While Ganguly, Sehwag and Yuvraj scored runs...but What is the use of welcoming Ganguly when India lost? What kind of message is that? Ganguly scored some runs but threw away his wicket in each and every inning. He threw away his wicket against to B'desh after Yuvi just got out. All he had to do was bat another 8-9 overs and guide someone like Dhoni. Even against Bermuda he struggled. Too many dot balls and probably only player to give out a maiden over to Bermuda. I also wish he stayed a little longer against SL. These days Ganguly is not able to hit the way he used to. People are not giving him room...and bowling to him down the leg. He needs to find a way to handle such bowling if he wants to score runs at a good pace.
RE:Haaa
by Amitabh on Mar 30, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
Yes, I agree his batting was not the greatest I have seen, BUT is he supposed to do the job whilst the rest sit back and relax in the pavillion? Why do I not hear a word about the rest of the batsmen? BTW people might congratulate him because he has fought his way back and has PERFORMED unlike the rest .. repect that instead of negating it!
What do u expect people of Kolkata to do on Ganguly's return? Run behind him with sticks and shout at him? This is no way u welcome our guys who r gr8 though they missed out in this world cup. I am no Ganguly fan. But see the way the other Indian cricketers came back to India.. They were afraid. Y do they need to be. Its just a game. They r not corrupt like out politicians. And y do we shout at these guys when they loose a game. Do we pay them? But we do to our politicians. Why do we not shout at them. They should be asked to resign and not a Dravid or Sachin. Grow up people of India. These guys have represented this country. Does anyone of us writing about there removal or resignation in rediff have the courage to even play for our state?? The answer is NO. Then we dont have the right to say anything. I dont deny we are hurt. But that doesnt mean we should go out burning effigies of our cricketers. These guys didnt ask u to watch their matches or to make them their heroes. Its we who have made them that. So now we dont have the right to shout at these guys. Dont forget its the same guys who took India to the finals in the last world cup. And its just a match that India lost that threw them out of the World Cup. These things happen in cricket. Am sure the next time India face Bangladesh they r going to thrash them even if our best players dont play. Do u think Bangladesh will again defeat Aussies again. Guys grow up. There r many other topics in India which we should be discussing about and not about India loosing in the first round or Ganguly getting a warm welcome in India. Besides, I was reading people saying Ganguly should have played aggressively against Bangladesh. If he did when the wickets kept falling on the other hand, then India wud have made a much less score. Thats y I feel the timing of his out was not right. He went in to hit after Yuvi got out and then himself got out as well.. Else India wud have some more runs to defend, and anything cud have happned. But the main thing is lets stop making all these bull**** comments bout our crickets. Am sure the next time they start winning u r gonna make them ur heroes again.
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by vishal gupta on Mar 30, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Well Mr.Basu, I would like to answer one of your questions, you asked whether we pay them, then let me tell you yes we do pay them, whenever we drink any cola, mineral, eat biscuit, health drinks, we pay them... in every 10 Rs. bottle of Pepsi we pay them about 2-3 Rs. these guys are getting money from us ... mind u n not at all performing.. not even bothered of performing. Dont tell me who tells you to do so ... I drink cold drinks because I like it and we are forced to pay the amount like we are forced to pay to our netajis. And tell me last time when they performed every body praised them ... then also they should have told the same thing that its just a game dont make us hero ... dont pay us for playing ... why are they crying foul now when they are being kicked for the bad performance rather one of the worst performance .. tell me wht do they expect from us just sweets and no slaps ... i m telling you if i find rahul or sachin i will surely slap them ... because these are the guys who have been contributing in making the inflation rate high.
2 - 3 days back also i raised these points, you should have gone through that column of mine.
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by nitasha jain on Mar 30, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
well said. We are dissapointed in you team India, but we are with you, simply because you are the best among us!
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by Kumaresh Pillai on Mar 30, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
I believe expressing your view in Blog more wiser than burning effigy.
