RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by sri on Apr 25, 2008 09:39 PM Permalink
Goldent, there is no doubt that christianity has done a lot of harm. But there is no doubt either that muslim invaders by their own accounts tried to convert by force and the Sikh gurus are just one example. The reason that it was not worse than what it is (30-40% of the total population if you look at unpartitioned India or even by combining BAngla/Pak?iNdia now) is becasue India was too large and the invaders were not as much in number as could have assaulted the entire Hindu population. Moreoever at some point they got tired of it or were distracted by power, or were thwarted by the more secular and tolerant such as Akbar. But conversions were going on throughout and the Hindus were kept at bay as second class citizens who had value enough not to be wiped out.
Even now, I have heard numerous accounts of how muslims are advised in mosques in bengal and elsewhere (even in some British mosques) to marry Hindu girls and to convert them. It is not the sword anymore but it goes on in other ways.
The important thing right now is not to deny it but to accept history, to distance oneself from the invaders (not embrace them as many muslims do) and to bond with the Hindus as equals and as brothers and as Indians with a great joint destiny.
RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by onlooker on Apr 27, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
GREAT reply Sri!!..yeah christians even have ASKED APOLOGY(pope asked for crime against galileo..can u imagine from MUSLIMS?)...i CANT believe muslims any time.
RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by True Indian on Apr 25, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
hi golden... you say non muslims from india prospered only because they work in arab countries.. mist of the indians that work in arab countries are muslims from kerala mostly.. my cousin who obviously is a hindu was working as a doctor in saudi arabia for couple of years.. he used to tell me the torture.. hindus cant worship their gods even in their home...
99.9% of muslims that live in india think india is not their homeland and they want to create a seperate homeland for them..
when we were kids and used to watch cricket matches between india an paks, all the musim guys used to support pakistan. never understood why at that age...
every year lakhs of muslims are sent to haj from india for free... still they dont like our country. they do acts of terrorism like mumbai bombing, IISC attacks, Godhra attacks, Bombay riots, Akshardem Temple attack, attack on ram temple in ayodhya, coimbatore attacks, attacks on the vinayaka idol procession everyear
country getting ruined and ruined by you morons... get out of the country.. go to pakistan, bangladesh or somewhere in the middle east and live with people that are muslims and die because of shia-sunni clashes..
RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by onlooker on Apr 27, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
...dont be angry...their religion is inherently weak...just wait for the bloody OIL resources in arab countries to dwindle...
RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by deepak on Apr 26, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
No they didnt hv the power of converting you idiot...Muslims lived under Christians all over the world form Libya to Indonesia, they should ahve forced you to convert like they did in Spain and we wouldnt hv terrorists now.
RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by sri on Apr 25, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
Have you been to Egypt? I have. I have also followed information about how poorly off the Coptics are. They are not only scorned but also attacked and have lived in fear over the centuries. But also, as Islam becomes older and purer in these lands it become more intolerant. When Egypt was being converted, they still retained some paganism and so the coptics fell through that crack and survived. Many of them want to migrate to the West. There is a terrible fear that grips non-muslims in muslim lands of persecution and death. It is not about discrimination that Indian muslims sometimes might feel but much much worse.
Look what the Arab janjaweed is doing to the dark-skinned Africans in Sudan/Darfur. See what the Sunni extemists are doing to christians in Iraq - many have been killed or attacked or frightened away.
India faced all this a few hundred years ago and Hindus were carriesdaway as slaves over the Hindu kush - how do you think that name came about?
RE:RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by sri on Apr 25, 2008 09:46 PM Permalink
But look at how intolerant Malaysia is to the Hindus. Hindus are not allowed to even bury their dead as Hindus sometimes. We talk about Babri masjid. A hundred Hindus temples have been razed in MAlaysia in the last 5 years or so all in the name of public need. In kolkata they have been trying to move (not raze) one mosque away from the airport for the last few years and they have been unsuccessful. Intolerance is nothing new to Islam, unfortunately.
RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by Golden on Apr 25, 2008 09:57 PM Permalink
you have complete misinformation malaysia. i dont think you have ever been there. you talk to hate mongers and they give you false ideas.
i went there and saw the situation clearly. hidus are enjoying there even more than in india. they are prospering like anything. specially indian tamils are the fast growing community there. you are talking about temples destroyed, it never happpend, you are just imagining. you have so say something so you are saying it.. perhaps you dont know that the biggest statue of ayappa is not in any hindu country, it is in the very heart of malaysia, Kualalumpur.. i saw it by my own eyes...
burying hindu...humm you are talking about murthy perhaps.. yes he had accepted islam and there were proper witnesses about this. just because his wife was still hindu, it doesnt mean that he will be buried like a hindu tirual. he was muslim so he was buried as a muslim ritual. not body forced his wife to become a muslims. she still remained hindu..
RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by mallikarjuna on Apr 26, 2008 12:35 AM Permalink
boy , you should join politics, specially when you talk about seeing everything with your eyes in malaysia too, not just kashmir
RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by onlooker on Apr 27, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
so brothers and sisters of india by MUSLIM-INTELLECTUAL(oxymoran??) we always get people like this fellow "GOLDEN" ...every muslim is a great politician ..like their prophet...brain washed ..culture-confused(r they arabs or humans?)..violent ..and full of HATRED for other religions and people..
RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by leonard on Apr 26, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
This is probably not relevant to the topic, but why would Hindus leave India and want to build temples in a country like Malaysia, I would have thought that India is much more prosperous and much better to live
RE:RE:who says islam was spread on sword....?
by onlooker on Apr 27, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
oh is it...WHY WOULD MUSLIMS invade india..build mosques..kill..rape or convert women..is it their IP??..
RE:Love Guru-movie mocks us
by friendly on Apr 25, 2008 08:24 PM Permalink
maybe we should start an online petition and also ask the question to political parties asking them what they are doing about it. Just a suggestion.
RE:RE:India and Persia
by Golden on Apr 25, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
i have given you some points. how many points do you want by the way.. any way thanks for your question and i got the chance to open the eyes of other specially neutral people who are may main audiance.
RE:India and Persia
by raj sreedhar on Apr 25, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
Nanchil ,Very well said. And it is a fact. If you go back in history Persia always was the aggresor. Mugal history is the evidence. Iranian president want to wipe out Isreal, that was his statement. First of all these are Persians not Arabs. Persia want to dominate West Asia without a doubt. This man is not a Angel.
RE:You can trust anybody but not a muslim.
by ashok kumar on Apr 26, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
Muslims are reporting all messages for abuse in secular India....whereas in Muslim countries they always abuse others.............
RE:You can trust anybody but not a muslim.
by sri on Apr 25, 2008 10:00 PM Permalink
Many muslims are patriotic and true to India. We are grateful to them and love them as brothers. But those also exist in the community who are a disgrace to these muslims. Just as they are Hindus.
But we should not at the same time erase the history of islam as being intolerant towards other religions.
RE:You can trust anybody but not a muslim.
by leonard on Apr 26, 2008 01:04 AM Permalink
Testimony to that is the fact that Rafi was India's greatest ambassador being the only male Indian singer with world wide acclaim because of his dinctinct and powerful voice. It is believed that India would never be able to produce someone like him.
RE:RE:You can trust anybody but not a muslim.
by onlooker on Apr 27, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
lets not talk this and that..just lets have a BLANKET-statement that ALL MUSLIMS dont have anything other than religion in mind...if u consider "some" few who r good...then the rest will keep bombs in our toilet...be aggressive
RE:US
by deepak on Apr 26, 2008 07:56 AM Permalink
Hey Goldie..dont diss US man..it feeds Pakistan, pays top dollar for Islamic terrorists caught, so much so Pakis getting beheaded for the prize money..US also has two of your uncivilized countries namely Aghanistan & Iraq under its boots where it is vowed to bring western civilization complete with Playboy & Penthouse.
RE:he is a man with gutss...
by softouch on Apr 25, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Do you mean 'jai hind' or 'jain hind'? Of course this happens when you use a word which rarely utter.
RE:he is a man with gutss...
by Golden on Apr 25, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
your logic is something totally absurd. there can be typo. if you english is reall good then why dont you open a class, i shall come and learn from you...
This is one of the few things the UPA is getting right. We need Iran's oil and gas and also need to prevent Iran from backing Pakistan against us. More over, the USA is not likely to abandon their relationship with India over this issue. There isn't much to lose, only gain from this stand. The fundamental issue is that you can influence a friend better than you can a foe. India mayl emerge as a major interlocutor between Iran and USA.
RE:Prudent stand
by Golden on Apr 25, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
it is not the question of oil or what. it is the question of standing beside the righteous person and nation. every one knows that iran has got full right to develop but those who want to crush and keep crushing weak nations, dont want any one to progress as it will jeopardise their greedy intentions.
we must support who thrive for their right, intoday's world even talking about your rights is jihad and we all (any one who thinks he is right irrespective of their race,region and religion) must do this jihad (struggle hard for this)...
RE:Prudent stand
by softouch on Apr 25, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
Well ! Even Hitler thought what he was doing is right. The country's foriegn policy cannot be driven by emotions. Look what happened with 'hindi chini bhai bhai'. Nehru was a foolish romantic, and the country had to pay for his foolishness.
