Two players who i think will be missed will be laxman and kaif at the WC in WI. there wasnt a need for sehwag and robin uthappa.. one of them would of been enough .. and then dinesh karthick should have not been included .. i dont see him winning matches for india .. so india should of left dinesh , sehwag/robin and included laxman and kaif.
But the sad truth is that no matter how much we get involved and stressed .. the final 15 has been picked .. and if sehwag clicks during the WC (highly unlikely) it will be us who will be giving him the uncessary hipe.
So good or a bad decision, we will have to wait and see.. WHAT DO U GUYS THINK?
RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
Dinesh Karthick already won matches for India. He won man of match against West Indies.
Kaif and VVS have pathetic averages (32, 29) not fit for ODI game.
They havent proved themselves even after giving so many chances.
But i agree that Sehwag should be given royal boot.
RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Dinakar Rayaprolu on Feb 15, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
How much is Dinesk Karthick's avg? an average of 32 is good my friend in long career. How many players have 4o averages, only a few.
RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Harinder Toor on Feb 15, 2007 02:03 AM Permalink
ur so much about averages.. do u have a replacement for these guys who average 40 ???
RE:RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 02:19 AM Permalink
You have to give time to new talent to play a couple of matches. then the best will average 40 or above... look at Dhoni...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Harinder Toor on Feb 15, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
nothing against dhoni (i am a fan) but hes played 100 less odi's as compared to yuvraj (165 ODIs against 65 ODIs) ..
new talent .. havent we been giving enough chances to the new talent (raina, gambhir etc) since chappel took over the coaching .... now is a little too late for discovering new talent my friend .. i am in disagreement with your thoughts!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Harinder Toor on Feb 15, 2007 05:30 AM Permalink
It appears as if ur only a fan or someone who hits the ball hard.. and try 8-10 guys n u will find 1 or 2.. good luck buddy.. and yuvraj on his debut played a memorable knock.. where he scored 84 and india went onto win.. the stats speak over time and i suppose we will have to wait n see how consistent dhoni is after 162 ODI's (i hope he is consistent and better than yuvraj) but not many will write off yuvraj like u are trying to...
and really think twice and be realistic if u will find 1-2 good talents every 8-10 players .. so far after dhoni india really hasnt produced anyone who is capable of winning a match on his own
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
Dhoni has played which is well engough to justify... Yuivraj or Kaif didnt achieve anything near to it after they had played 65 matches (you can check individual match scores from Cricinfo.com).
If you try out 6 or 8 new talents, you will get 1 or 2 good talents... like Dhoni, and hopefully Robin uthappa...
RE:RE:Laxman / Kaif
by anand vardhan pathak on Feb 15, 2007 03:18 AM Permalink
in the position were Kaif plays it is difficult to have enough overs to score runs important is his contribution at crucial junctures.Unfortunately he is low in form worsened by selectors apathy.
RE:Laxman / Kaif
by vimal raj on Feb 15, 2007 08:16 AM Permalink
why are u so biased towards dinesh karthick? he has proved himself in whatever opportunities he got as a match winner
RE:any chance Parthiv Patel?
by vimal raj on Feb 15, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
yeah sure we will drop dhoni and take parthiv(mr butter fingers) to the world cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:any chance Parthiv Patel?
by Yogesh R on Feb 15, 2007 03:27 AM Permalink
Are kya bola bhai!! Are aapko tho Duniya ka aatwa ajooba karaar dena chahiye. Bole to Bhai bol diya bus Patel ko hi keeper hone ko maagta hai! Yeha kabki kopdi sadkeli hai bus aap ki baat ki wajan mai bardaash nahi kar paa raha Bhai.
RE:RE:any chance Parthiv Patel?
by srinivasa on Feb 15, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
look some one's talking about patel. We have two better wickys instead...I will never forget the way he dropped a sitter from Ponting and went on to make double century.
Replace Dravid with ganguly as Captain Dump Dravid and bring Devang Gandhi in his place Dump Dhoni and bring Deep Dasgupta as keeper Dump Zaheer and bring Ranadeb Bose in his place Dump Munaf and bring S.S.Paul in his place Dump Kumble and bring utpal Chatterjee in his place
Replace Chappel with Somnath Cahterjee as Coach
Would these make the Bengali Babus in this room happy? And would India then be a sure bet to bring home the silverware?