Well definitely all Indians have the right to criticise. Why people are agonised it is because of very special event and the team they selected has one of the batting line up in the world (atleast in the paper,if not in the ground)
Losing is definitely a part of game and well our cricketers get lots of excuses too. If you take at percentage of winining ours is 50% of the matches played. So the point is how they loose. Did any one of the player ever even think of fighting. Sport people are admired and they are made role models because of their fighting spirit. The way they batted and thier body language is what most of our fans is upset about. The wicket is good and was definitely a good pitch to bat and it is the third continuous game they play. so in all sense condition should match.
so this is the best way to show your comments instead of burning effigies. (at least even one cricketer read this that is the win for this Blog)
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by on Mar 30, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
Hi subrajit, I haven't ever seen such a strong & positive message to any message boards or blogs on internet so far. You really have dont an exceptionally excellant & briliant job by posting your views here. I'm too a Ganguly fan, so as Sachin & Dravid. What I just wanted to say here that Ganguly didn't play his natural aggressive games in 3 matches in WC but he scored some runs atleast in those matches. What about others?? Now, in the beginning balls were moving & BD bowled so well that openers & others couldn't make runs easily. This early movement of balls were also reported everywhere after the match (even dravid acknowledged that & said that he misread the pitch). Dravid actually shouldn't have taken batting when he won the match. He definitely played slowly in BD match but don't you guys think that if he could have played more strokes it would have been risky for India given that wickets kept falling on the other end? I think, when he saw that wickets were falling constantly, he thought that it would have been better to stay atleast 40-50 overs so that at the end if there are wickets left he could have charged the bowlers. If there is no specialist batsman in hand in the last 5-10 overs then it's actually impossible to score flowless runs with tailenders. His thinking was right as when he & Yuvi started charging at around 40th & 41st overs, we got 11 & 9 runs accordingly (so far as I remember). Then Yuvi unfortunately got out but at 43rd over Ganguly again wanted to hit a bigger one & gave a catch & got out. Then what did we see? Most of the other tailenders gave away their wickets (4 wickets gone in 2-3 overs or so). Now just think, if he could have stayed like 2 more overs then first, we didn't loose those wickets & second, we would have atleast 20 runs more in total after 50 overs. Now we've got 191 after 50 overs against BD (which BD managed to make on their 50th over). It would have been around 220 & heaven forbid we've won the match. Now again, another thing, which people are not mentioning: what about our fielding in that match? Everyone says Dada can't field well. Well, what did dravid do? He missed a simple catch in that match. Harbhajan, Dhoni, Uthapa all missed easy or half chance catches. In that match I could easily remember we missed atleast 5 catches. One of the BD 4 down batsman, Rahim managed 50 not out but his easy catch was missed by Dhoni when he was 8. Now you guys tell me, even if we got 191, in this low scoring matches if we keep missing catches, do we deserve the winning? I don't think so.
That's why I don't understand why always people blame Dada, not others !!! Just go to cricinfo & check the statguru, you'll find that Ganguly got 9 50's in his last 11 matches averaging best compared to Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag & Yuvi. Still you guys will blame Dada for his batting?
Please think about it before criticizing someone ALONE.
And for the people who are bringing regionalism here, please don't do that as most of the Bengalis (like me) think that First there is India & then Bengal (or other states), not the otherwise. For some of you guy's mean comments & behavior we all Bengalis feel ashamed. Thanks! Atanu Mukherjee http://plaza.ufl.edu/atanu75
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by Biraja Mohanty on Mar 30, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
congrats.... one of the best comments I've ever seen in rediff. keep it up. I agree with you we should learn how to behave and recognise the real issues.....
