The reservation should be done away for good. It was a policy that was introduced 60 year back and it have failed to deliver its purpose. So now it is a time to review this policy. If our sensitive and educated leaders (or politicians to be precise)think that SC/ST are still suffering then they can do following things.
1. Open special school for castes (falling under reservation) in every district to provide free and quality education to them till 12th class and then let face the professional exams without any support.
2. if our leaders (politicians to be precise)think that SC/ST cannot pay for there higher education then government can offer them loans to complete there education. which they can pay back to government.
if our leaders (politicians to be precise) have some sense in there otherwise dull head they should seriously review the reservation policy to make it more effectively rather then just blindly increasing the amount of reservation. and if they are so much bothered about welfare of SC/ST then lets have 51% reservation in cabinet. Our leaders should lead by example. And they should make there children to marry with SC/ST boys/girls.
RE:SC/ ST reservations
by Mahasen Gandle on Jun 05, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
Reservations should be continued as long as caste system exits in India. As per the constitution untouchability is abolished by law. But this centuries old tradition is unlikely to die so soon. Caste is in fact a tool to identify backwardness and not for obseving castism. But reverse is being practiced.SC/STs are being disturbed every now and then in all walks of life. Hence, major operation is required. simple ointment will not do. Reservation should be implemented vigoriously with penal provsion for misusing the provision and not implementing the scheme of reservation.
RE:SC/ ST reservations
by sanjeev kumar on Jun 05, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
I don't know with whom i am taking, but i really appreciate what u have said. that has to be said & implemented in good sense & only then one would get a fair share based on their worth. If it is required, then it should be given to them at the grass root level & let them face the real world alone. I think this would be the right way to go about that.
Independent India did a historical blunder in introducing reservation system. Now it has become perpetual and lost direction, purpose and goal. Whom the reservation policy is helping. Not the common indian. If the reservation policy is implemented for which it was sphereheaded by Dr.Ambedkar, today so called deprived class indians would have been below poverty line. It is cornered by a few and hijacked for political reasons. Please look at the state of affairs in India today. Many families in all castes are Below Poverty Line(BPL). To uplift them introduce reservation policy based on economical status. All economically backward/depressed families should and would benifit. That will ensure real democracy and kill caste based politics and attrocities on so called weaker section. India needs a bold and imaginative policy to benifit those who deserve help and upliftment to make uniform and equaldistribution of wealth to all Indians. Jaihind
Some of the SC/ST people definitely need reservation.But limit it to one reservation per family and eliminate the creamy layer from reservation.When I say creamy layer most of the politicians would come into that category(probably through false certificates)
Also think what reservations over the past many years have done.Whatever has been done is very little and people who gained reservations continue benefit from it which is not fair to other people from these castes. Instead of concentrating on reservations( which the parties use as an election ploy to gain votes) concentrate on providing free and quality education to people, basic amenities like food, shelter and clothing.
Can you beat this? A guy had been questioning me about my caste very thoroughly IN GERMANY. I had been there for a business meeting and I got to know one software professional (Indian of course). After a long talk, he wanted to know .. Which cast do I belong to???? I am sorry guys..come out of this nutshell and this hypocrisy when you say that caste system and discrimination existed before independence. IT EXIST TODAY NOT ONLY IN INDIA BUT WHEREEVER INDIANS ARE LIVING.
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by Venkat Ramana on Jun 05, 2007 05:41 AM Permalink
Just that some one asked u abt ur caste does not justify the reservation policy. If u have the fire in u prove ur self n ur caste has nothing to do with it. If there is any reservation it should be on economic standard of the person and definitely not on the basis of caste. If anyone support reservation, support ur stance with proper reasons, not just any baseless talk.
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by sanjeev kumar on Jun 05, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
Man, you are sick. This caste fear lies in ur mind not anywhere else. you have to have that potential in yourself to show ur worth then you won't be scared to tell your caste to anybody. Vanish that casteism fear from within & this social stigma will exist no more. World is full of different people, no two people are the same. can't blame all for just few. Prove ur worth to stake a claim for the best. that should be the policy around, not begging for it. Sorry for being rude, but now time has come to be mature & strive to secure what u deserve.
We don't need inefficent people serving us, for example: would like to to get urself or ur family members cured by a doctor who would have qualified for being a doctor after getting a reserved seat by just getting 20/200 marks. Do you think he would be able to treat u well. would u be able to give justification for comparing him with a person who would have got 180/200 marks & still would not have been able to get a seat.
