i am an engineering graduate in computer sc. fresh graduate.i am planning to do my masters in applied design and art in curtin.will it be possible to get pr during this time because corse is only 1 and half yr . and how are the job oppurtunities there in web designing?
I have read all your comments. Actually i and my fiancee from malaysia and palnning to do master in Australia. But then since some say it kind difficult and some say easy to get PR or professional work, is there any source to find these kind infirmation. Thanks for sharing ur experiance. tc.
why dont you all write a proper english with complete letters instead of a SMS message. If you want every one to read your message, will you pls change?
RE:message to youngsters
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
RE:MBA
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
Hello Everybody.., I have been in Australia for the past 3 years and I did double masters from a repudiated university in Australia. And when the quality of education is considered down here, its fair some time but I really don%u2019t agree in few subjects I have taken during my masters degree well ( to substantiate it). I did few a couple for subjects which belong to accounting, me being a technical guy what am I supposed to do with this accounting? and I tried for taking internship at few companies but they bluntly rejected my application as I am not a resident or citizen of Australia and we guys are paying triple the amount of fee what an Australian students pay. I really donn think this is fair.
And as per the immigration rules we are allowed to work only 20hrs a week for full time student, I think its fairly reasonable as we don%u2019t get deviated with the studies. When coming to kind of work we do here is working in call centers, departmental stores, in bars, as a kitchen hand in restaurant etc .., and we guys get treated like hell. And we donn get any opportunity to work for any major companies as there is work limit. We guys are here to improve our knowledge and skill set and gain some experience. Isn%u2019t that right? And we don%u2019t get a white colored job even after studies until ur a PR (Permanent Resident) holder with an experience.
When coming to Australian immigration rules, When I cam here in 2004 to get the PR all we have to do is 2 years of studies, So I planned my self before coming here to do a 2 year course so I can get a PR, unfortunately PR rules are changed during my first semester. New PR rules are: 2 years Australian degree with 6 months of Australian work experience in the related field, how come companies hire you as we restricted to work only 20 hrs a week which sucks. Ultimately the PR chances are reduced for most of the students like me. The other issues is, when an Australian university has given you an admission taking consideration of your undergrad degree (what every background you have), for the PR purpose we need to do access the degree by spending almost $500 I really donn think this necessary, if it is so it has to be done before we get enrolled into he university. And when coming to IELTS general exam for PR, god sake we did masters degree in Australia and we sld take IELTS exam before applying for PR which costs another $280 I cld figure it out what is the reason behind it.
Anyway after all the struggling journey which I faced during my studies and with the PR now its job hunt time, well I more then 8000 trust me more then this figure.., and my application gets rejected all the time the reason wld be I am over qualified the job which I applied for, I donn have enough experience, the client requires certification rather then degrees, I am not a resident all bullshit answers. One lucky day I got a job as a Technical Support officer in one of the ISP here, I have a Bachelors degree and 2 masters degree which is unfair for me to work as a technical support officer so I started looking around for engineering jobs in the same company as one of my masters in Telecommunications Networks which my TL didn%u2019t like it he warned me once and very next day I was sacked the reason he gave to was I donn have proper communication skills which I can%u2019t even think in my dream, I was one of the hard worker in the company used to work about 11 hrs a day imagine 11 hrs a day, I din%u2019t even get acknowledged for the hard work and got a very good compliment as I got sacked. What every..?
All I can suggest to the guys who are applying to Australia for doing there post grad degree gain at least 2 years of work experience and have certification in the hand and apply for the universities. Australia is really good place to be, but most of international student have very sour experiences. I don%u2019t want to disappoint you all; this situation is faced by all the international students here but only few people saw the test of success.
Any further enquires u can mail on dinesh_dd9@yahoo.com.au
RE:My Experience in Australia....!
by sukhpreet singh on Feb 22, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
brother no gain widout pain...wat do ya think...if u wud have opted for USA or UK...u wud have got a gud job or a job of CEO in a company...it never happens...an inexpirienced is just like a surplus...u have to competebwith many expirienced people to get ur share of luck...and in casde u fail to get ne job...dre's no problem in doin bit lower level job...and m amazed toc dat u did 2 master degrees from here...wen one wud have done a woeld of gud for ya...and PR is foremost thing required in ne country to apply for permanent job...
RE:My Experience in Australia....!