RE:Team for Bengali Babus
by Subhabrata Roy on Feb 15, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
Its quite unfortunate that you are spreading regionalism.. Please dont be insecure.. Dravid will remain captain till the WC.. Though I dont know how will he hide himself after the WC.. Hope he is Intelligent enough to do things other than backstabbing..
RE:RE:Team for Bengali Babus
by Dipanjan Ray on Feb 15, 2007 09:32 AM Permalink
The more you speak against Bengalis, the more it proves how insecured you guys feel from us. Don't worry, we are tolerant enough not to dump your dirty ass in any river in the world.
RE:RE:RE:Team for Bengali Babus
by navin kumar on Feb 15, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
we r not insecure abt u bengalis but yes we r intolerant towards ur crazy thoughts n desires!whole India realized how uncivilzed n inational(?!) u were when u jeered for Indian cricket team against SA! n u talk abt backstabbing!!! this is wat they call irony!
Ok,,Ok,,Ok,,'Sehwag is useless,,', 'Sehwag not worthy to be in team,,' enough guys! What can you achieve by criticizing Sehwag & Dravid(for selecting him). Things are not going to change, he is in world cup team and he is going to play.
Instead I suggest you guys to talk something else and support Team India and hope we get the World Cup.
RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Nishant singhal on Feb 15, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
dont you all think that at this moment our players need to remain injury free. Yuvraj's fielding is time tested and so dont trz to read from these one or two matches. Thing to see was the fluency with which they(yuv and sehwag) are gelling in the team. Sehwag is a instinct player and these kind of players need confidence and not just techique. This is the vestility of team that we have players of different style. Just think the utility of sehwag, middle order, openin, bowling, fielding only problem is that "IF he can perform" but that "IF" is with all players. there is no gurantee for anybody. So just support your team with full throat. We have recently what can happen in one day cricket in case of `australia and England" so just keep your fingers crossed and send some good wishes to our team and hope that they will perform. Nishant
RE:RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Harinder Toor on Feb 15, 2007 02:20 AM Permalink
nishant good post n thoughts but this team lacks the level of consistency .. I agree though they should stay injury free before the WC starts but what about some match practice, yuvraj played 2 ODI's against the lankans, looks to be getting in touch with batting but truly below what he is capable of .. so what is the answer to the lack of "match practice" ??
RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Anish Scaria on Feb 15, 2007 01:36 AM Permalink
Sehwag;s form is really an issue of deep concern...Yuvraj was out for alomost 6 months and he's performed better than Sehwag
RE:RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Harinder Toor on Feb 15, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
I was watching the 3rd ODI and I saw yuvraj fielding and I am forced to believe that he is not fully fit (sore back maybe?) but his fielding was a matter of concern.. and now with just one game left before the WC .. should india be looking to play some practice matches for the next 10 days to get some of the guys back in the rythm ..
BUT, i have noted indians play their practice games (amongst each other) without any agression and I doubt any of them have a goal in their mind before they play these practice games. They take them too lightly
RE:RE:RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
Yuvraj again flattered to deceive as always... average of 33 is v V poor for so much hype around him. very soon he will join dinesh mongia, VVS, Kaif, Gambhir outside
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Sehwag...Sehwag...Sehwag...
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 02:22 AM Permalink
i am not anti Yuvraj... i have the numbers to prove on my side. Why am I not criticizing Dhoni... look at his Average and SR... world class... he has lived up to his hype
Ok%u2026Ok%u2026Ok%u2026%u201DSehwag is useless%u2026%u201D, %u201CSehwag not worthy to be in team%u2026%u201D enough guys! What can you achieve by criticizing Sehwag & Dravid(for selecting him). Things are not going to change, he is in world cup team and he is going to play.
Instead I suggest you guys to talk something else and support Team India and hope we get the Cup.
Let us be careful for the future matches, because, in this match Sri Lanka were with out 3 main bowlers.
Sehwag and Yuvraj's form still remains a BIG concern.
Dravid should use Zaheer in short spells, to make sure he lasts, at least till the end of World Cup.
