I really don't see any necessary to blame dravid for the selection..The channels reported that dravid was not comfortable with the seniors and hence he did not want them and it was all decided in the meeting..If so y did vengsarkar call them before the meeting and inform them..And also y was there a news saying that sachin and sourav will be dropped for the tour even 3 days prior to the meeting..I am not trying to support dravid but just being logical and trying to think rationally.. If it is this then i think they had already decided before dravid even entered the meeting that ganguly and sachin should be dropped..I think the BCCI is using dravid as a scapegoat and trying to blame him for all their decisions and justifying that nothing is wrong in their part.. This was done even before the WC started by vengsarkar that dravid wanted sehwag and the funny part in this was that Sehwag was the top scorer..BCCI is just trying to justify it and blame their decisions on someone else..
RE:Blaming Dravid
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 21, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
thats wt BCCI do always. when they wanted say endorsmenets are the real reasons for players not performaing, they said the former captains told this to BCCI. when media asked all the captians who attended the BCCI meeting, everybody denied saying so. So Wt BCCI does is it decides on something, takes the decison and endorses somebody to take the decison and have the later consequences of the Decision and BCCI runs away from the decision. :)
Politics always played and plays and still will play in decision making process because the bosses of the BCCI were always either busienssmen or politiciians.
RE:RE:Blaming Dravid
by Rahul Roy on Apr 21, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Dravid is not a powerful leader and has no respect from the existing senior players. That%u2019s why he is looking for new players who will be grateful for the chance in the team. He is too introvert & self centered to be a captain. For his selfish act and self interest he (with the help from another two similar minded person Greg& More ) turned the 'Team India'( inherited from great Ganguly era) to a collection of great players. If you can not build a team then you can not be a team leader. Without a %u201Cteam%u201D you can't win. Consequently we dropped from ICC ranking 2 to 6. He has no influencing power and does not have any charisma to be a captain. He himself understands that. That%u2019s why now he got another a couple of south colleagues (Prasad & Sing) to get the help, support and the %u201Cpower%u201D to make the players agree to his silly plans. Remember if that plain fails he will complain like a child that his players didn%u2019t support him.
A person who can%u2019t lead himself how can he lead 1.2 billion people ?
RE:Blaming Dravid
by evelyn abraham on Apr 21, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
This is supporting one player and undermining the other..Just take the stupid NDTV story where they reported abt rahul dravid's selection drama..Read the story and you will c two different sets of remarks..Let me highlight it to u. NDTV said that sources close to the BCCI informed them that dravid was not comfortable with the senior player..If so y did vengsarkar call both sachin and sourav before the match and inform them. and one more thing which seems to be totally opposite selectors were very unhappy with the BCCI's directive to rest Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly for the one-dayers but they had no choice but to toe the line. If this is the reason y blame dravid.. India won under ganguly becoz all the players were in good form..Under Dravid no one seems to be in form the bowlers or the batsman..He never complained that the players did not support him..This is what the media is doing..Setting up the people against cricket becoz v people are stupid enough to believe them..
RE:RE:RE:Blaming Dravid
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 21, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
These senior players dont respect Dravid because he is a perfecionist and always pushes others to be the same. So called seniors are always in a comfort zone and dont want to come out of that Comfort Zone. If somebody like Greg or dravid or previous Coach John Wright wanted to change them and challenge their status-co, their ego gets hurt and thats why they dont like dravid.
Dravid is the most talented, humble and a storng team man We have even seen in the last 10 years. He took the pain of keeping wickets also when Saurav and John wright asked him to do because he thoguht thats good for Indian Team. Remmebr howmany times, he stood like a wall between indian defeat. The best way to llok at his compare the 4th innings scores and averages of Dravid, Lakshman, Sachin and Saurav in the test matches. Dravid has the highest 4th innings average of 35 among 4 of them, lakshman comes next, Sachin next and Saurav last. The greatness of a players is evidnt when he scores an match saving innings or atleast prevent humiliating defeats and Dravid is one of them. so called Greats like Sachin, saurav or even Sunil gavaskar doesnt have a good 4th innings score because they never played well under pressue and saved the team from the defeat.If a team collpase on a 5th day 4th innins sachin/Saurav will be the first wicket to go with Dravid at the wicket struggling to build an innings. Howmany times we have seen this? Be frank.
RE:Blaming Dravid
by Rahul Roy on Apr 21, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Dravid is our all time great batsman by miles there is no question about that. But is not a great leader, a leader always stands by his team member and fight against others first then sort it out internally. Just like Imran or Sourav. Sourav always backed Yuvraj/ harbhjan aaianst the board for displinary actions. That's how he earned the respect of the players, even when he was not scoring and holding up a place in the team.
RE:Blaming Dravid
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 21, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
wt dravid did now? Did he talked anything against any player in the press? He always stood by the team and he himself took the full responsibility for the WC debacle. Did any other members (Other than Sachin) spoke in press accpeting the responsibility? I dont know wt he did wrong to take away from the captaincy. WC failure is a failure and its a team failure and its time to rebuild and look to the future.
Dravid still backs all of his team memebrs. thats why Sehwag was playing in WC even he is not in form. Harbhazan was choosen infront of Kumble because we ll know he has talent, but not delivering. He stood by vuthappa even if he is not scoring consistently because he beleives utappa has talent and its only matter of time Utappa gets experince and becomes more matured player.
Wt more you want? Does anybody saw dravid speaking any small word against players?
RE:Blaming Dravid
by Faceless Spirit on Apr 21, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
The Board the captain and the captain's fans all are stinking and farting in joy. The entire place is full of foul smell.
India will return loser from Bangla outing. The great captain shall silently pass three more farts in joy again.
Only new player is Manoj. He will not be given any chance to play and be dropped again. The scheme is such that they will call Tendulkar agin but won't give chance to Ganguly.
Farting captain is farting all over the places with his farting fans who write long eulogies on this joker Rahul.
Bare his back and cane him with an oil soaked cane stick 10000 times.
RE:Blaming Dravid
by Rahul Roy on Apr 21, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
What is Dravid's position in Greg Vs Sachin, Geeg Vs Sourav,. Even Greg made comments about Yuvraj, Sehwag ..Did he defend anyone publicly? Ever made a statement my players are the best ...that's how you grain trust from your team mates...Not by keeping silent and let them fight their own battle...you hv to be a father figure to be a leader ...
RE:Blaming Dravid
by harrycheema on Apr 22, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
Dear Upadrasta in world cup in both matches against Bangla Desh and Sri Lanka Dravid came to bat after Ganguli and had lot of time to play and stand between India and defeat.But he could not do anything.We did not see the wall anywhere.And did you not see the way he threw his wicket against Lanka and gifted the match to them.
