veg. oil will also creates more or less same level of pollution like petrol and diesel. But the cost per litre is cheap. That is the only advantage. Existing fossil fuel is enough only for few years from now where as we can produce veg. oil any time.
Soon the real estate companies in india will be actively purchasing barren land. The main reason being Jatrophia an active biofuel producting plant could be cultivated in barren land. Every barren land would now be equivalent to an oil field. Invest in Barren Lands. Triple your ROI. Time for the next biggest mass deceit.
People who are working on biofuel projects are defending themselves to servive. Just do little bit of search on internet and you will find out the facts which will discorage you from supprting this. Hydrogen is also one of the dirtiest fuel. Hydrogen atmos are so small that they can escape from ever steel containers and damage the ozone layer faster than what grren house gases are doing to it. Wind and solar should be ultimate goal and for cars ..I just love lithium battery even though the transmission and storage losses are there.
RE:Bio Fuel & Solar Energy
by Raj Reddy on Mar 09, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
Are you kidding 90% of petroleum products replaced??
Coal produces about 80% of the world Electric power.
Over 200 billion gallons of Petroleum products (Gasoline, Diesel and other products) are used every year to run our cars, trucks, trains, ships, planes and everything else.
How can all this be replaced in 10 years. Think before you write.
Even with the best renewable fuels, we can replace around 5 to 10% of the world usage of Petroleum products.
We should rather concentrate on increasing the efficiency of the vehicle (only 20% of the gas burned moves the car, rest is lost to heat). Use Nuclear power to generate electricity, etc etc.
RE:Biofuel
by vinod kumar on Mar 09, 2008 05:57 AM Permalink
Headline in US newspapers of 1912 'Ford Cars will reduce Pollution from Horses'. Back then we thought that Horses and Cows were dirty and polluting and we invented 'clean' cars. How foolish!! No we are trying to feed these cars bio-fuel. Mankind always creates more problems for themselves and environment in the name of solutions. This is all driven by the western model of development - 'Control nature, Control resources, Control people'. This is all very self-destructive in the long run.
A horse requires less amount of biofuel - when compared to a car.And it can be used as a tracting purpose.Also we don't need the processiong factories as a horse's biological systems are an efficient means of converting bio mass into energy.I am seeing in future we would have horse powered motors, horse powered trains, horse powered flights etc.Let us be more practical BIO FUELS are STUPID. They are an old notion.It will create food insecurity in thirld world countries.What we need is technological advancement in miniaturizing nuclear reactors.For example a car comes embedded with a nuclear pellet which would be enough to keep it running for it's natural life.What we should look at is way to advance technology than fads like cooking oil
RE:Go back to the villages and let us bring back horses into the picture
by sidharth kumar on Mar 09, 2008 03:18 AM Permalink
praveen..excellenet thought..infact..we can have a small hydel power plant or a coal based power plant in a car..basically...carry a few ton of coal or drum of water in ur vehicle and a technically advanced power plant will generate enough electicity to run ur car..or carry a portable nuclear power plant in vehicle ..ur an out of box thinker...basically, a thinker who should be boxed for his thoughts..
RE:Go back to the villages and let us bring back horses into the picture
by sidharth kumar on Mar 09, 2008 03:30 AM Permalink
I would also think horse powers aircrafts are a good idea...as it is we had flying horses in Mahabnarat and ramayana..also I would suggest horse powers ships..say a few lakh horses deployed to haul a ship...but one of the key issu is how do we breed so many horses and were do we breed the..in a sense it is a good business oppertunity as we can have companies who can breed laks and laks of horses..or even donkeys...one of the donkey could be Mr Praveen George..
RE:Go back to the villages and let us bring back horses into the picture
by Praveen George on Mar 09, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
hi hi .. Creative thinking Sidharth Kumar. Donkeys would be ashamed to have me with them . haha.
RE:Go back to the villages and let us bring back horses into the picture
by shirish devade on Mar 08, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
What with the cost of cooking oil, not affordable to eat, then we talk of putting in bikes...weird...what will it do to the cost of edible oil.
RE:Go back to the villages and let us bring back horses into the picture
by A p on Mar 09, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
At least the trucks transporting vegetable oil to the market will never run out of fuel! :D
Friends, Biofuels are going to be a reality in future.We need to judiciously strike balance between using the crops (Corn, Sweet Sorghum, oilseeds)as source of fuels(energy), food ,feed and organic manures. By applying suitable agronomic practices and making rational use of water sources, we shall have to reach very high production levels. Pl. be assured, Indian farmers and farm scientists are capable to deliver the goods. -sharad
Its time to ban bio-fuel. If we don't have enough food to eat what's the point having enough fuel. Diverting farmlands to raise bio-fuel for the rich is going to drive humanity to insanity...
Veg oil costs almost double of petrol. The article does not give fuel economy figures. We better consume all the mined fuel before venturing into alternate fuels. If veg oil will also cause environmental pollution if consumed in large quantities.
RE:What is the cost?
by R Tyagi on Mar 08, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
First, we are not the last survivors to mine all fuel for ourselves, knowing what it will mean for the future generations. Second, veg oil comes as a natural biological product and is part of carbon cycle which is not unidirectional, as long as we keep planting and maintaining trees. And thus in absolute terms do not cause uncompensable pollution.
