I agree that when women consider themselves to be equal, when our society is now treating them equally, then why this women day. Yes, this type of gender celebration is required in very remote areas of our country where still women are treated like animals. If you wanna do something for them, goto those areas and not in cities where people are already waiting to adopt new gimmicks of western culture and forgetting their own culture.
If people really want to improve the conditions od women in our country then stop exposing in movies and in our daya today life.
RE:If women are men's equals, why is Women's Day celebrated?
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 04:29 PM Permalink
I don't see how stopping women from exposing in movies will make the lives of women in the interiors of the country any better. This "VOHSAM" person is talking a load of irrelevant nonesense! He (I presume it is a "he") ought to go to the interiors and see and make a difference and then talk!
I agree that when women consider themselves to be equal, when our society is now treating them equally, then why this women day. Yes, this type of gender celebration is required in very remote areas of our country where still women are treated like animals. If you wanna do something for them, goto those areas and not in cities where people are already waiting to adopt new gimmicks of western culture and forgetting their own culture.
If people really want to improve the conditions od women in our country then stop exposing in movies and in our daya today life.
RE:If women are men's equals, why is Women's Day celebrated?
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
I don't see how stopping women from exposing in movies will make the lives of women in the interiors of the country any better. This "VOHSAM" person is talking a load of irrelevant nonesense! He (I presume it is a "he") ought to go to the interiors and see and make a difference and then talk!
Celebrating women day should be treated as reminder to all people concerned ,authorities, men and women that there is still lot to be done to bring our fairer sex at par with males and to improve their lot. Ibelieve the aim should not be to celebrate this for perpetuity ,rather we should work out some plans depending on different growth statistics and social indicators related with female folks which, when achieved this celebration should be stopped and assumed that we all male and females are equal in all respect no matter what. Celebrating it continuously, after some time becomes a potent symbol of existing differences between them and men ,rather than mitigating them Its same as reservation existing in our country that has now created a statutory castes i.e. Reserved and non reserved, and has created threatening social undercurrents . And as far as about Equality of men and women,its a absolute must. Except for few biological differences,in all other respect men and women are same. And the question should be rather how fast we are able to give our female folks their overdue share without which its unimaginable to uplift our country,socially,economically and culturally.
RE:Equality is absolute must.
by reepak gupta on Mar 03, 2008 09:10 PM Permalink
swati u may be right..but i dont need to see all law books and file pending in courts.. just watch around u ,u will find that womens are still hapless and helpless.. ya there can be cases of misuse of laws by women.. but again they in most of the cases are at receiving end. And my heart really goes with you.. i beleive that ur family has really suffered due to a women.. but try to see the large canvas.. take Care
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by Aritra Sengupta on Mar 04, 2008 03:50 AM Permalink
ya ok ur right...but u miss the point. noone has contested whether women are still treated as inferior esp. in the weaker sections of our society. what the debate is abt is...whether days like women's day, and in swathi's case laws like the dowry law are doing any good to change the situation. true the intentions might be right, but the implementation is so shoody that one has to think about whether they are doing more harm than good.
RE:RE:Equality is absolute must.
by reepak gupta on Mar 03, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
and again laws are only instrument in the hand of us to achieve justice.. its the execution that is cause of problem...not women as a ahle and law itself.
Well, we can treat women as a better gender!!! Let them have their day!!! What do we men loose... Nothing...Its all about having the good feeling... They are equal if not better in some things and we men are equal or better in some other things...If there needs to be a women's day and it needs to celebrated,by all means let everyone do so. Lets have win win situations.. Lets treat our women well and they will in turn treat us men well... Nothing is achieved by having a conflict
I think gender equality has got nothing to do with celebrating Women's Day.. We do celebrate Mothers Day, Fathers Day, Childrens Day as well.. Women are natural managers, they manage their household chores, their office, kids, family, demanding in laws, all with an ease that most men appreciate. I emphasize "most" men as some men have a habit of taking women for granted. And in spite of all this, including the occassional "sexual harrassment", eve teasing etc, they live life queen size and give their famillies the best they can. This day is just to thank all the women out there, to say hats off to you and show that you're equally important to society.