I pity our system, which is going to dogs & the politicians are leading us towards it.
RE:RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
Dear Sanjeev, That's a good idea..please always ask about the caste of the doctor before getting yourself treated for mental illness.. LOL Fear always lies in the mind my dear Sanjeev or is it in anyother part of your body... PLEASE READ MY MSG. BELOW...it applies to you too... May I have the permission to laugh please? LOL
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
Reservation is about Caste..isn't it? to abolish caste discrimination..anyways you are too dumb to realise it so i don't waste my time on it. better that you.. READ MY MSG BELOW (WRITTEN SPECIALLY FOR YOU) ..LOL
problem of castisim begins with the higly rigid attitude of some high caste peoplle who are not ready to look at the other side.they dont give it a second thougt when they discriminate or to look into the probs of low caste . but when they are asked to speak agaainst res they are bundled with lots of ideas etc. highly intelligent poeople right???????
RE:yes for reservation for sc/st
by Venkat Ramana on Jun 05, 2007 05:49 AM Permalink
To some extent i agree what u say. But reservation is not the solution for that problem. Reservation is undermining merit which is the worst thing that can happen in any country. Politicians support reservation to satisfy their selfish ends and the reserved class support as they are getting a free ride without effort. What ever might be the reasons merit should never be overlooked.
I belong to a so called scheduled caste, a caste that is hated and used as an abuse in India. Or i must say in today's India and will remain like this until parents stop their kids educating about caste system. My parents did not disclose this to me until I was 7 yrs old. Then, very soon I realised that I am hated in the society.I still remember the hate in the eyes of my teacher when I was 8 and too naive to realise why am I treated like this. And i don't come from a countryside in India. I come from Delhi. I thank to Govt. of India that I could make myself stand on my feet. Believe me or not, it is a struggle to be born as a Schedule Caste and face discrimination and hatred from your very close friends, colleagues , neighbours and parents of your friends, when they come to know about your caste. And it is a myth among General Students that SC's are not intelligent, not good at English or presentation skills. When I was 21, I could prove many of them wrong during my masters in marketing management. I made use of reservation and therefore I am thankful to the Govt. of India and I AM PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN (Without this privilege maybe not).
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by Ap vaid on Jun 05, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
CONGRATULAITONS!I ABREE THAT YOU WERE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF B.R.AMBEDKAR'S VISION BEING FULFILLED. WITHOUT RESERVATIONS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE BUT ANSWER ME THIS. DO YOUR CHILDREN & THEIR CHILDREN NEED THE CRUTCH OF RESERVATIONS? SHOULD A POOR NON-DALIT BE LEFT TO PAY FOR THE SO CALLED SINS OF HIS FORE FATHERS?
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
But there had been a classic example of a lorry driver's son topping IAS exam. General Category and yes poor too. Did he suffer? Did he not get through? I did not get your point how the poor non-dalit is suffering. The poor non-dalit who has opted to sell a Chai is doing that. And yes, off course taking care that his kids are not playing with dalits. And, therefore I want my kids to make use of reservation. So that they could tell the chaiwala that they are SC "ek cup chai milegi bhaiya?" :-)
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
Did you get it Mr. Vaid? My children and the grand children would not need reservation on the day, when one will not enquire about other's cast. When there will be no Matrimonial advts. in the newspapers based on Caste. When you will be ready to marry off your son, daughter or sister without asking the caste of a person or ready to marry them off HAPPILY :-) to a Bhan*gi or a Ch*amar (or is it still an abuse in your dictionary?). That day my friend, my children and grandchildren would not need reservation.
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by on Jun 05, 2007 02:59 AM Permalink
Dear JaiveerHanuman , do u think u are not fit to live in this society that u want reservation for yr children also. Or u think u will not be able to support or encourage yr kids to make there own destiny and thats why u are asking reservation for them.
I agree u didn't have guts to face society but atleast make sure yr kids have that guts so that they can stand on there feet and say that i have made myself without any help. As i can say apart from the interruption government have given me (in the name of reservation) i am still able to become successful. And make sure my kids would not be begging as you are
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
Dear noname, Yes, you are absolutely right. A society with an illness like caste-discrimination is not fit to live in. You can't imagine 1% of it because you were never born in this community. And, for your information, we do not get things easily, we have to compete too. That you can't understand at all since you were not born as SC. Stand in my shoes and you will realise. Oh sorry, i forgot i am SC, you can't stand close to me. I offer you to stand on a platform instead because you are the higher class. :) Do you know that India is SICK because of caste discrimination? that's the view of Europeans, they say that it is worst than Apartheid system in Africa. I have a suggestion, indians should omit their second names. Start doing this with your kids. I have guts to do it. Do you have it? The result : all will be same without any caste and class. CAN YOU IT MR. NONAME?
RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by Venkat Ramana on Jun 05, 2007 06:00 AM Permalink
sure now i understand how dumb headed u r that u need some reservation in this society just like some physically challenged without which u cannot survive. Sure u lack the necessary skills n need some crutches. U need real balls to face todays competition which all these reserved class do not have. If u have it in u face the world in open competition n prove ur self. Whoever has the edge will survive. It is law of the nature. Survival of the fittest. Do not forget that nature has no reservations. I do not hate the reserved class for their caste, but definitely for the undue advantage given to them ,which they did not earned, but was thrown to them.
RE:RE:I AM FOR RESERVATION
by JaiveerHanuman on Jun 05, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
For your info, Mr. Raman, I am heading a branch of an MNC. Now you could say that an MNC probably has a reservation policy? :-) Then I would say, you are sick minded incompetent person. Anyways, no offences please, I am happy what and where I am today and I don't need to prove it to you if I am competitive or not. You must had a hard childhood, I guess that your parents forgot to teach you, how to behave in a society and in a public forum. :-) Survival of the fittest. Yes, you are right..why don't you compete in the general category and succeed if you are fit (I guess you are mentally not .. LOL) I could not do anything except to laugh after reading your message LOL...
in india where yuor sirname is asked first and then yuor name it is very difficult for these people. the people of high caste are blindly following castisim which have no scientific base . a baseless system of high and low.if a prsoc have capability still she is rejected on the basis of her caste then hoe would u give her an oppurtunity to prove herself. forget about last 5000 yrs people are still blindly following such practices first stop these practices . reservation will atleast protect the low caste people from such inhumane practices.,
RE:yes for reservations
by Venkat Ramana on Jun 05, 2007 06:07 AM Permalink
No one undermines merit. U r living in the past. Days have changed very much. Everyone respects the heights that u escalate with your knowledge, but not the heights that u crawl at someone else cost. All these reserved class are a bunch of free loaders.
The reservations are dividing our society. The latest e.g is gujjars who came on road & destroyed crores of property just for the sake of Reservations/to be included in SC/ST/OBC. The fat skin politicians have divided India among General/ SC / ST / OBC & much more. Its just the clone of policy adopted by east india company to rule India but with different variant. Poor India, still it gets ruined by Crooks. Hope people of all caste & creed will soon realize this ploy & a day will come when financial position would decide reservations rather than Caste.
Since, most of SC, ST people are not able to use internet or computers, I dont think the messages posted here will reflect their issues. All the messages posted here will be against the reservation only since they are posted by non-SC,ST people.
RE:Most of SC & ST cannot use internet
by Venkat Ramana on Jun 05, 2007 06:13 AM Permalink
Why don't u go n provide some reservation on internet use time for all the dumb heads like u out there.
RE:Most of SC & ST cannot use internet
by Rohit on Jun 05, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
mani vannan is a genious and obviously an SCST. Hey.. someone hand him a Nobel..!!
RE:Most of SC & ST cannot use internet
by soumyadev satpathy on Jun 05, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
TRUELY SAID MY FRIEND.... INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE FIGHT AND KILL TO BE PROCLAIMED BACKWARD... I GUESS THE SO CALLED SC/ST,WILL AGREE THT FINANCIAL QOUTA IS THE ONLY VIABLE ONE.... THE WELL OFF PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT OVER QUOTAS OF ANY SHORT...... IF UR AN IDIOT AND CAN'T FACE COMPETITION THEN "SAYOANRA" MY FRIEND.... "GOD BLESS INDIA"
RE:Reservation
by sethu v on Jun 05, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
why not equal opportunities in employment? Equal for all the citizens irrespective of caste / creed
RE:Reservation
by Ap vaid on Jun 05, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
WELL, THAT'S A BIT INCONVENIENT FOR POLITICIANS YOU SEE. THEY CAN'T FOOL FOOL A NATION OF LITERATE, CASTE-FREE SOCIETY!!