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
For living :- Australian are the most laid back ppl they enjoy every bit of life & that does not mean partying all day. You hv endless things to do, they love simple things like gardening fishing holidaying. Sydney is expensive compare to Melbourne. Its a beautiful place to raise childerns & becoz it attracts ppl from all over the world, there is less of (my country n u r outsider) coz everyone is an outsider here.
For studying :- indian go out to study IT or business, so make sure you know that your course comes under "graduate skilled visa" if you want to stay back n live here after the course. Also as the list of skills requires changes every year you may find that the course you are doing is no more in required skill visa which would be a problem. also working casual means being kitchen hand or check out or mc donalds etc.
Getting a premanent residence here is not tough as govt ask you take PR before working but you would hv all the qualifications. Its a best place to be if you want to start your research study as many europeans opt australia due to their facilites. Australia is good for medical profession too. after two years in PR you can apply n get a citizenship. you can bring your spouse without much mess once you hv a PR n you earn above 35000.
About students studying here :- You can apply for working visa once you come here which will you give 20hours of working premit per week, which will help you pay your rent n food. If you live in syndey & calculate your expense then $1000/ month is more tham enough for food n accomadation. In a casual job you can make upto 700-800 / month. So if you want to study n work opt for university in sydney n melbourne n adelaide. If you opt for places like coff harbour, cost of education is low but casual jobs are less, so you hv to ask money from home.
Jobs :- there are lots of job available in IT & SALES n Marketing, medical profession. you will earn better thans india with far better life standards. But as far as my knowledge goes just indian degree n experience for job in australia is not good enough bit indian degree & experience helps you (in some course) for relaxation of semseters.
taxes : - yes taxes are too high in australia. almost 29% but it apply for salary above AUD 35000. with a australia IT degree & 2 years experience you can earn upto AUD100K. Again sydney is expensive than rest of australian city .
Most important things, one you hv a degree & PR in australia its your ticket to rest of the world, you can live n work in UK with your australian degree. USA love australian degree n workers so PR or citizenship will help you go beyond Australia at any point if you chose to do so.
And for karan gupta pls check the list of best universitis of the world n then count the number of australian universities in the list in each program.
RE:Living In Australia
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
Re: Living In Australia
by mayank khosla on Feb 11, 2009 09:20 PM Permalink
could you please drop a mail at mayank_khosla@yahoo.co.in for the previous query
Re: Living In Australia
by mayank khosla on Feb 11, 2009 08:44 PM Permalink
hi, I have done B.tech with cgpa 9 out of 10 and I am interested in doing MBA from aust(i.e from RMIT or UTS univ).I am having 8 mnths of wrk exp so could you please suggest me should I go fr it or shall I wait for another year.and what about the recognition of Australian degree in India?
I am writing this in my role as the head of the largest overseas education counselling organisation from Eastern India and also the current President of Association of Australian Education Representatives in India.
I have gone through your article site and find a kind of bias in it. I have also read your previous articles in a few places and can share my feeling that you do need to update your knowledge on Australia a bit. One very good way to update ones knowledge on Australia especially if one is an education consultant is to do the online course for education consultant (www.pieronline.org). Registration is free and there is tons of information on all aspects.
Australia has some very fine Universities and the most respected rankings done on a global basis is the Times rankings (THES) and there are sevaral Aussie Universities in the top 100. ANU is at 16th rank followed by Melbourne Uni. In your article you have mentioned Melbourne and AGSM and this indicates that you are only referring to the MBA institutions and hence these names come out to you. AGSM has now become part of UNSW by the way. Please donot mention MBA institutions in article where you are talking of the full education standards and then drawing conclusions.
It is a fact that like you, many journalists too make gross generalisations and one of these is the article that you have referred of TOI. While that TOI article talks of Aussie numbers to be bigger than UK, there is a mistake there too. In reality US got 24000, UK got 19000 and Australia got 15000 students last year. In one of your previous articles you have confused enrolment stats of US of 76000 to mean the total number of students that went to US during 2006.
I do think that all of us who try to counsel and more importantly who try to write articles need to be more responsible and not use half researched data for basing our arguments.
Hope that my feedback will be treated as a constructive criticism.