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
Yes this is a public forum, but this is not a place where you can just paste the same message 1,000 times, Swathie! Please stop using the word "male chauvanist", it is a highly mis-used term, mis-used by people who do not understand its meaning. My simple request is to stop spamming and using up so much space. Just because you are a woman you cannot get away with anything, madam.
RE:Well..
by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
do u think men dont manage anything? the constant pressure of society is managed by men. its a huge pressure to bring up a family and it is still a man's burden. taking care of children's education, looking after elderly parents, proteting family from all sorts of social stigma, runnig pillar to post in case of any crises..and do u think men are not insulted if someone sexually ill treats their sister, wife or friend? and u say "demanding" in-laws..one say u are also going to be mother-in-law..will u be demanding? if yes then u should not expect your in-laws to be nice. if no, then please dont take all in-laws to be "bad". do u have brother? if yes then do u demand anything from your "bhabhi"? remember..mother-in-law is also a woman and it is her day also. further she has also done all the things which u boast of ..today...a woman is the greatest enemy of another woman..and is is evident from ur post...disgracing ur in-laws who are not even reading this...
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
A beautifully written response to Ms. Preeti. I suggest she ought to think long and hard before writing such stuff that can be controversial. Let me assure you Preeti, that women don't need a "Women's Day" to be recognised for all they do. I certainly don't give a damn about these things, which in my view are nothing but mere marketing gimmicks for businesses to make some money off gullible people like us. I don't need a "Women's Day" to appreciate what my wife has done for me, or what my mother or my aunt has done for me. And you say that "some men have a habit of taking women for granted" - well, I can assure you, it works the other way around as well, madam! Some women also take men for granted. So the only thing I would say is that we do not need special "days" to recognise people like this, we can do it through small gestures every day, like buying flowers or a gift or present for your wife or mother, or for that matter just giving her a warm hug ("Jadoo ki jhappi") and saying "Thank You"! Correct, am I not, Ms. Preeti? And, tongue firmly in cheek, I might add here that "Women's Day" is much more "marketable" than a "Men's Day", wouldn't you agree:)
RE:Well..
by Preeti on Mar 03, 2008 04:47 PM Permalink
good to see they still make men like you harit :-) Take it as a compliment.. Just read what the guy before u has written.. Did I ever use a bad word for my in laws?? U seem to know English, tell me
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 04:56 PM Permalink
Thanks for the compliment, Preeti! Appreciate it. Well, I don't think you used a bad word for ur in-laws, probably Mr. Tripathi may have over-analysed what you wrote. Let it be, as long as you're aware of the meaning of what you wrote, it's fine in my view. What do you do in life, I mean, work or what?
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by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 05:04 PM Permalink
Mr. harit.."demanding" is definately a negative word. and u find nothing wrong when preeti called me cheap? thats a bias ppl generally get when arguing with a woman. now all will support ms preeti irrespective of the facts. i have not "over-analysed" anybody. i am not a woman hater..but at the same time i want ppl to realise the sufferings of a man too. we dont cry, that does not mean guys dont suffer...
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
First of all, who says we don't cry? There is nothing wrong with "crying", or is it that you have some perception that "crying" is not a sign of "masculinity"?!?! I have certainly cried when my mother-in-law passed away last year and I do sometimes cry when things seem very hard to bear, it makes me feel much better and I can then get down to resolving the task at hand. So get that straight first. And secondly, I am not convinced that 'demanding' is a 'bad word', my mother is a bit demanding from my wife, but that does not make her "bad", in fact, my wife makes the efforts to live up to her expectations. So NOW would you say 'demanding' is bad? Well, you may be right, I think it was wrong of Preeti to say you have a cheap mentality, it was an over-reaction. Anyways, I suggest we think on a level-headed basis and not get to ocarried away with emotions.
