Congratulations team india for your excellant all round performance. Please keep it up however we should have done better yesterday. Team India badly missed the expertise of tendlya and dada who could have taken the score to atleast 220-230 with their experianced shot selection/upsetting seasonal bowlers like umar etc. The forthcoming one day series against Australia & Pakistan will make the game more interesting with the return of the senior players. Chakde Chakde India
Congrats to dhoni and Indian team and to all Indians fans and well wishers this has been a really gr8 moment
I HAVE READ A LOT OF VIEWS AND THERE SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WANT TRIOS(SACHIN, GANGULY AND DRAVID) TO RETIRE AND SOME DONT
Indians are very emotional s when the team wins there are cheers and when there are losses there criticisms disregarding how well or bad we played
It true that that the trios have given there heart and soul and also in this process made a lot of money which is not bad thing
so question arises don't trios want keep on their performance and make scores for getting more endorsements WELL I WOULD PLAY BETTER TO MAKE MORE AND WHO WON´T
So the questions trios wont perform doesn't make any practical sense taking the above argument in to consideration
But seeing the spirit of TEAM INDIA i think trios should be rested for few series and lets see how this YOUNG INDIAN TEAM PERFORM regardless of whether they win or lose.
I am too old to remember my childhood but i certainly remember that i had crawl first before i could walk
Yes we might or might not lose but let see how this YOUNG India perform WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE POLITICS OR RELIANCE (whatever you prefer to call it) of trios
PLS COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE ONLY LOGICAL COMMENTS SO IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO REALLY DONT PUT ANY DEPTH TO THIS DEBATE PLS I REQUEST TO STAY OUT THANK YOU
AND YES I WILL THIS REPEAT COMMENT FEW TIMES SO MANY PEOPLE(WHO JUST LOG ON) CAN COMMENT ON IT
RE:pls comment
by Sanjeev Verma on Sep 25, 2007 06:54 AM Permalink
I agree that youngsters should be given chance. Not long back we replaced Ganguly by youngsters like Raina and Kaif and we know what happened. People saw politics in that..there were demonstrations everywhere by partisan crowd to bring Ganguly back in the team. And interestingly, Indian team was doing pretty well without Ganguly. They had shown a lot of improvement in fielding..they won 17 matches chasing total. It is very clear that in shorter version of game you need fitter (not necessarily younger) players. Dravid had repeatedly said that we need athletic legs in ODI matches. He was helpless since selectors preferred experienced players over upcoming players. Dravid opted out of 20-20 to give chances to younger players. Ganguly has already told that he missed playing in 20-20 and would like to play 20-20 matches in the future.
RE:pls comment
by Ravikant Rao on Sep 25, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
you expect logical comments to your post whereas what you have suggested is totally illogical.Agreed this team has played wonderfully under Dhoni's captaincy but 50 overs and test cricket is a totally different cup of tea, u need mix of experience and youth now since the captaincy is not there with any senior (read indian triumvariate)i think they can all concentrate on their game better plus youngsters like utthappa,gambhir,rohit sharma can be played on rotation basis giving the seniors rest.This way when they retire the people replacing them permanently will have enough experience.I still believe rahul,sachin,Laxman and ganguly have 2-3 years of good cricket left in them.
RE:pls comment
by Ben T on Sep 25, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
New yorker ..u sound more like a frustrated fanatic than an ardent cricket fan..how cud u come up with such ridiculous comparisons despite south producing such cricketing greats as azhar,dravid,kumble,srikanth...and more evr lemme remind u mumbai is nevr a part of north india ..if u jus consider the exact north indian states then u will get a bunch of morons from UP & bihar....so plz dont come up with such lousy discriminations.
RE:pls comment
by jayashankar sk on Sep 25, 2007 06:52 AM Permalink
The team India have won the World T20, due to only one thing - TEAM WORK. All the players understood their responsibilities. Moreover, not much expectations on them since the beginning of the game. Dhoni had really lead the team well. In my opinion, without including the Trios, the new team cannot win against Australians. You need experience for long run, moreover they are going to play one day internationals and Test matches. If Trios are not included, this new team will see a major blow, esp against Australia. Let us wait and watch.
RE:pls comment
by K.A.Kuttaiah on Sep 25, 2007 07:00 AM Permalink
I could not agree more with you. The trio will remain great players and their performance and approach will always be cherished. They should not retire but allow them selves some time and not participate in each & every series. What went missing till the present 20:20 was not skill but the hunger to win.