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by Ankur Korvadia on Mar 31, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
nice comments...i completely agree with you...thr r lot more issues than cric in this country...ppl r more concerned abt cric bollywood leaving critical issues like poverty,education,health etc...i kn cric is like a religion n i dnt agree with ur comment that we dnt pay them or jus coz we arent playing...rite bt look at the kind of respect they get the kind of money they make thru endorsements the kind of lavish life they leave..if you say this thing abt old cricketers like amarnath,bedi or kapil dev thats understandable as it wasnt much popular then n even if it was then too dey nev got this much mony attention as much todays cricekters r getting....everyone has to do deir job dnt u do ur work when u r at office u do rite no matr hw many deadlines u hav to meet den too we try our best n give 100%...dis is nt de first instance which has happend in Indian cric we have been loosing abroad since long..n nth has been done yet..wudnt ur comapny fire u if u keep failing to meet deadlines..same thing all of us do mistake bt we cant take things for granted...everyone needs to b responsible towards deir duty...as far as hype arnd cric concerned i feel its unnecessary look at our country by sitting in metro we wont realise real issues real prob bt we shud come al together n fight for the real probs as i mentioned earlier corruption poverty education roads water drought flood earthquakes tsunami....almost we have all of the worlds problem bt we keep negelecting n keep wasting our time on a game like cric is it our game??can we ppl afford to waste 6-7 hrs on TV???i personally feel no instead we shud think of solutions to all dese probs and shud work for real issues...
RE:Lets stop shouting at our cricketers
by MP Priya on Mar 30, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
U hav said absolutely right.....Im happy 2 c comments like urs!Keep it up!
I thnk that australians arrogant and chappel is no different. He did more to the team than neone else. ganguly is not a better player than other members of the team but he did raise his game to come back in the team india. he has leadership skills much much better than dravid. combine that with inability of an australian to understand the indian side, we indians play by instinct thats our strength. I think that it was more like office job with targets under chapel. Dravid was his chamcha. Performance of tendulkar was not much better than ganguly but BCCI found it easier to get rid of him because lot of presure from public and sponsors. Ganguly's performance was average but the team's performance below average, and BCCI & Chapel are worst part of the whole story. BCCI more than anyone else because they shouldnt have choosen an australian, if you want to improve fielding than you do so at ranji tropy by appointing some low profile assistant coaches but its not a good experiment at international level. I think BCCI needs a reform
All non bengalis should shut up their mouth. 1)On Dada's groupism, what north indians and marathis will say about Gavaskar-Kapil row!!! 2)On Dada's individual play, what marathi will say good for nothing Sachin's records. 3)On captaincy, what south indian will say about Dravid who can't keep count of a bowler's remaining overs!!!
You guys just shut up and see how Dada is ruling Indian cricket as captain for next couple of years (I am opptimistic till next world cup)!!!
RE:SHUT UP
by bikramjit sen on Mar 30, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
why dont u send ur dad to play for our team??u seem to have a legendary cricketing background...
RE:SHUT UP
by SUBROTO RAY on Mar 30, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Dada will be coaching didis that is the woman's cricket team thats what he said in an interview after retirement which I think is pretty soon. what say friends
RE:Ganguly
by dhriti basu mallik on Mar 30, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
Hi guys it seems a lot of people seem to think India did not qualify to the Super 8s for Ganguly alone. There were 6 more batsmen. All are to blame. Give credit where its due, he did perform when under tremendous pressure on his return. He is fighter lets give him that. I presume quite a few players can be given the Ganguly treatment and see how things goes from there.
RE:Ganguly
by Kumaresh Pillai on Mar 31, 2007 12:33 AM Permalink
One thing we have to understand. Why Ganguly? Before even answering this i will tell you he is a superb player, his come back is very good, his exclusion from team is stupid, but... we need a flying start in important tournament , because in world cup event every team will come with new strategy and with new ball you can do some swings and take wickets.
thats why all the team has very good batsmen as opener. so Ganguly is one of a great striker of the ball. thats why expectation on ganguly is high and he did not played is natural game.
but given who performed it is definitely Ganguly,even captaincy should go to either Tendulkar or Ganguly. No Dravid or Yuvraj(he is too young to handle now)
Look at the face of OUR TEAM members, they are afraid of something. Sreesanth is crying because he hasn't get any oppertunity to play..Look Kumble he left gracefully(!) Then Why Sachin and Rahul should worry, prove yourself, u are still worthy......the days are ahead of you..
