and convenient disinformation.
The same K Subrahmanayam was also India's key strategic thinkers during the NDA days and even before that. He was not elevated to such a distinction by Sonia Gandhi after 2004!
RE:The first line should read
by Abbas Rumani on Jul 03, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
Mr. Sathish He is same K. Subrahmanayan whom NDA appointed Chairman of High Power meet on Kargil to investigate report. Just because his view do not meet with his you have no right to abusive him
RE:The first line should read
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 03, 2008 10:54 AM Permalink
- There is no point addressing these guys with facts. They just don't believe in facts. They believe in simple mind-numbing slogans and rhetorics.
All the diplomat is saying are the good things, but do we get to retain our ability to test and if so do we get to keep the material we have bought from the countries. Second will we have them all over looking deep into our existing plants and telling us what to do. If so this is a sell off. Business is done on mutual respect not by arm twisting. It may seem that India has limited options, but in my view we have all the options to put the deal on hold and stand up and be counted. If we give in we will remain to be delt like a weak country that only barks and not bites. Then we will have no respect amoung the so called group that he mentioned. I say they need the deal as much as we do, as they business is too suffering the slow down of econmy, what are are going to do with that technology that cant be sold.
RE:Hard to believe
by varghese on Jul 03, 2008 09:57 AM Permalink
Without Uranium..u guys cannot even test..forget about running ur power plants..heheheeh...fools dont u know the basics of chemistry..half life period..get back to school...instead of posting crap...
RE:Hard to believe
by All Right on Jul 03, 2008 10:09 AM Permalink
Yes we have always the option to test. Twice we did that in the past and we faced trade sanctions. So if test again, we will face trade sanctions
What the deal says that the US may seek to call back the uranium supplied in the event of India testing.
The operating word is in the event of nuclear testing. Even here the agreement provides an exception - the right to test if China or Pakistan tests.
No one in the nuclear community believes any more for the need to physically test. They now test through computer simulation using past test data.
This is the reason why Vajpayee government shrewdly went for a series of explosions - to generate such a data base
The nuclear deal is meant to cater to our short term needs. In the medium to long term, we depend upon fast breeder depending on thorium. This opinion is confirmed by ex-President Kalam himself.
Secondly, we do not need so much technological know how from the US. They are generations behind us as they suspended their civilian nuclear program for decades. Our fast breeders is the cutting edge. But we need to improve aspects like efficiency, safety. We need to still get uranium to feed our old generation reactors which are running at 50%. All these and more the US curbs through exercising their clout in NSG - preventing even friendly nations like France & Russia to supply these to us.
RE:RE:Hard to believe
by All Right on Jul 03, 2008 10:09 AM Permalink
It is to remembered that the deal is only nuclear civilian cooperation.
The US will provide us technological transfers and uranium supplies to reactors for civilian purpose - for this they seek guarantees that enriched uranium will not be diverted for militrary purpose.
What we do with our own or other friendly countries (like Russia) technology or uranium is outside the purview of the Deal
USA or any other country has NOT built a new nuclear [plant for 20 plus years.
South Africa is leader in coal gasification technology, WE enough coal to last us a hundred years. Also clean coal burning is 10x plus less expensive per KWH than nuclear power. Then there is the legitimate world concern of spent fuel waste, India will land up becoming the dumping ground of the world. Lets not forget Chernobyl or Bhopal tragedies. Indian life is considered to be cheap by the American companies.
As global player there are hundreds of other technologies and industries where India can make deals with USA and any other country. WHY this unifocus on nuclear deal??
USA has even opposed India's as a permanent UN security member. IT IS HIGH time India was treated as an equal.
The slave and white skin complex of the Nehruites will not let this happen.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by stanumedia on Jul 03, 2008 10:02 AM Permalink
Indian Political parties are only interested in power to fill their treasury. For this they do not mind misguiding people to any extent. BJP is in the forefront of all this. Its only strength is to trap people emotionally and come to power.