RE:pls comment
by New Yorker on Sep 25, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
Put only the Northern in charge and you will see anger, egos and a attitude to never give up and fight. Thats always missing from Southern boys [ maybe history is to blame for their no-gut-they never saw invasion across the border, never needed to show gut to fight and hence are always complacent].
Northern & North-Eastern boys rule! They can fight and create respect for India. Keep this going.
RE:pls comment
by vishal sadhnani on Sep 25, 2007 07:40 AM Permalink
pls keep north and south away from this it not that because of sachin is from west thats why he great player to be good player you first need skill and then you need hard work patience dedication ambition to go long with it lets talk about united india
RE:pls comment
by NotSoConfused on Sep 25, 2007 08:44 AM Permalink
NewYorker! if u r so proud of North, y didn't u keep ur id as Mumbaikar or Gangtoker??!!! doesnt sound cool? huh! hypocrite!
RE:pls comment
by Ringo Ringo on Sep 25, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
hey confused geography man Mumbai is to the west of India and gangtok is to the east of india. For you confused south india anything above the 4 states is north India. Applying your logic we should only have 2 teams for duleep trophy but we have 5 zones (East, West, North, South and Central). please take a crash course in geography
It is interesting to note that we won both in 83 and 2007 when expectations were not very high. Also, giving chance to young players was a good one. people have short memory. Both Dravid and Kiran More were giving importance to younger players and we did very well with Raina, Kaif and Yuvraj in the team. However, we brought Tendulkar, Ganguly and Kumble back in the team just before the world cup and it turned out to be a bad move. There are players like Kaif and Raina, who should be included to improve our fielding. Gambhir and Ganguly both are left hand openers but hence selectors will have to decide whether to go with Ganguly or Gambhir. Ganguly is also a good batsman but Gambhir is a better fielder also. People always tend to see politics in everything. Sometimes change is required for cricketing reasons also.
RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by Human Value on Sep 25, 2007 07:05 AM Permalink
KAIF is a JOKE RAINA is a JOKE What did they ever do. Kaif scored single digit scores in all the recebt India 'A' matches and in the same mathes Badrinath and Parthiv Patel scored a string of centuries.
RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by Sanjeev Verma on Sep 25, 2007 07:36 AM Permalink
That's why I say that people have a very short memory. Raina and Kaif played very well in India's victory over Sri Lanka, England and Pakistan in year 2004. Kaif had done very well also in those victories. He also had a very successful West Indies Tour also.
RE:RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by Dhosa on Sep 25, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
I have always agreed with your thoughts, but Kaif being successful in WI is bit hard to understand. I do know the one ODI India won, Kaif turned the clear win situation for India into a clifhanger..
RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by Sanjeev Verma on Sep 25, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
Raina is not even India A team but he is a livewire in field. He is also a very good batsman.
RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by alert on Sep 25, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
Correct... The lesson is pick only players who are fit and currently in form... instead of long long ago greatness like Tendulkar....
RE:RE:Too much expecttation is not good
by Sanjeev Verma on Sep 25, 2007 07:40 AM Permalink
I agree..The idea to drop Zaheer, Pathan and Harbhajan was good one. They regained their form and fitness and came back to team.
Well done guys, what a brilliant performance, Keep going, we have a long long way ahead. Hopefully the selectors will not distrub the momentum, Good luck for your tour to Australia.
Congrats to dhoni and Indian team and to all Indians fans and well wishers this has been a really gr8 moment
I HAVE READ A LOT OF VIEWS AND THERE SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WANT TRIOS(SACHIN, GANGULY AND DRAVID) TO RETIRE AND SOME DONT
Indians are very emotional s when the team wins there are cheers and when there are losses there criticisms disregarding how well or bad we played
It true that that the trios have given there heart and soul and also in this process made a lot of money which is not bad thing
so question arises don't trios want keep on their performance and make scores for getting more endorsements WELL I WOULD PLAY BETTER TO MAKE MORE AND WHO WON%uFFFDT
So the questions trios wont perform doesn't make any practical sense taking the above argument in to consideration
But seeing the spirit of TEAM INDIA i think trios should be rested for few series and lets see how this YOUNG INDIAN TEAM PERFORM regardless of whether they win or lose.