The news about warm welcome to Ganguly beats my imagination. When the whole country is crying over the loss of its prestige on the international scene and is yet to come to terms with the ignominious exit, we have our patriots from Bengal cheering their leader! What a shame! Have we lost all sense of objectivity?
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by RajenNair on Mar 30, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
Yeah Kannan. 'Objectivity' lies in defacing cricketers' homes and abusing them, right?
RE:RE:Blind love to the extreme
by Kannan SivaramanViswanatha on Mar 30, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Hi mate, you are a master in reading between the lines, I never meant it that way. Both examples are wrong. Firstly, we should learn to treat our heroes as humans and not like demigods. Second, we should have the equanimity to take things in our stride and look ahead. Lastly, Ganguly certainly does not deserve "a warm welcome" which only goes to suggest that his followers are happy about his performance regardless of team india's. That is what is objectionable. Nothing else. He certainly deserves a welcome, an uneventful one at that!
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by Kumaresh Pillai on Mar 30, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
Well, if one thiks of his striking rate in so called Batsmen Paradise pitch, it just annoys me.
god knows whats in their mind.
but one thing DADA you will not get captaincy again.
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by Indian on Mar 30, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Yes, Bengali's are happy that their Daada was instrumental in bringing up Bengal's pride by India Loosing to Bangladesh. Had their Daada not stood and wasted 35 overs without scoring required runs and making a mockery of the game,Bangladesh wouldnt have won the match. Hence Bengali's gave a heroes welcome to him
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by on Mar 31, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
We lost the Bangladesh match because of pathetic performance from Dravid and Tendulkar. In first 2 matches it was Dada only who kept the innings going otherwise team India could not survive 50 overs like the match against Lanka.In fact Dada and Sehwag scored maximum runs in the tournament from India. Bengalis are deservedly proud of Ganguly performance in WC 2007.Shame on fans who still find no fault with Dravid but blame Ganguly - a player who has scored 6 fifties in 9 matches since his ODI comeback.
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by arup ghosh on Mar 30, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
You are so right Mr. Indian. We as bengalis are really proud of Ganguly.He single-handedly took India to defeat against bangladesh. Poor sachin, if it had not been for saurav he surely would have scored a 200 against bangladesh and india would have won the match. When Britain's labor prime minister Clement Attlee was about to pass the Indian Independence act his long-time rival, conservative, legendary Indian-hater Winston Churchill had commented 'Clemet does not know what a blunder he is about to commit. Indians are savages.Once they get freedom they will eat each other alive in the name of caste, religion and language.' Mr. Churchill was so right. You have just proved it Mr. Indian.Congrats!
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by Jaydeep Mukhopadhyay on Mar 30, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
Here Support to Ganguly by Kolkattans means his win over Chappel and rest of the Indian Patriotic selector's defeat.
This is a good sign as only Ganguly could make some runs on the West Indies pitches by which we are still able to show our faces in the crickting world. Others made nothing but a mess.
RE:Blind love to the extreme
by SUBROTO RAY on Mar 30, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Give him a booted garland. He needs one for scoring some scratchy runs well below world cup standards (run rate) on your behalf.
There are so many post mortems why INDIA is out of world cup.... As per me the main culprit is Mr. GANGULY Because of him we lost the match against Bangladesh.....how ? He was there on the crease for around 35 overs. Though everybody know Bangladesh has only 2 good bowlers. So after first bowling change..the spinner came into attack. Everybody knows what is the quality of spin of Bangladesh...but or so called great Ganguly played complete under pressure..he never though of attacking the spinner and desturbing their line and lenght. If he has attack once , thern definately INDIA was supposed in better condition. He even dont bother to take singles...because of this pressure build on batsman lower the order. Against Srilanka, when singles were required, he played foolish shot in air and thrown his wicket.