Indian Team has always been sloppy on the Fielding part of the game. In order to improve the Fielding Standards for the future Indian Teams, BCCI should not include any new player in the 30 probable, unless the individual meets a certain benchmark requirements, with respect to Fielding.
RE:Good to see India Winning!
by on Feb 15, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
Dravid should use Zaheer in short spells ... I like this. Unfortunately I found Dravid bit more defensive when it comes to bowling rotation. I found at times that when new srilankan batsman came he shd try getting his prime bowlers to get another wicket. Instead he was trying to finish is fifth bowler.
RE:RE:Good to see India Winning!
by suman das on Feb 15, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right. Dravid should use our pace bolwlers with not more than 5 overs at a stretch. We have seen even Zaheer was expensive when he bowled his 7 th over at a stretch. Have you ever seen Dravid to speak with his bowler while bowling or pat them (which can motivate them )?
The 3rd odi between india and srilanka was really facinating to watch,Zaheer khan has swung the ball and wrecked the srilankan innings,munaf and agarkar has provided a good support, Bajji back into action with 2 goodie's, it was a treat to watch the indian bowlers in full swing.The only worry is the batting of the Top order, sehwag has again not able to deliver up to his mark,saurav what a class off side player he is, definetly he is back with a bang for the world cup,it was treat to watch him hitting boudaries to off side although the srilankans placed four fielders in off side.Dravid was clearly in a great mood to make it big for the world cup and dhoni is simply superb.I wish India to carry the job the same way and clinch the odi series which will boost all the guys for the world cup.All the Best India.
It seems like dhoni is better than rahul,sachin and sourav having an average over 55. See we should consider their wins and losses, how many people have critisized dravid,sachin and sourav when they have poor performance, so let them do the job and try to give the message to the board to do some talent hunt if possible, it is not at all useful to critisize any one of our indian team now. And selecting the team for world cup is not so easy to any one, whatz wrong in choosing shehwag for WC, earlier many people told that sehwag is a pet to dada, now you are telling sehwag is a friend of mr.wall. this is not fare to critisize them, if selectors doesnt give what dravid is expecting then how can he show the result, he simply put the blame on the selectors, and dravid is in the bottle neck, if sehwag succeed in the wc, it is good for india not for any individuals, so plz be optimistic, why always thinking about ganguly now, coz he is doing something for the team, and dravid, chappel have rejected him when he is underperforming, now they cant ignore him coz dada is in the form, i am not a fan of saurav, but according to the media, i got to know that saurav's is not succeeded overnight, do you know how he attended the nets , except zaheer and saurav no one has gone for nets for 2 days, i am not blaming the team, coz they know that there is no effect for their place if they show the poor performance, but that is not for saurav or zaheer, if they failed in SA tour they are not even get the place for 30 probables for WC. So it is kind of trust and their performance, saurav got his place coz of his recent performance, sehwag got the place coz dravid trusted on him, dravid got the captaincy coz of his past performance. and not because of any personal things.
RE:Dont blame indian team
by Abasu on Feb 15, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
I agree to every word, excpet, man! you were sleeping when Sourav was thrown out of the team for POOR PERFORMANCES!
RE:RE:Dont blame indian team
by Swamy BJ on Feb 15, 2007 04:33 AM Permalink
even chappel is not interested with sehwag, but wall is there for him, but saurav is not having support either from the management or from the board so he is the scape gaot!!!!!!!
Why it is neceesary to have people of having no experience in WI.Conditions in WI are very much different from sub-continent condition.Also this is the big "World cup",ie,we don't want to loose it.More precisely saying we want people who can sustain the pressure of world cup.And fast bowlers who can bowl at depth.Where is the people like Ashish Nehra who played exceptionally well in last world cup,taken more wickets than anybody else, also the indian who bowled the fastest ball in the last world cup.Where is our talented Balaji? Please put your comment here
RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by kaushick kaushick on Feb 14, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
It is true that Balaji and Nehra are been neglected, But Zaheer has good come back and pathan has yet to prove and Munaf has got the pace.
RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Yogesh R on Feb 14, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
Hi,
Remember Vengsarkar's answer to this question. Even Kapil Bowled and batted well in the 1983 world cup winning team. So should even he be selected for the world cup squad. Based on current form, fitness and ability Zaheer, Munaf, Agarkar, Sreesanth and Irfan are the best bowlers available in India currently. So instead of feeling for Nehra, Balaji etc Please give full support to the selected team.
RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Faiz Jaffri on Feb 15, 2007 12:04 AM Permalink
Agree, but I am not really comfortable with Sreesanth. Any bowler who gives away in excess of 6 runs in an over is a liability unless he can prove his worthiness while batting or fielding which Sreesanth can do neither. I think that more emphasis should be on batting lineup cuz let's face it, if you have plenty of runs on the board or you have the batting lineup till number 9 to chase any score, you can be assured that a "W" is around the corner. Irfan Pathan should be encouraged and played cuz he is definitely crucial to the Indian XI. So with that said, here is my WC lineup for the games to commence in few days:
Forget Bhajji & Kumble. I can gurantee you that they will be hit all over the park. Dinesh Kartick is an ideal replacement for Kaif, cuz like Kaif, he is an agile fielder, can score runs at a better pace than our Kaif.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Yogesh R on Feb 15, 2007 12:31 AM Permalink
Hi, No Gaurantee Pathan will be able to bowl 10 overs in the match as has been happening of late knowing this will you get onto the field with 4 bowlers including Pathan.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by srinivasa on Feb 15, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
No genuine spinner in that line-up. That will be disaster line-up in slow WI pitches.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Yogesh R on Feb 15, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
Harbhajan is the best one day spinner India has produced. Only a mad will keep him out of the team.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Faiz Jaffri on Feb 15, 2007 01:22 AM Permalink
No it is not a disaster, my friend. Trust me, you do not need genuine spinners, we have Tendu and Yuvi to do the job for the slow bowlers. Just as WI will have Samuels and Gayle. Batting will hold the key. Had this been Indian pitches, I'd have said, sure include Bhajji & Kumble. The boundaries are gonna be short and these "genuine" spinners will be clobbered all over the park.
RE:RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Dinakar Rayaprolu on Feb 15, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
So you mean to say, current form of Sehwag is good. Fitness of Pathan, Yuvraj, Munaf is satisfactory and Vengy did a good job. HATS OFF to YOU.
RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Mauruthi on Feb 15, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
yes, where is Balaji...? Selectors have ditched him... very big politics invloved here as there is no push for Balaji unlike players from Mumbai, Karnataka
RE:RE:Matter of selecting Fast Bowlers
by Shakeel Rahman on Feb 15, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Balaji is playing veterans cricket these days, why do u want to disturb him? http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=7215
We Indians never know what exactly we want. And it same in Cricket as well. All of us want Sachin to win matches every time and it is not possible. He may be a failure some times but still India won at those times. It was couple of months ago honi was targetted for his poor prformance and his Modelling and Advertisements. Now he is playing ( Never knew till how long ) but still this may be his come back. Some of us are saying Sachin should be dropped. Is it right to say that ? Even if he is dropped from the squad it will be same people saying that Sachin should be brought back and same case with Sehwag. It is good give out our opinion and some many may not read this. But I sincerley request people who all participated in this forum to say some thing about Star News Channel who always change their comments depending on India%u2019s success. If we people can say that what they say about our players is wrong then I appreciate all.
RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by raghav gupta on Feb 14, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
Sachin is fine, he proves himself worthy time and again.
But i disagree for Sehwag. He has not given one good performance for far too many matches now. I don't think anybody has ever got these many chances with poor performance before.
In my opinion, he should not play world cup and back out himself.
RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Yogesh R on Feb 15, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Dude, he has been given too many chances no doubt but don't forget India is no Australia where if one player is dropped there are atleast 5 competent players fighting to occupy that place. There are not many players as aggressive, capable of destroying the opposition as Sehwag in the world. Bowlers feel the fear in the presence of Sehwag at the top of the batting order. He also gives the bowling option and if he clicks with the bat we know how effective he can be. The team management is taking a chance carrying him to carribean. Let's hope he clicks.
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by raghav gupta on Feb 15, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
I believe Raina, Kaif or Gautam Gambhir may do a better job.
You cannot keep a player as he creates fear amongst bowler. What fear will he create when he cannot stand there for more than 1 - 2 overs judjing by recent performances.