I am too old to remember my childhood but i certainly remember that i had crawl first before i could walk
Yes we might or might not lose but let see how this YOUNG India perform WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE POLITICS OR RELIANCE (whatever you prefer to call it) of trios
PLS COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE ONLY LOGICAL COMMENTS SO IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE WHO REALLY DONT PUT ANY DEPTH TO THIS DEBATE PLS I REQUEST TO STAY OUT THANK YOU
AND YES I WILL THIS REPEAT COMMENT FEW TIMES SO MANY PEOPLE(WHO JUST LOG ON) CAN COMMENT ON IT
I think Absence of big 3 cultivated "Team Spirit" without ego factor creeping in. I felt, boy were performing real hard to show they don't need old big gun who could not clinch the world cup in 20 odd years. Big guns played for themselves. Many of you would disagree, but I always felt, Ganguli would have played alone on the ground if he could, with 10 servants obeying him. 17th century Nawab attitude, may be. Any gone & dust, congrats Pathan, Dhoni & boys. Enjoy the moment till they become Big 3 with big egos...
RE:Absence of big 3
by sudhir dhar on Sep 25, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
Sagar Kale, If you think SRT and SG have ego, you are wrong. SRT is the most humble,SG has brought drinks for the team in Pakistan.
The problem may be Dravid now, but hopefully Dhoni will be able to reign him in.
Dhoni has a excellent equation with SG, having stayed at house many time Calcutta.SRT and Dhoni are close too, thats why Gavaskar asked SRT to intriduce him to Dhoni(I know its aincredible story).
What you are commentinf is all HOT AIR! Great victory for India in 20-20. But this is 20-20., where if a batsman stays for 6-7 overs, the team wins.But in 50-50, a batsman has to stay nearly 250% time more at the crease , to make a difference.Plus bowlers can bowl 10 overs, not 4 overs only.
Relax, enjoy the win,cherish it, but please do not wear gogles of 20-20 for 50-50.Because that will cause image abberation.
RE:Oiling...
by Suneel kumar on Sep 25, 2007 08:36 AM Permalink
Mr. Don, our thoughts reflect our personality :-) All starts of current indian team Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Sehwag and in fact Dhoni were recommended and unconditionally supported by Ganguly during his tenure. So he deserves some credit for sure. Don't listen to useless Chappell who doesn't know basics of man management. Think with an independent view you will understand the value of Ganguly better.
RE:Oiling...
by Dhosa on Sep 25, 2007 04:48 AM Permalink
Ganguly has annouced Retirement from ODIs. Perfect time to go Champ. We will remember you for your great performances in late 90's and early 2000's. We understand age catches up and you can not be the same what you used to be in 10 yesrs ago.
RE:Oiling...
by aprakash gupta on Sep 25, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Due to the "dirty politics" of the "dirty politician", today we have Yuvraj Singh in India team whose innings made difference in two crunch matches.... Check your facts before commenting....
RE:Oiling...
by Ramil Mukherjee on Sep 25, 2007 06:12 AM Permalink
Ganguly is in team not sucking Dravid's feet! He was given a challange by almost total Indian populi - except a few like Gavaskar who knows cricket less than any of you! Ganguly had to fight for place of Yuvaraj,Vazzi, even Rahul in his bad times( go through history).It was he who suggested replacemnet of much favoured Parthib and Dahia by Dhoni( again go by history!)Removal of Ganguly was a much exercized effort - eat ou shoes , and leave it to Vengasarkar and others who knows cricket and are not communal. One fellow in this blog suggested ouster of Pathan yesterday, just because he is Muslim! That guy was sure that ,given chance,Pathan would gift the match tp Pakistan - is he chewing his muddy shoes!
RE:Oiling...
by Amol Agarwal on Sep 25, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
Omar, Clearly u dont know much about indian cricket in the past 10 years. . . . probably u just read the crappy/spicy articles/blogs over the internet. . . .
RE:RE:Shouldn't it be the other way?
by Anant Relekar on Sep 25, 2007 05:10 AM Permalink
I think Ganguly is a good captain and should be taken as a non playing captain. He can advise or give consultation to the captain.
But, I remember 30 and 20 over matches played in Mumbai in local tournaments in the 70's and 80's.
In mid to late 80's 15-over tournaments were also played.
In 90's and the new millenium 8-over and sometimes 6-over tournaments were played. These tournaments used to last for 2 weekends or even one weekend (Sat & Sun).
I'm sure it must be played in other States of India as well.
RE:RE:Twenty20 Invention
by Justin on Sep 25, 2007 03:56 AM Permalink
Kids on the streets play 5-10-20 overs games. I think they have been playing for a long time.
I am sure they play like this around the world. There is no inventor. Although Twenty20 is fun to watch, they need to remove those gay cheerleaders, DJs, dugouts, and bowl-out.
Javed Miandad is right. ICC is trying to copy baseball and other sports. Cricket is older than a lot of sports, so they should keep the way it is.
Jay Hind. Bharatmata ki Jay.
Hats off to Umar Gul and Misbah, but we were better at some place. We deserve to be winners.