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by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
harit..when discussing on a sensitive issue..u have to think twice before saying anything. men dont cry occassionally as women do. this is a fact and psychologically established. it is nothing to do with "masculinity". it is a man's nature. i dont know what wrong have said. read my comments again. what i only mean by all this is that there are many who come for women's tears but there are an increasing number of men who suffer emotionally but are not listened to. i dont mean anything else...u are lucky that ur mother and wife live in harmony..all are not. and it is man who is sandwiched between mother and wife irrespective of who is right and who is wrong..agree or dont agree...
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 06:37 PM Permalink
Fully agree, Krishna. In fact, let me tell you, it was not that peaceful initially, there were numerous misunderstandings, but then matters got resolved. But yes, men get sandwiched for sure.. Look mate, you just need to have someone to talk to to get your frustrations out, you must never keep it in. I am lucky to have a friend like that who I can talk to, so all people, men or women, should have someone like that.
RE:Well..
by Preeti on Mar 03, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
wow.. u obviously dont know too much english.. demanding is definitely not a disgraceful or a bad term, they do have a right to be demanding.. no point arguing with u as i saw the kind of posts u have written on this board, ur cheap mentality is so evident
RE:Well..
by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
if u know english go and search for an oxford dictionary and find the meaning of the word demanding. (english-hindi dictionary pg 194.."demanding" is meant as "doosron se bahut jyaada kaam karwaane wala")..get it clear. next, i have written nothing that can be called as "cheap". if u cant argue on points, do not call others by names. i respect my mother. every boy does so. how are we women haters and cheap? tell a single statement of mine on any post that can genuenlly be called as cheap.
RE:Well..
by Harit Shah on Mar 03, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
For your information, Krishna, one of the meanings of "demanding" is "challenging". You see, a boss can also be "demanding" from his or her employees, that does NOT give it a negative connotation. So I suggest you re-think your perception.
RE:Well..
by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
u r right. "demanding" may mean challenging too. but demanding may also mean "over expecting". u urself decide wht meaning of "demanding" is meant when a woman uses it for her in-laws...by the way wht do u mean by "challenging" in-laws...and if preeti loves her in-laws i have nothing wrong against her. i have only praised men, that i shall always do. and if preeti respects her in-laws then why shd i say anything to her. u all are mistaken..
RE:Well..
by ravi on Mar 03, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
preeti, do you support men's day also, because it is necessary to say, hat's off to men. They are also equally important to this society. or you just like to reserve your statements just for women?
A small doubt, how women became "natural managers" is there any gene that gives management qualities to women naturally?
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by krishna tripathi on Mar 03, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
thanks for support..actually i also strongly condemn this 498a and DV act and am fighting for my friends. they came to me for rescue in times..498a sucks..
Another instance of sexual discrimination... god knows what women want, they themselves tell they are no worse than men, and they themselves celebrate women's day coz they think they are inferior to men... and some stupid men support... according to me there is nothing special in men are women, we are like this because of the nature and both sexes are good in their own terms and never good when it comes to competing with each other...
Dear all, Whatever we all said,we all celebrate,we all shouting...but the reality is...There is no use of celebrating women's day when 364 days we dont spare a mintue to disgrace women.In rich and respected familites do the same what poor families do to women.What we see today is poor family woman's condition but rich family woman dont say anything just becuz everything else will say..how can u accept it???..actually those things come on their status....but actually...domestic voilence is more in rich families rather than poor....but rich female dont dare to say it in public...garrrb ki khani...saab ki zubani.... Its all stupid to celebrate women's day...if all of u want to do something on that day....plzzz give courage to all educated females...to not to accept domestic voilence....poor are tooo tough to teach it.... Have a nice Women's day...
RE:Women's Day
by ravi on Mar 03, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
this is the first time i am reading a comment which states "domestic violence more in rich families". so what the proof, you have any or it just like a gobel's propaganda.
