Maximum of them joined infosys and TCS are not from IT or CS background. So, They just joined because of the handsome salary these IT companies are offering. After doing 1 year job, they just look some other company for good break. That's the reason...
RE:In TCS,Infosys...
by venkat ramani on Jul 23, 2007 05:53 PM Permalink
Then why they are taking people from B.TECH Bio Tech from the campus interview without IT background. Can you/they explain
RE:In TCS,Infosys...
by Narad on Jul 23, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
Because biotech companies outsource the Statistical analysis job involving heave IT & number crunching along with knowledge of bio tech
Companies are mainly responsible for such exodus, they fool candidates with empty promises and try to get them at low salaries, and also ill treat then in all ways once they are in, no technical worker is happy with the management as a result. It is simple exploitation going in everywhere, so the technical worker does not develop any attachment with the company. There is no respect for technical people in the IT industry, they are treated like coolies and nothing more. So they look only at money and keep changing jobs, nothing wrong in it. Company managers are only interested in exploiting the coolies, and their vested interests. Ask any tech guy if he has got any of his reimbursment properly paid, ask if he has got work in his work area, ask if any of his joining promises are fulfilled? answer would be a big NO. Treat the tech guys well, pay them good salaries, more importantly respect them, and then see the result.
If you are working in IT industries there will be many of you wanting to work in these top 4 companies.... But do you have friends working in these companies or have worked in these companies..
In TCS even if u complete your tasks assigned to you and want to leave after doing regular 8 hrs ur project manager will ask u to complete other tasks that some inefficient person cannot complete and the project manager will not let u go if u work less than 16 hrs...(That too without over time pay ment)... 1 year before TCS used to send people to US and retained their W2 Forms(equals Form 16 in India) and collected the money the the employee could recieve in tax returns and never paid his employees.... Satyam...though its a good company but a new employee will get a better pay chek and the person who want to stay longer with this company will be ignored at appraisal time...so Attiration is considered rewarding and staying there is negetive. (This thing is valid for almost all IT company).
Wipro- I dont want to comment...bc I dont have any friends there...MAYBE any one of you could share his experience...
But not a single Indian company is employee friendly they only see how much money they can get Exploit the people who works hard...Rewards the people who changes job frequently...
One thing I do appreciate about TCS is they have fixed Salary pattern so if u want to join that company they will not break u for higher salary...thats nice policy because atleast the existing
RE:Not Surprised
by Narad on Jul 23, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
You are on dot, in 1994 we got $2000 pm on overseas assignments. To save some money we used to hire house in outskirts (5 boys together) & travel by cheap second cars costing less than $1000
RE:Not Surprised
by Yuppie Indian on Jul 23, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Hi Narad, In 1994 u were in us?? you seem to be great grandfather of todays engineer generation :)
RE:Not Surprised
by Rajesh Anantharaman on Jul 23, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
this W2 money is easy money friend, every software entrepreneur wants fukat dollars, even atos origin india did that with us though they are part of an MNC. Where there are Indians, MNC let them drive their people rather than get into dirty linen washing politics.
RE:Job
by mbawmba on Jul 23, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
I have done cource in MS Word and Excel Sheet. Plaise find a job. my e-mail: mbawmba@rediffmail.com Plaise contct
RE:Job
by sampath mohapatra on Jul 23, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
There are opening in Nigeria for overseas posting ie India. Many of the existing employees, (drug peddlers & cheats) have been arrested by the Mumbai police. Your profile is apt for the job. Hefty commissions and paid overseas trips (Yerwada jail) are aprt of the job.
RE:Salary Expectation
by Vishal on Jul 23, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
Leave about offerings. How much do you expect???. How about your skill set. How about your soft skill. Evaluate yourself and then expect accordingly
RE:Salary Expectation
by sonu bhandari on Jul 23, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
This is not sufficient information for Expected CTC. SEnd ur detail resume ....
RE:Salary Expectation
by Bharat Indian on Jul 23, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
It purely depends on you Sir...how you negotiate and your priorities.... minimum these days is 12 lacs....can go higher say upto 20 lacs
in these companies, after being in onsite for 2 years, they will quit the company. this is very rude. Though these companies offers less competitive package, they offer good long term onsites. the employees can cash easily in onsites. Once the onsite is over, they would switch to other companies or will move on H1B leaving the project in hell. In order to fill up this gap in short term and to show up for clients, they would recruit fake guys. Again, the cycle continues.....
RE:in TCS
by Bharat Indian on Jul 23, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
See for many people going onsite is something big...without understanding the consequences... Do u know how these Indian companies exploit people by sending them onsite... What things they face in a new Culture... Once a person is sent to US he has to be on his own no one will come to help him...and u pay less for that...A person earning in $ has to pay in $ for his daily needs...do u think if a person from this companies will go to US and ask the shopkeeper or service provider that I am getting less package please offer me discount for that....
Onsite looks as lucrative but its a Hell to go there with these companies who will not leave a stone unturned to exploit you....
For many years now, Infosys has enjoyed the benefits of tax concession and 1:45 Dollor:Rupee ratio. Lets now see how great Narayan Murthy handles this situation if rupee keeps gaining strengths.
Jab Khuda Meharban to Gadha Pahalwan. Lets see intrinsic strength of Infosys and NRN now.