So in what ways he deserves the warm welcome. He played complete selfish game..making 50 in 130 balls..
Sometimes I doubt he purposefully played like this to regain the captaincy back..
but dont worry..peoples are wise enough Mr Ganguly..they understood your game plans
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by dhriti basu mallik on Mar 30, 2007 08:40 PM Permalink
WOW, this is really fabulous. There is a saying Bengali "Sab beta ke chere oei beta ke dhor" --> meaning if there is problem leave everyone and get that one, here the one is obviously Ganguly. He is really an interesting character, fail or succeed, win or lose he is not ignored. He get brickbats if he scores runs he gets brickbats if he doesn't score. He gets brickbats for not being able to get into the team and also for getting into it. I presume you guys are getting the idea of the saying. It really suits Ganguly well. A ready made reason for all to vent anger, frustration and blame. Always available. Not to mention the other past time curse Bengalis. Not bad eh.
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by mithun roy on Mar 30, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
Please try to be impartial. Postmortem has been done on Indian Cricket team. Why dont you think intelligently? If you are not able to do that please stop these nonsence words.
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by Iam on Mar 30, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
Mr. Ganguly referes to Sourav Gangula and not any other Bengali. I have great respect for all bengalis !!
I think you are great folish. If Ganguly not stay in ground, India should finish within 100 runs. Are you friend of MORE, DUNGAPUR OR BEDI? I love cricket, so i not found any DOUBT in Ganguly playing style against Bangladesh.
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by AAA on Mar 30, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Gautam, Think other way round had ganguly scored another 25 runs in 129 balls India would have won the match. Think seriously.
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by shahnawaz shaikh on Mar 30, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
You are talking about quality of bangla spinners, the same Bangla spinners took wicktes of our GREAT TENDULKAR & THE WALL DRAVID. Is Ganguly only responsible to score runs? What about 10dulkar & Dravid? You fool have you played cricket ever?
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by AAA on Mar 30, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
NO one is saying others have done aremarkable job during bangladesh encounter, but ganguly has equal share in india's defeat against bangladesh
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by Pijus Sasmal on Mar 30, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Hey man, u r totally wrong. Cricket is not a one man game. If u r telling about Bangladesh match, Ganguly was the only batsman who spend on the crease whereas others r like cat.please dont blame Ganguly and try to stop this.
RE:Ganguly- The Culprit
by AAA on Mar 30, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
NO one is saying others have done aremarkable job during bangladesh encounter, but ganguly has equal share in india's defeat against bangladesh
1996 world cup was a hooligans act but after that why everybody started following that. now by welcoming sourav bengalies have showed the way of dealing defeat. underdeveloped nations like pakistan can through stones at their cricketers or columbia can kill their player but do we follow them. look germany inspite of loosing world cup in their own country no body cares to show protest. they dont have so much time dear.
RE:Bengal showed the way
by Prashanth Chikani on Mar 30, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
Talking about germany's defeat!!ha ha it was not in a hands of some minnows like india did while playing bangladesh. Germany had played best possible game they could. you should have seen they difference of approach the Germans had and our indian team had. Warm welcome ,,,its time to kick some ass
RE:RE:All of us will observe the fact that SACHIN...
by mithun roy on Mar 30, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
No doubt Sachin is great batsman ,but his present form worris us a lot. He need some rest and he should reduce his advertisement and concentrate in cricket. I think he will overcome this problem.
RE:All of us will observe the fact that SACHIN...
by Kumaresh Pillai on Mar 30, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Mr Greg Chappell - if you want to travel to exotic location in India better do it now at the BCCI cost.
Because you will be the one given ticket to Sydney. But one suggestion go to Bangladesh and do your experiment. so that the upcoming team will be completely collapsed.
