RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by PrEmAnAnD NoRoNhA on May 01, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
if ya remember, there is a labor law in existence in India , and not gettin compensated for working extra can make you to go to labor court and get your employer to task , thats y companies make people come in management cadre , because laws are only non management cadre , to these non mgt cadre , people give huge targets and less time , which makes them work out of force , its nothin but abuse n abuse , the answer to all this is simple , adopt communism !!
RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by indian on May 01, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
All employees of different companies can group together,atleat employess of companies which belong to one area. And consult local CPM OR CPI office. Make a deal like if u force companies to implement labour laws, then we will vote for. This is one idea. Another one is file a petition in high court stating people are exploiting employees in the name of bonds. Doctors in Andhra Pradesh fought for their rights. Same with singereine( coal mines) workers who fought for their rights. Rights are fought not given by anybody.Like this many people have many idea's.
RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by Mitul Shah on May 01, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Because of South Indian people, the whole indian people has to work more than 12 hours.
SI people comes to north india, they don't have relatives here, they don't have industries there in SI, so they work more than 12 hours.
RE:RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by nagendra k on May 01, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
when NI comes to south, they dont have any life other than office or they tend to stay in the office for 12-15 hours everyday..
RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by dominodeck on May 01, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
Wah Mitulbhai, gujju spirit ho. So be self employed. Its better to be Panwalla rathen then become highly paid slave.
RE:RE:any suggestions to make 8 hrs working implemented like western countries
by PrEmAnAnD NoRoNhA on May 01, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
i dont agree to that , nor am i willing to buy that , tis community based marcations are goin to ruin the whole nation !!! we are unfortunately 30 countries in one country !!! didnt except from a member of the community that respects entreuprenuership
Fair Working Conditions consists of: 1.Reasonable working hours 2.Health Saftey precautions on working assignments. 3.Total avoidance of unnecessary bondage/right to livelihood.
The party which is built on countless sacrifices of ordinary people, is shamelessly mum at the horrific work culture that is emerging on the basis of sheer exploitation of working class. Even in US, the utmost capitilistic country labour laws are stringent enough to rope in the empolyers. This isnt new to India alone. The commies in China is so reluctant to accept the sheer exploitation of labourers in China that it is assumed that the condition of ordinary workers there would be one amoung the countless reasons that might pull down the communits rule. Its shame to watch the communits taking anti-progressive movement like hidering Nuclear deal while they cast a blind eye towards that working class whose sweat earned money is being squeesed out to fill the coffers in the form of taxes. And what you they get in return for that? Nothing but exploitation!!
Iam a CSE Engineer from indians top Engineering college REC/NIT, but still the case is same with me too. It not necessary that it happens with only low grade colleges. In indian IT sector is dominated by service sector and Support. every where its mere customer service...and more of mere bull shit of mere talking on phone and doing monotonous routine , where application of brain is just 0%, which doesnt require any knowledge at all and graduation is totally out of requirement. But still people in india do it because graduates are available in plenty and indians are happy with the penny that they get and many shy away from competitions and are happier comparing thier economy with thier parents days. its not only at the entry level or development work people, its true even with management jobs in india. All the managers who are working for US based companies here are mere puppets, and shake thier head for what ever is given to them and never negotiate and are hardly good enough to crack a deal on thier own. All thier power goes on only with the labourers at india and it hardly has any impact with the clients, foriegn delegates or any where effective. Over a point of time when u realise all these i feel its all bull shit. YOu really can't grow and are often under employed and can't do what u are potentila of and what u wish to. MNC are no way great. Small india based start ups are better, where u have freedom , growth and satisfaction for what we do , just in par to ur abi
RE:Big MNCs always suck majority of times
by anand rohit on May 01, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
I too am a graduate from NIT in ECE, and what you said is perfectly true and I faced it. Though i was lucky to get out of the mess pretty soon. As far as services industry is concerned, the scenario will be pretty much everywhere. We dont get the opportunity to work with product based companies. In the IT, its all testing / support etc. But there are lots of start-ups coming up, which provide tremendous learning opportunities, but the issue there is over-expectations of the employer, lack of job security, ruining of personal life. Though all the above mentioned factors get offset by one thing...knowledge. Another thing is Engineers are available in abundance, hence value is getting deteriorated day by day. lets hope India gets some good product based companies in future .
RE:Big MNCs always suck majority of times
by qec qec on May 01, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
The Whole problem is due to unfair distribution of wealth & Feudal mindset of the society at large
Every one needs to understand that every worker only needs to to work 8 Hours per day according to Labour Laws. This laws are strictly practised in western countries. I myself work in western country.Beleive it or not every one here works in office between 9:oo AM To 5:30 PM. But in INDIA, labour laws are not implemented.Because there are no union's in private companies.People have to fight for their rights, otherwise people live like slaves. In INDIA many people are working like slaves.This is fact.Any person working beyond 10 HRS per day is a slave.
