Yes, this is true with most of the high profile managers. They feel that people should work beyond working hours even if they do not have any pending task. According to them, every employee should work for more than 40 hours no matter how efficient/inefficient he/she is. I've seen such managers who just cant take it if employee do not stretch the work hours!!
RE:Working only for 40 hours/week is crime
by minesh patel on May 01, 2008 09:31 PM Permalink
alll around world people working 40 hrs except india....... they are not stupid that make rule for 40 hrs..... in india i have worked 24 hrs continuous wothout any break or relief from work in production line as a chemical engineer thats why i left country....all manager and employer look thie job done ..they dont think thier fello employeeee ....this is nasty attitude.. and it happen everywhere dont tell me that you all very smart..doesnt matter ow you intelligent and smart when is health and safety matter
RE:RE:Working only for 40 hours/week is crime
by sriram murthy vuppala on May 01, 2008 09:57 PM Permalink
Are you a manager ( My earlier boss also use to say like you only ).
RE:Working only for 40 hours/week is crime
by Insane on May 01, 2008 10:02 PM Permalink
i was made to stand for 10 hours straight on a production line of a lamp manufacturing unit for 6000 bucks a month 4 years back..during summers the temperature inside the plant would go as high as 50 degrees..then i decided to leave the country as in India only brand name sells..m glad i did that..that country doesn't know how to respect its people..
RE:Working only for 40 hours/week is crime
by Julius on May 01, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
If u are concerned about the situation in India, it's me and u who formed that country. Country is formed by it's people. Not just landmass. We are equally responsible for pitching in to correct the situation there.
RE:Working only for 40 hours/week is crime
by jay b on May 01, 2008 10:00 PM Permalink
managers make the most money(commission) ,get to mentally harasss,dominate the lower level employee, work the least and mostly have a good time in the pvt sector in mumbai atleast
I am so tired of seeing wrong and negative messages being conveyed by these media guys. Now look at this.....tell me one single person however qualified who has reached top without dirtying their hands. The problem with so called qualified people in India with the rising salaries is that no one wats to diry their hands. They want a corner cabin with first class perks from day one just so surf internet on their swanky laptop. Please understand, unless one has the problem solving attitude and courage to take challanges, one can not grow. I dont understand whats the harm in observing people's tea and toilet going habits if it solves a big issue for the company and saves millions of rs. to the company. May be it was the way to get recognized for that enginner which he lost. I know many of friends from TOP MOST B-schools who have done their management training in the dirtiest villages in India (where you dont even have electricity and water) to understand the syche of the indian consumer. Trust me, a so called MBA sitting in his cabin would know Sh** about the consumer in a dirty village in Gujarat. My message to younger generation....please be ready to do anything in the starting years of your career that enhances your learning to the greatest possible extent. Be the hands-on and problem solving person and MONEY WILL FOLLOW YOU...
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Manu on May 01, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
This article is written with a sympathetic attitude. Such attitude leads to parasites in the making. An MBA doing marketing, an engineer finding solutions is the norm of the skills mentioned.
Instead of finding alternatives/solutions to the problems, the article sympathizes with the loosers. All the three people quoted as examples have little reality on what they are doing. The article should have addressed the issues like if you are in a situation like this, then taking an alternative step like training or seeking guidance will help. As I wrote earlier in my previous message, the author needs to be smacked for lack of realistic knowledge/insight into the subject and is negative.
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Maysh on May 01, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
I agree..The first job is always the hardest and one has to slog in order to learn.
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Mahesh Khetan on May 01, 2008 10:06 PM Permalink
I fully agree - the examples given show failure on the part of youngster - why do take a loan from a company that too when you are just one year old in that company - if that engineer cannot prevent theft from a warehouse, how is he going to prevent this from a factory and achieve cost of operation target - such people do not survive for long in any organisation
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Intrepid on May 01, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
You are missing the point. If you have MBA in finance, you would expect to work on some finance related thing. Many a times, your qualification and the nature of work are not compatible. I can understand your argument about "getting hands dirty". But if you are an engineer and if you are doing a job of a worker on a regular basis, then it's a problem. You can do such a job occasionally to understand the problems that a worker has to deal with. Companies should have well defined roles for engineers and management graduates.
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Manu on May 01, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
Your message "....you would expect to work on some finance related thing..."
This clearly says about the attitude problem. When there is incompatibility, brush up your skills. Keep risk factors minimum so that you can get out faster.
RE:When will this media convey the right message??????
by Indian on May 01, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
Hi Intrepid, I am not sure about your qualification(Not that it matters) but being an MBA i can say with full confidence that MBA in Finance or Marketing is a misnomer. MBA is generalized course which teaches you little bit about everything. If we go by what you are saying then an MBA in finance should also deny a job of a consultant in Retail marketing in Mckinsey. it is all about problem soving attitude which you will never learn unless you experience the problem yourself. get deeper into it and thats why dirtying your hands become important which unfortunately youngsters dont do because of sudden incomprehensible salary bubble in india. Thats is the ACTUAL DARK SIDE OF JOBS BOOM....people shedding away from learning attitude and just focussing on money.
in india people dont car what you study..employer know some poeple are needy for job so they emply you and give you more stress... in uk and eu there is a steress policy available ... if yo u get stressed out from work you can go sick and if you sue them and win you compensate and employer fined pelnty pounds and dollars..... is this possible in india ..... i dont thing so....... becasue people and employer lied to each other.... any way good luck those who find good employer who cares theire employeeee.... some employer forgot what they wrong doing with their employeeeee .....they forgot thier responsibility as a employer and just keep them as slave..... i hate this kind of employer ...i alredy pass from this stage and now so i quit india and this kind of emploer forced me to leave country and now happy working in UK...and study and working on Occupational Health and ASfety.... good luck to all on this forum
Please do not blame the companies, it is the candidates responsibilty to understand and ask his or her roles and responsibilites. The problem lies with the candidates they switch jobs every few months for few thousand rupees, rugh to get the sign on bonus and dont understand the implications.
