It was a good all-round performance by India at Guwahati on Monday. After Malik chose to bat on a sluggish pitch, Salman Butt was the day's morning hero as he stroke the ball so sweetly for his 50, studded with 8 boundaries. But for Yousuf's 83 not out, Pakistan would have ended with a far lesser total than 239/7 even as the visitors felt Inzamam's absence. After Sachin's early exit, Gambhir missed his 50 only by 6 runs but was involved in a brisk partnership with Ganguly before being bowled by an Afridi special! Dhoni-Yuvi partnership scotched the visitors' chances of clawing back into the match with an enterprising century stand. Few would disagree that it was Bhajji-Murali bowling partnership who conceded just 65 runs between them in their 20 overs, that won the match for the hosts. The Indian skipper deservingly won the MOM award.
Why INDIAN seniors do not retire gracefull? why are selector are forced to DROP, REST OR ROTATED them. If these senior retire on their own when the time comes, than there would not be so much of RAW deal,bad traetment etc. If Dravid is taken in team who will be out of 11? Ghambir or Uthapa. Because of these senior, Raina, Manoj tiwari are out of the teams. In my opinion time has come for TRIMURTI to retire gracfull. Talk of 2 years of cricket still left in me is all rubish. We don't want to treat our heroes badly but these heros should also release that their time has gone so get out otherwsie we will be force to push them out which will hurt both. them as well as us.
RE:Seniors
by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
I agree with you Abbas. But some people still dont understand this would blindly support Sourav-Sachin. They dont see youngsters like Raina, Tiwari, Badrinath, Praveen Kumar, Rohit Sharma knocking the doors. Selectors wont give any opportunities to these players, but instead would continue with Zaheer, Sachin, Sourav. These youngsters wont even get chances like Agarkar and Ramesh Powar. Ramesh Powar took 5 wickets in Ranji, I m sure he will be included in the next matches!!! This is how BCCI works!!
As expected I think it will be series between yousuf and younis representing Pakistan and India on the other hand. They are going to feel the pinch of Inzamam not being their as that guys was very adaptable. I would definitely value him more than even Tendulkar as he had a cool head and could finishes matches without much ado. But unfortunately for our Tendulkar the ball somehow keeps low and he is bowled or LBW in a pressure situation( Ball seems to do funny things only for him that is what our commentators make us believe) they are biased as far as Dravid is concerned he is not even given a fair chance to prove himself how many times should he prove himself good only knows. India is winning because we have one Kar less in Agarkar if he was around Pakistan could have easily reached 280 and we would have lost the match. Pathan did a terrific job in controlling the middle overs. I think he is a better utility cricketer than Agarkar and I also feel they should look beyond Tendulkar why not when they do it for Dravid. I agree Dravid can be slow but at least he is a better finisher than Tendulkar when we chase down scores
RE:it is going to be Yousuf and Younis Vs India
by Hitesh Sharma on Nov 06, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
You seem not to know that Sachin is a opener and please enlighten me how many times an opener has finished the match when the total is above 225..Rarely. Sachin plays his part most of the times. 29 out of his 40 ODI centuries is for winning cause. His career strike rate is 85. You are right pakistan coul have reached 280 had Sachin not removed Afridi at a crucial time.
Many 'kar's are great and many are not so great i guess you hate all kars How about veer savarkar
RE:it is going to be Yousuf and Younis Vs India
by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Hitesh Sharma, Do u remember semi final of world cup 1996?? How much was the target before Indian team??? And what happened to Sachin Tendulkar at that time??? The matches sachin would have won with his batting are countable on fingers : Sharjah Cup against australia...tht's it!!! How many big tournaments have we won because of Sachin's batting?? How many world cup we have won because of Sachin?? Mind you Sachin has played 5 world cups.