TAKING CHANCES, is it the best approach for a tournament like world cup. NOT according to me. You should keep your best foot forward based on present best choices not on past performance or HOPES that a non-performer will suddenly perform.
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by kaushick kaushick kaushick on Feb 15, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
But remember one thing when sehwag was introduced no body knew that he would be so good at striking the ball. He was given a chance thats means some one was dropped at that time. we dont want sehwag to be dropped but we want sehwag to read this dicussion and more articles fovouring him so that he can perform and improve more his batting skills.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Faiz Jaffri on Feb 15, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
There is no question that he is perhaps the best striker of the ball, the power he unleashes is phenomenal, but whats that gonna do when you get out cheaply. He had been given far too many chances and if he has any self-respect and shame, he should bow out of the team and open door for someone like, Raina, Gambhir or Kaif.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Yogesh R on Feb 15, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
Faiz,
Look at his test record, he averages 50 and has been among the most consistent player probably after Dravid since 2002. Based on that performance doesn't he deserve that chance ahead of Raina, Gambhir or Kaif and remember on his day sehwag can destroy the likes of McGrath, Pollock, Brett Lee etc which Kaif, Raina or Gambhir will be never be able to.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by kaushick kaushick on Feb 15, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
What do you think mate,sehwag himself is happy with his own present performance. iam sure every time he goes to bat he thinks that it will be his come back. And people sitting and watching him thinks the same. But unfortunately it is not happening. But that doesnt mean that he should feel ashamed of. He is not involved in any match fixing or anything like that for he feel ashamed of. Forget about dropping him from the squad but think about playing him on and off so that he reads the opposition and at the same time we may get new player when Sehwag is not playing one or two matches. But dropping him off is something should not be recommended.
RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Halekote dayananda on Feb 14, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
mr guptha i am with you. Sehwag is not interested in playing cricket.mr Darvid wants some company in west indis thats why he is in team. let us request to sehwag to stay back,for the sake of india.
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by kaushick kaushick on Feb 14, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Yes is true that Sehwag%u2019s performance is not that good. But he needs only one big match for the come back. Of course it is not good to give so many chances for that match, who never knew when it comes but he has got the potential and he is good striker of the ball and there is no other player who can replace him atleast for now.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by raghav gupta on Feb 14, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
May be good in one and then bad again in 10, Is that what we want. Anyway, when that 1 good match will come also, no one knows.
You really seem to like Sehwag, Wake-up, I wish he had regained form and performing now rather than being given a chance to regain form in the world cup.
RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by kaushick kaushick on Feb 14, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
Every one knows that he is been a failure.But we should also know that the management also knows that and aware of it. But still he is been chances, that means the managment, captain and coach have some ideas for him. After all it is their jobs are stake as well if some goes wrong...
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by raghav gupta on Feb 14, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
I think management, rahul etc. do not want to part with him. I don't know why ? If there was a plan for him it should have better succeeded by now as it;s not that he has failed today, he has been failing for a while now. If the plan is not successful, show him the door and if he has it in him, let him prove that, the way sourav did.
We will welcome him back, the way Sourav was welcomed, but SHOW US WHAT U GOT
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by kaushick kaushick on Feb 14, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
Yes is true that Sehwag%u2019s performance is not that good. But he needs only one big match for the come back. Of course it is not good to give so many chances for that match, who never knew when it comes but he has got the potential and he is good striker of the ball and there is no other player who can replace him atleast for now.
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Arjun Dutta on Feb 14, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
If Raina is thought about as a substitute for Sehwag, then selecyors have done the right thing by including Sehwag...Even if he gets out cheaply he will not waste balls and can more often hit boundaries and over boundaries which Raina cannot. I really don't know why we are always talking of someone's inclusion (Raina) when it is proven he is not fit for international cricket....
RE:RE:RE:Sachin, Sehwag are still good
by Arjun Dutta on Feb 14, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
If Raina is thought about as a substitute for Sehwag, then selecyors have done the right thing by including Sehwag...Even if he gets out cheaply he will not waste balls and can more often hit boundaries and over boundaries which Raina cannot. I really don't know why we are always talking of someone's inclusion (Raina) when it is proven he is not fit for international cricket....