RE:What kind of crap is this?
by Intrepid on May 01, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
That's where the problem is. In interview they say one thing and you end up doing something totally different.
RE:RE:What kind of crap is this?
by Julius on May 01, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
You have a freedom to quit the job. We are equally responsible for pitching in to correct the situation in our country.
Even though I had tussles with Ali in certain areas, I completely agree with him in this one.
RE:India must have reservations till 85% of all registered marriages are inter-caste.
by Manu on May 01, 2008 10:02 PM Permalink
85% reservations - pls don't spoil india. We are already in deep shit with 35% pass people sitting and making decisions on engineering / management /security issues of the country.
We need to throw reservations out of our country, but the politicians won't allow.
What is the parliament doing, in UK and Europe no one is allowed to work more then 40 Hours in factories and 35 in offices. Any one working extra then this is paid at double rate in overtime. mmaximum time for both is 42 hours a weelk and not an a minute over. every employee knows the rule and every employer has to follow it , otherwise the government cracks on it. It is the fault of the employee that they do not educate them self with the law and do not throw it at the employer, thus employers taking advantage. Check the law and see what it says. The fixed salary should not be cut but the OTE(On target earing) may increase or decrease. If one meets its target then he/she gets the fixed bonus if target is exceeded then the bonus is enhanced if the target is not met then the one gets the fixed salary. It is as easy as that. Check the law of employment. Google EEC working directive Which applies to Europe and check it out yourself. You people want a law like that. Want to be westernized follow some good western systems examples as well and not just fashion.
I agree with the author. I will give you examples of people doing jobs for which they are way too overqualified: 1. Computer Science graduates doing data entry. 2. MBAs doing data entry of sales figures in Excel spreadsheet. Everybody has to do this kind of work occasionally. But if that becomes a full time job for an MBA graduate, it's a problem. 3. Computer science graduates working as a personal secretary of the project manager. 4.Engineers doing the job of a shop floor worker. 5.MBA graduates as an e-mail forwarding service. 6.Engineers who have to deal with abusive workers on the shop floor to request them to do their job. Sometimes these new hires get beaten up on the shop floor by workers. Their crime usually is that they ask a wrong person(union leaders or local goonda) to do what they are getting paid for.
Anyone who thinks that the person who is doing this kind of job should have asked for the nature of the job in his/her interview, doesn't know reality. Some of us are lucky to get a job we like. Many are stuck in a miserable situation because of financial or other problems. Many hit the bottle. Some take their frustration out on their family. Too much competition ,mass production and consume more and produce more attitude of companies is responsible for this. We need companies that give equal importance to their bottomline as well as the well being of their employees. Afterall, technology and all the scientific advances are for man, man is not for technolo
RE:It's a big problem...
by Manu on May 01, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
All your examples are of people who are still having problems understanding their skills and how to apply them or to recognize where they have to work.
RE:It's a big problem...
by Maysh on May 01, 2008 09:41 PM Permalink
If you dont like the job you are doing, then quit.... no one is forcing you to do it. We crib too much
RE:RE:It's a big problem...
by Intrepid on May 01, 2008 10:02 PM Permalink
True, no one is forcing anyone to do it. But quitting is easier said than done. And I wasn't talking about myself. I enjoy my job. But in one of the project I was working on, one guy, a techie, was made to work as a personal secretary of the project manager and he did quit. But it took him six months to find a new job. The agony of doing a job that you hate was a big problem for him.
RE:It's a big problem...
by chini jain on May 01, 2008 09:21 PM Permalink
r u saying ppl r made to do a job lesser thn wht thr qualification calls for? and what abt the person? his/her individual competencies? do u think an employer is tht dumb?
RE:It's a big problem...
by Intrepid on May 01, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
The simple answer is YES. But it's not the employer who is at fault. It's your manager who makes you do things that you are overqualified for.
Like a consumer court, we need a fast track Job court to nail the bullying employers and bosses. How many harrassments and mental tortures go unnoticed. The govt should ban the bonds by employers since it goes against the human rights.
RE:We need a Job court
by chini jain on May 01, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
if u dont like your job leave it... thr r 100s more better deserving thn u... u go n fight for human rights... ur employers will get someone else....
There is something to be said about the quality of debate one gets on the rediff board. Its immature and sometimes down right offensive. Let me list some of the key words that form the crux of debate on this board:
1) north indians Vs south Indians 2) Hindu Vs Muslim 3) Pro and Anti reservation 4) Pro and Anti 'leave India for a better life' 5) India is crap place or not 6) SC ST OBC 7) Pakistan Vs India 8) Pro and Anti america 9) MC / BC and other explicit short forms 10) Anything that can be made out to be personal affornt 11) Lewd comments about girls and more than likely white skinned girls
Any of above, in any combination can be found on discussions on any topic on Rediff.
Hardly reflects on an intellectual nation and a kowledge based economy we proport ourselves to be.
RE:Quality of msg on board
by Julius on May 01, 2008 08:48 PM Permalink
Believe it or not! These are the only topics that is discussed by our leaders in the parliament too!