They talked about Ram for a long time and managed to come to power. They totally forgot about Ram while they were ruling. The 'Party with the Difference' was in news for all the 'Different' news! They proved that they can beat Congress with regard to poor governances/corruption in record time. If Congress could do it in 60 years, they are capable of doing it in 10 years!
They only bank on emotional issues. Ram Sethu, Amarnath Yatra and now Hindu Jihadis!
I completely trust Dr. Manmohan Singh. He is a man of integrity and knows what is best for India!
If India can not face the REALITY in the global arena our economy will be a hoax! We will depend on US and other powerful economies for our NSE and BSE boost for ever and ever!
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by cynic on Jul 03, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
No need to be so despondent, I also agree that India needs the west more than west needs us now. I am hopeful in the future it will change. If you know how bad our position was in 1947, you will realize that India has achieved a lot. India was an importer of food till 1960. India is improving a lot, and will improve. But I am afraid of the left and their offshoots naxalism will drag India back to agricultural era. Be positive. India has had 60 years of freedom, it needs more years to actually realize its potential.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by varghese on Jul 03, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
if ur following usa great..then stop building nuclear plants..then u fools will not even have any processed uranuim for ur so called bombs...
without uranium u cannot even run ur plants to produce electricity..without usa sanction even russia will not give u uranium...even china has compromised its security testing rights and processed fuels to usa..thats why australians r giving them uranium..India is an poor country..we have no money even to put up nuclear plants..only usa can give us soft loans to even buy those plants..by the way americans are 200 yrs ahead of India in almost everything..specially techonolgy..so if they give us an 30 yrs old plant it simply means it will take another 100 yrs to even re design an similar one in India..after all have u ever seen an proper road in India which doesnt get damaged within an few weeks..this is Indians Indepth technology..ur basically forgetting that Indias sole nuclear reactor producing Bomb grade Uranium is CIRRUS..this was gifted to India by USA c/o Canada...so without knowing any stuff do not post stupidity...
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by cynic on Jul 03, 2008 09:40 AM Permalink
you are the biggest joker. India is a small fish with huge population as its only asset. India does not contribute anything apart from export of labour. No science, no technology (only thing India can be proud of a little bit is ISRO and even in that China is way-ahead of India) India is learning now how to develop and improve. Under the circumstances India needs the help of US, Russia and other powers in science and technology. How much money does India give to UN very little, US contributes the maximum to UN Budget and thus it dominates UN. Wake up and face the facts, India needs to develop a lot more before being treated as a equal. If not for software services export(mainly to US and a little to Europe), high oil prices would have killed India as a nation. For US to consider India as a equal, Indian economy needs to much more stronger rather than being a preferred back-office of US companies.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by Sathish N on Jul 03, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
You are the one who says in one post that India has "No science, no technology" and in another that Congress has done a lot for this country. If they have done a lot why is there no science and no technology.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by All Right on Jul 03, 2008 10:16 AM Permalink
Proud Hindustani has a point though I like to give a different take.
Yes prudent energy security strategy means that we do not pursue an unifocus strategy. Our policy should focus on a basket of diversified options may it be coal, bio-fuels, wind, solar etc. That's exactly India's strategy. It is not uni-focussed. Even in 2020, it is envisaged that nuclear power constitutes as little as 6% of all power generation.
One of the stumbling blocks for a permanent UN seat is our status as a nuclear pariah. The deal help us to get over this problem
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by cynic on Jul 03, 2008 10:06 AM Permalink
I dont like any parties of India. All od them are immature at the least and traitors at the worst. However I especially hate the left. These ideological foes are the worst enemies. They want to stop anything coming from US even if it is good. We are not a slave of US. We opposed the Iraq war and did not send soldiers for that. However the nuclear deal is good and India should go ahead. Left was against nuclear testing in the first place, they were pro-china in the 1962 war. They are worse than Laloo, Mayawait and their ilk.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 03, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
- When he say we have no science and technology, it's in relative terms.