RE:Skills of Narayan Murthy
by Neeraj Kumar on Jul 23, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Lets see the impact of not only strengthening rupee but the strengthening attrition rates as well going hand in hand. Former is visible to outside world, the later gets obscured and a hard biting reality.
RE:RE:Skills of Narayan Murthy
by ll on Jul 23, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
Lohith bhai jyada tension mat lo. I think JJ did not insult any company or anyone. Looks like you're from Karnataka or a software engineer working in Infosys and trying to view things from that perspective. If you are an investor and holding significant number of shares, then you too will have similar concerns.
any one who r totally brainless n thrash works for these companies ,so it doesnot matter how many attrition happens in these companies and higher studies was such an petty reasons to cover their shamless faces.
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by narendra kumar murthy on Jul 23, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
I once heard a famous personality talk about these "slender" IT graduates (Electronics, CS, IS and Telecom) and how sissy like they are. In fact he called them highly paid call center employees. He advocated youngsters to opt for manly and real hard working branches such as mechanical and civil which is real engineering. I think the chips manufacturing for these sissys is also designed and manufactured by mechanical engineers. Being myself a mechanical engineer I fully agree with the great person and appeal to all future engnieering aspirants to opt for the evergreen branches namely mechanical, civil and electrical and shun the other branches which are only the off-shoots of the main branches.
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by Bharat Indian on Jul 23, 2007 05:18 PM Permalink
U know so many of my Friends in Mechanical Engineering branch moved to IT or desparately wants to move to IT... I can think of where Junk trash coming from... Not hard feelings...but I think u shud agree with me that every one has his utility whether a mechanical engineer or IT... The choice is your...but it should be based on the skills ur trained..not based on riding the bandwagan of IT because its hot today.... Right persons should be in right place
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by Rajesh Nair on Jul 23, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Murthy, U R Jealous of these so-called savvy hunks.. aint U.. They get paid more than U..!!! U probably wud have missd the bus by a whisker, lest u too wud be in the keys n mouse industry.
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by ravi kancharana on Jul 23, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
well said......there is gng to be dearth for the traditional enginerrubg graduates!!!!
govt shud adopt some poor students in india,get the graduated,then use them to look after the elecric,civil,mech needs of india.....
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by Narad on Jul 23, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
Dear Murthy dont be egoistic, now a days Engg institutes admit on dowry not on merit. As for so called manliness why most of you clamour for MBA?
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by afser hussain on Jul 23, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
hehehe Mr.Murthy mechanical and civil remain the paternal engineering branches nodoubt about that. but you when you speak in such fashion, it only reminds me of the Indian saying:
100 sunaar ki, 1 lohaar ki
now here 100 and 1 are Dollars we make and lohaar are the mechanical people and we 'sissys' are sunaar.. :)
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by narendra kumar murthy on Jul 23, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
Dear Sonar, It is not only the moolah which you earn but also the job satisfaction, the thrill to see that what you designed is working. What you maintain is still operating and what you produced is being utilized by the end users with appreciation. Come to the branch of fluid mechaics, theory of machines, maintenance, design and thermal engineering. Nothing can come out without being associated with all of the above! Come to the field of real engineering and see how you succeed in your career. Forget being call center guys and obeying the master. Where is your creative skill? You do everything within the set boundaries.
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by anoop babu on Jul 23, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
Ever wonder how the stuff you produce moves around, gets where it needs to get to, gets invoiced and billed and a whole lot of other stuff without which what you mentioned above is but a mere shopfloor activity. Ever thought of how u get to make calls on ur cell fone ? how it gets billed , how u get connected and how the services are provided ? No offense taken against any of the "traditional" branches , but ignorance or a very little bit of knowledge is very dangerous and really makes you look ridiculously silly.
RE:RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by narendra kumar murthy on Jul 23, 2007 07:58 PM Permalink
Moving around a stuff is by courier/carrier. Where it goes by postman. Invoicing by babus, billing by bania, and whole lot of other stuff ---- ????? Who makes the cell phones? Who designs them? Do you know what material is used to make it? Very little bit of knowledg? Well said!
RE:ONly junks fools thrash works for them
by Sujit Kumar on Jul 23, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
This shows your utter frusttation as you miss ?$ in your career!!!
If it's happening b'cos of fake resume's issue,then there is something seriously wrong with the HR policies and selection methods. But probably that may not be the major factor,it could be stress related issue or disappointment on appraisals,finally nothing much would have haapened,u will possibly find the satyam guy in infosys and infosys guy in TCS and viceversa.(career triangle) Bcos after getting some huge pay packs,they individuals have less options than target big bucks.
I agree with u, I see a lot of people who even cannot write a single software code on their own getting employed on high salaries. These people just do not add any value to these organisations. They become a liability.
RE:could be stress factor
by amit saxena on Jul 23, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
Yes Mr. Manoj lalbahadur singh. I also agree with you.... Infact I have also seen so many people... who do nothing..,not able to write a single line of code on their own but enjoys life like a king... On top of all... bcoz of some buttering with PM, they even also manages for onsite as well.....
RE:could be stress factor
by Avi Priten on Jul 23, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
HI, I know a bunch of ASS Holes working at 3 lac per month at STMicro in NOIDA.
They are looking after their own vested interest. Thats why even STM has lost some good young talented engineers to its competition
RE:could be stress factor
by Bharat Indian on Jul 23, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
I agree with you...thats why I say the management level position are filled with people who only have their vested interest...not bother to have proper HR policies or Hiring policies