RE:it is going to be Yousuf and Younis Vs India
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Inzimam also batted at number 3 and won the match many times. I can also give you an example of Bangalore match in the last tour of pakistan when Sachin was not opening and India were truly on course of winning the series 1-0 with only a post tea session pending. Then all of sudden following Sachin's advise they went into a shell which allowed Inzimam to bring all the fielders in and Kaneria won the match for them and levelled the series. I hope you understand that the character of our senior cricketer rubs on to your team. I am still a big fan of Tendulkar only thing is I feel sometimes he is bit selfish. I dont have anything against kars only few kars like Vengsarkar who has different ways of judging people. I felt Dravid matter could have been dealt in a better way
RE:it is going to be Yousuf and Younis Vs India
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
what you mean is support mumbai lobby is okay let us have Powar, Agarkar back in the team
There are only 2 seniors in the present ODI team. Saurav is on his way out and is still performing. Sachin is only left. SO WHICH YOUNG TALENT WAS NOT GIVEN CHANCE. I am surprised all are being given chance.
People are making hue and cry as if we have rested Ricky Ponting to play Sachin.
Moreover Sachin such a useful player. Cab bat take couple of odd wickets and assist the captain when required.
RE:Sachin
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
what about his batting when we chase big scores. how many times has he hit the winning runs?. How come ball keeps low only for him in pressure situations. Dravid was a better finisher
RE:Sachin
by Arghya Banerjee on Nov 06, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
please give the statiscs of dravid as a good finisher and how many times he get man of the match ?
RE:RE:Sachin
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
if you go by the statistics it gives you a blurred view because it will take your matches against Kenya, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe also into consideration. Our people are short sighted and they have different scales for measuring different people it looks like that
RE:Sachin
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
his money making skill and lobbying with the bigwigs of indian cricket is forgotten i think. that is his major skills
Mr.Bhushan Parab, I m glad to be Indian and I m not a Paki supporter. But useless cricket lovers like u wont understand what I m saying. For you Sachin is everything whether or not he plays. I m not only commenting against Sachin but I have also commented against Zaheer Khan who is also a Muslim. Please the debate is all about cricket so let us restrict our talks to cricket only instead of abusing anyone's cast, creed or religion. We have to understand the very important fact that YOUNGSTERS r the future of Indian cricket and they deserve opportunities. I m not asking the trio and Zaheer Khan to retire. This should be a smooth transition. Unless these youngsters get chances how would they prove themselves??? Mind you these youngsters have made India win a world cup whereas Sachin, Sourav, Dravid, Zaheer had never helped India to win even a single world cup.
RE:Why not yongsters??
by jaguar tech on Nov 06, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
I agree with you Usman. I also feel the same. Zaheer somehow lacks the killer instinct and he is pretty predictable after a couple of fours are hit. It looks like he just goes blank I have never seen him try out some variation at least. Pathan seems to have learnt. He is also multidimensional. Only good thing Zaheer did was win the match of dead rubber in Mumbai against Australia. And let us not talk about caste. Remember Pathan was the man of the match in the final in T20 cup. Let us not behave like irrational Shoib Malik who asked for forgiveness from all the muslims for having lost the match against India. Now the world is seeing the things happening in the Pakistan political scenario. I strongly believe there are more people who support this country irrespective of caste or creed. I saw it in the eyes of Pathan's father after our victory
RE:Why not yongsters??
by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
Yes Jaguar. That's what I mean to say by smooth transition. Let there be a mix-n-match of youngsters and seniors. This will help the Indian cricket team and the selectors also.
RE:For BHUSHAN PARAB
by Milind Kulkarni on Nov 06, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
Hi Usman I am talking only abt sachin ,saurav,dravid ---pl do not firget the trio has served the country for almost two decades and even today they carry the averages much higher than the newcomers who just sparkle like diwali crackers and vanish ,i can throw many such names --but doing it consistently for many yrs calls for caliber which the trio has shown and are still displaying the same ---so let us all join in respecting the trio as well our other heros who are consistent and not give newcomers a chance just for the sake of it--as every match is imp and so is victory--regds
RE:RE:For BHUSHAN PARAB
by Lotiya Pathan on Nov 06, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
Ushman, I have gone through your many messages.. You are nothing but ganguly sachin bashers. You try to put wrong logic agnst them. anyway, never mind for paki. paki is not abusive. but u abused sachin ganguly lot.