See inspite of talent, eventually BCCI went for foreign coach and the result is showing in Indian cricket.
It's a process. A continuum.
We have good scientific talent base because of our education system. But we truly do not have great technology. We are just a "fresher" in every sphere. We have not reached there yet.
So we still need foreign support before we start claiming our place as equal.
RE:NUCLEAR POWER FACTS
by avinash khairnar on Jul 03, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
ya India needs new technologies... and due to bad politics in India there is not enough research happening in India. This deal will also help in opening the doors to the Research in new nuclear technologies.
Nobody can stop us to do a nuclear test and it may not be written in the terms & condition of the deal .
But
It is hundred percent sure that international community will voice against India, if we ever do a nuclear test. In those circumstances, if US and other countries decide to stop the uranium supplies to India , after investing billions of rupees in reactors ... then ???
So , can we do the nuclear test without any trouble and what will happen to the billions of rupees investment ?
The real question is whether we need to depend on other countries for nuclear fuel. If we made the investment, there is no chance of looking back & the risk of conducting a nuclear test will be infinite.
Another fact is how to handle the nuclear waste. I've seen many comments that nuclear energy is clean, pollution free, cheap etc. Have we ever thought of disposing these nuclear waste ? Nuclear waste are dangerous for ten to thousands of years (depending on its half life period). Keeping / disposing them safely is also a tremendous task. And nobody seems to be bothered about it.
So a good risk assessment is to be done before signing the deal and making the investment. The team must include scientist, media persons, environmentalists and no need to say , our beloved politicians.
And finally, how many states / districts / municipality will allow these reactors to be constructed / waste disposal in their locality. Think abt. Singur , Nandigram and other SEZ.
RE:Deal or No Deal
by Sudip Bhattacharjee on Jul 03, 2008 04:22 AM Permalink
I believe the necessity of conducting nuclear test will be eliminated in future due to the changes in geo-political happening around the subcontinent. Pakistan will slowly try to settle down and they wold be more focused on development than using nuclear bomb against India. China will not risk bombing India with nuclear weapon for any good reason. It is unthinkable that a country will be so foolish in the 21st century that it will use nuclear weapon against another country. That possibility is simply non-existent. Those who are showing the necessity of conducting nuclear test in future and hence opposing the deal are showing poor political judgment and their views based on more ideological inferences than reality.
RE:Deal or No Deal
by hotajiva on Jul 03, 2008 09:30 AM Permalink
If the world has stakes in business in china, then china will just nuke india and yet world will continue doing what it is doing, albeit some noises from ngo, activist groups. China is not iraq. US and europe will suffer from massive inflation if they place trade barriers to china. Western companies will try to keep business as usual. Except for yearly candle light walk no one is going to shed a tear about nuking india.
My and your kidneys will be on sale in china, after that
RE:Deal or No Deal
by cynic on Jul 03, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
In any case China will crush us if they *decide* to nuke India. We have nothing to match them. At the best we can nuke some of their cities, and their GDP will go down by 10% max. Being a communist government, they will decide sacrificing 10% of GDP and some 5% of their population is a small price to pay(they killed their own citizens in Tiananmen) for the total and complete annihilation of India. But their growth will go on. So why test at all following your logic. What is the point of having weapons at all to counter China.
I fail to understand why some public still vote for communists. What have then done for the country except giving the hardship to millions of people they rule? Look at the states they govern; they are full of poverty, hunger and ridden with political murders. It has been proven long back that communists never wanted India to prosper, their only goal was and has been to make India under the leadership of China.
The current crisis exposes their vicious mentality more. I hope those who vote for them, will at least think twice in next election. I want them to be completely wiped out of Indian political map. That will not happen until we act on them. We need to look at us now.
What are we going to do stop these bunch of lunatics to come to power?
RE:US and India nuclear deal
by Risikesh Roy on Jul 03, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Only the illiterates and the muslims(90% of whom are also illiterate) vote for communist.That i9s the reason the communist will never promote education to its voters.