Ravi Ravi Lochan Singh (Mr) Managing Director, Global Reach www.globalreach.in www.globalreach.net.au 1991 - 2007 (16 years of leadership)
RE:To Karan from President of AAERI (Association of Australian Education Representatives in India)
by on Feb 21, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
Dear Sir, It was so good to read your comments on this.I have been following anything related to foreign education on the net(specially Karan's articles)& even I thought that he is really really biased.Really hope that your feedback is treated as a constructive criticism.I Also wanted to tell you that U write very well.I mean I have read the inter AAERI correspondences that we(I work for Planet Education,Indore office) all receive & I have found them to be extremely good.Hope to hear more from you.
RE:To Karan from President of AAERI (Association of Australian Education Representatives in India)
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
Is this article really justified??? I mean, I agree with some of the comments that, its cheaper that USA/UK, but saying that the degree is not recognised would be a wrong. Or to say Aust. is big in tourism and nothing else. It%u2019s a small economy, but its growing very fast, and demand for professionals are increasing too. Speak to people in any industry, and they will tell you that they lack skilled people and particularly people who can take senior management roles. So don%u2019t think there is lack of opportunities. I have been here little more than 4 years, I did my BE civil from MIT Manipal, and then did ME const mgmt from uni of Swinburne, took me couple of months to find a job and I%u2019m doing just fine now. Its not just my story, lot of my mates who have studied in different field have managed to find jobs and settle here. Only thing one can probably say is, students gotta look out for courses they take. It really depends upon what one wants? Do you want to study and settle here, or go back, or maybe move to another country. Because some courses have more benefits (MODL) compared to others, when it comes to applying for permanent residence. I know Civil, Electrical, Mechanical, accountancy are all in MOD list. There would be few other courses, it%u2019s up to the students to find out and apply. They also should see how the job market is? Are there enough jobs in their field of interest? I suggest student not to believe totally what a consultant says/advices, do your independent research and then pick up the right course.
RE:Is this article really justified???
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
RE:Is this article really justified???
by on Feb 16, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
I fully agree with you. Karan's article is totally one sided and Australia actually has lowest unemployment of all major destinations. Lower than US and UK. The currency has been strong since 2001 and economy is booming. it is a service economy and that is the reason for all this. I am a permanent resident and it has been easier getting permanent residency in Australia (within 6 months of the course). In US it takes over 8 years to get Green card and without Green card, the benefits are very few.
RE:RE:Is this article really justified???
by mithu bhatia on Feb 17, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
employment is better than india...and competing with major destinations...like UK USA...australia is emerging as new job destinatiion...with fresh oppurtunities...dis is wat happened in USA nad UK may be 10 years back...wen dey use to give jobs to the freshers...which dey no longer ghive...but in australia with PR...u can think of gettin a gud job as a fresher...may be australia will become next USA or UK in next 7-8 years or do...
i analysed USA, UK, Canada and australia first up...simply decided in favour of australia as dre r many benefits...lower tution fees and lower expenses, quality education, gud environment as my frenz told me who live in australia...i never applied for USA or UK...i was always with australia...
and who says that australian education is meant for students who r not very scoring...lemme t3ell u i had job offers from 3 MNC's here in India...m a mechanical engineer by proffession...just to study further i opted against dem...and came to australia...wat else u wanna argue bout...
RE:never tried for UK, USA...
by INDIA on Sep 27, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
Dont go to Australia. They need Indians to mop the floor or brush carpet dust! Ihave gone there and lost all my career make over years and now with a Master degree 2 divorces [cheated b'se I had a green card by my own community: Kamma / Andhra Pradesh with politicians backing] working as customer service executive in a discriminatory environment and amidst jealousy people who pin point and bad mouth , harassing me and torturing so that I run back there or remain unemployed here!!. So after coming back, ur home country pushes u back there by not providing oppurtunities here. This is confirmed! B'se they are interested in doing business with "influential people" and "black money walas". there are "MARRIAGE RACKETS" :Indian women are being used to circulate green cards. Dont go there, Its a good country but not for Indians. Indians are more used to grabbing things, If you can see Andhra Pradesh had all the decency in the world! to cheat me for my permanent residency, when I come back....No career at all and bent upon pushing me out again so that they can marry me to a low profile wala or to a mafia backed candidate or politicians pet [to hide black money]. Not that there are no oppurtunities, they harass/torture and force "economic migration". NET RESULT is LOSING , not gaining a horrible career and no personal life at all, even if u come back or remain there!