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Saurav on Nov 06, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
phir bhi pakistan ODI Series me usko koi chance nahi hai......LOL
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Dravid on Nov 06, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
When Sachin was rested against B'desh after the WC debacle didn't we win matches without Sachin? Then why do we take Sachin back to the team then? Does "kar" suffix in the names matters?
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Ricky Thukral on Nov 06, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
how many balls he took to make 100....and then check how many balls...did manoj tiwari and suresh raina took to make 200 runs....
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Dravid on Nov 06, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
Hello, this is a 4 day Ranji match and not Gulli 20 over match. Mind you ...
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Ricky Thukral on Nov 06, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
Yes...so you agree that Manoj tiwary and suresh raina who made 200's each playing in 4 day game are better then dravid.
RAINA AND TIWARY GOT TO 200...WITH A STRIKE RATE OF 100...WHILE DRAVID GOT A STRIKE RATE OF 40
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Dravid on Nov 06, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
Opposition also matters. Can you compare playing againsy Australia and Ireland to be same ???
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Usman Ali on Nov 06, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Some people in India still think that Sachin-Sourav r the best. They wont consider these young talents because they r jealous. Imagine, if this is the condition of common people what would selectors be doing???
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by Mature Stud on Nov 06, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
yes but that also applies for tewary. The seconfd thing is given his speed in 4 day match, he should come back for test team, not one dayers...
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by vox populi on Nov 06, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
ricky thukral--what stats are you providing and what comparisons are you making--every match and situation is different--so if you have nothing sensible to contibute kindly detest from making foolish statements
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by paul on Nov 06, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
Screw Thukral, he is Ganguly's dalal & has a one point agenda of Dravid bashing.
RE:Dravid 100 notout against Mumbai in the Ranji
by sunil gupta on Nov 06, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
He was wall of Indian team ,But now the time is foam basis not performence and statics basis.
well coming days teher will eb no syntax errors. qaulity opneneres backed by equally good numebr oen spot plaeyr in the ranks of highest oreder. shoib he si aint teh same i saw some breath taking openly guideddd shots through teh vacnat slip cordon...veven gordon grennnidge cant cut them off u neeed a left handed slip fiedler to react to open side . sher epxpxxlosive cirkcet fo oppponennets weaknessses. i wish pakisthan shoudl do soem soemthing to
use youins and md yusuf say both to full use .
i eman midldle oveevsr tehy cna plunder 130 120 kind fo partteterships twice in fifity overs. so this is to say. whwhen we have such batting depth . that too two good handlers of spin ..who cna handdlde evven saqaalalain the art fo wulaalaity spineenr showed .
theer wa snevevr atense situauation just bbeuauces of sourav andn gaanangulay . the other day i was atlkinga bout gaangulalay crerrasing teh abt ctahching with both hands eyeys on the blala. balalncncne sayay putting ahnds parllel to the groudn eyyes on the balal running annd ctahchcing with both handns udner floood lights..... so evveryithingw ent fo wleel when u ahve twowo gooodd qulaiaity opneneenrs . u shoudl use ur kepeping baatter bat at numebr six or sveveevn. fafariodhhdi cna bat at one spot u wish u cna use one extar option. u dont suue ur keekey plalayesr at key spots u are off . ur comnapy will close in few days. mind u u wihs to put abattsmene who scocores 40 odd rusn of fififty fiev ablls. i
I think everyone would like to see Shree in the team only coz of aggression . If u want to create pressure and series more lively then the team india must have shreesanth.Every1 including pakistanis want see him in the match.