The condition described in this article is infact true to its core. Young boys and gals are offered jobs in big corporate houses to do stupid job. Even before they come to know there job profile they sign the bond with the organisation. The sign because the trust those big names, and when they face reality it will be already too late. As more and more junk work from West is coming to india , people( So called engineers who just know modelling and drafting) believe that they are doing great job. All i feel is this job boom is based on work coming from west, which doesnt require special trained engineers and MBA but rather high school students. Dollar fluctuation cause jobs layoff. In which kind of surrounding we are living?? This remains a big question
An MBA does not mean that one does not need grassroot level experience..what should Smita's job profile been...a cushy 9 to 6 job in an air-conditioned room devising strategies??? Is it so easy to do that without having experience about customer handling??? No such strategy works unless one has experience...an MBA helps one to understand customers and market better but it does not replace learning by being involved in grassroot levels for some years...many FMCG CEOs today and also in other companies, started at the shop floor or in the market...ask any Unilever CEO or top managers...ask any CEO even Ratan Tata...they all started at the lowest level...I think the problem lies with Smita and her father who think just becuase she has MBA, she can be GOD on day one in the company!!! They are immature to say the list...surely Smita does not understand business and how to build career in industry...the writer of this article also seems to be totally detached from realities and he has no understanding of corporate careers...he should have done enough research before writing such a piece...
RE:Everybody has to start at scratch to learn
by Farooq Khan on May 01, 2008 05:52 PM Permalink
Mr. Dudhead Dipankar Sarkar! You might not be aware about the educational background of so called esteemed people which you named in your post but hey were not even graduate when they started their career take the case of bill gate he was a high school failure hadn't he and if he would be a MBA degree holder he hadn't started MicroSoft same as with TATA et al... The name of the degree itself can tell you about the nature of duties while work... e.g. MBA stands for Master of Business Administration in which way smita was administrating business???? By mannin phone numbers door to door???? She was basically working as Field Sales Officer which normally gets Rs 9000/pm in HDFC bank... It seems that you are still living in fantasy world otherwise if you came across any such person who is doing a work of field-sales-officer you can tell about the horrific conditions of him/her in your present posts... In no way any MBA person should do this work if he/she should do then he/she needn't to be an MBA!!! To understand the market there are several field officer hired by bank who can directly give reports about customer nature to any team leader and this leader can tell MBA person and then the work of MBA starts to make things better for his company by analysing the market situatioon. One don't need to get into market to know about market! Do you become a doodhwala for getting milk simply you want to analyse present corruption in milk selling??? Think out of the AC room Mr.
RE:Everybody has to start at scratch to learn
by Dipankar Sarkar on May 01, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Well...Mr. Farooq...do you know about people like M.S.Banga (ex-Hindustan Lever CEO, now Unilever category head in London), Ajay Gupta (ex-Coke CEO), Subrata Bagchi (Mindtree)...and a loads of other top managers in Indian companies? I think it's not I but thousands of people in India think they will start inside an AC cabin on day one...find these people and ask them how and where they started after having degrees from IIM, IIT and the likes!! Then you won't have to call me a 'Dudhead'!!!
RE:Everybody has to start at scratch to learn
by Kaushik Ganguli on May 02, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
Farooq - you are taking on Dipankar my Bengali brother in arms in a abusive manner, it seems you are from Marathwada region of Maharashtra where the rudest people in India come from. I do not wish to stoop to your level but it is evident that far from being an MBA, you would not be able to even spell MBA properly.
What Dipankar is saying is absolutely correct. People like MS Banga have actually sold soap in the remote corners of India to know the market and the mindset of consumers. It is this grinding and rigour which has made HLL (now HUL) the most fantastic training ground for CEOs. You have to also see people like Mr Murali Sivaraman, MD Philips who started his career as an IT consultant for ICI, or see Ms Lalita Gupte - a law officer for ICICI. Someone like Subroto Bagchi came from a humble family in Orissa and rose to the pinnacle of success in Wipro.
There is no substitute for hard work and rigour and you must know the process to learn and earn. You must get your hands dirty and work in a focussed manner and in this respect, your boss plays a critical role in evolving the job for you.
Bill Gates, Steve Jobs are exceptions rather than the rule. I would rather go by people who worked in one company all their lives and grew with the company and enriched and contributed to the welfare of the organisation.
And lastly, never make the mistake of taking on a Bengali - we are the springing tigers of the land - read Hugh Troys biography of Netaji.
As per the law no company can take any bond or security deposit or training fee from its own employees. Smita should have sued the company and made a lot more money. Shows how little she learned from her MBA course.
RE:BOND?
by KVN KIREET on May 01, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
Yes...All the companies including top IT companies take freshers with bond only...Its not just Banks/BPO cos...Generally these guys are free after 2 yrs and the bond is released...
RE:Bond Executed By Employees
by Proud Indian on May 01, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
No, its not legally valid. Not in India. In the US,a few years ago service bonds were ruled as 'slavery' and banned. Incase you want to leave a company and are not doing any permanent harm, you can leave - and can bwe 99% assured that the company will not bother to chase up. Now if you are harming the company like staling or taking IP or encouraging loads of employees to come along with you, the company will chase you. Most companies have become innovative and have the employees take a compulsary loan which is to be repaid by the employee for 24 months and the company will refund the employee the full amount after 24 months. This is illegal as forced debt is illegal in India ( from the days of end of Zamindaars and Sahukaars). Lastly, a few companies hold back bonuses till to serve a fixed term with them. There is nothing you can do then - just jump ship and forget the money.
