I am a unbiased fan of cricketer who support Ian and Greg Chappel for their comments. I have seen quite a few of your rmessages where u have blamed Greg for India's debacle. Also Ian too was a target for saying that Sachin is over the hill.
First let's discuss Sachin issue. Don't u fellow indians think that Sachin is past his prime? He never fires in important matches and most of the runs he has amassed has come against weaker oppositions and that too on the dusty tracks of the subcontinent which is next to nothing. That's the reason I suppose he always gets clean bowled whenever he faces good bowlers on good quality pitches and u call this talent... rubbish... If India with a population of 1 billion cannot produce 11 good players then I would better say stop playing cricket thereby preventing further ignominy to this beautiful game. The other players Ganguly, Sehwag, Dravid, etc etc are an awful lot and I don't feel it's even worth commenting on them. They r the dirt in cricketing world. But alas how will we Indians accept this fact. We have a tendency to make a demi god out of everyone as our nation of 1 billion hardly produces any good sportsmen and so we have a situation where we got to make do with whatever we have. See our results in any other games viz football, Olympics etc it's nauseating. I know I would receive lots of negative feedback for this but then I don't mind bcoz ur a coterie of people who just can't digest the truth and keep building castles in the air.
Now coming to Greg, I don't understand what's the heck going on? I would like to tell u one thing "You can take a horse to a pond but u cannot make it to drink the water." The coach can only go so far; it's upto the players to take up the responsibility and prove their mettle out on the field. Aussies never make such comments about coaches or facilities etc etc as they r a confident lot who know they can beat anyone and everyone on any given day. This sort of cribbing is done by only meek individuals who just cannot make it happen in any field, leave alone cricket. If Greg wants to experiment u call it as disturbing the balance of the team. What bloody shit balance this team has? I wish to know that first of all. In Australia a player is immediately removed if he does not perform over a period of time. In India even if a person is not performing for months still no one can question him if he has past records to support. What a bloody system is this. It sucks. Remember one thing. India has never been a potent force in international cricket and it will never be unless and until politics is separated from game. But again I repeat whatever is said will fall on deaf ears. Nothing's gonna change on the ground and all this is hot air.
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Sam Raj on Apr 03, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
Not sure boss what you were trying to say here, if the Horse was drinking even after taking it to the pond, which means the horse was not feeling the thirst, then why did you take it to the pond in the first place. Take those horses who are feeling thirst, once they fill their stomach%u2019s and can deliver it.
Also, if it is up to the players to perform then why do you need the coaches from foreign and why do need to pay them so much money, don't you think we were excepting something from these highly paid coaches. otherwise, I will ask my street dog to coach the team if it is up to the players to play and win.... where is all that management, captaincy, coaching crap gone then????
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Sukhoi on Apr 03, 2007 11:53 PM Permalink
>> if the Horse was drinking even after taking it >> to the pond, which means the horse was not >> feeling the thirst
Good point! That's what I have mentioned earlier - There should be Fire in the Belly!!
>> if it is up to the players to perform then >> why do you need the coaches from foreign and >> why do need to pay them so much money
You are seeing in a wrong angle (should I say patriotic?). Long term foreign coaches are very much needed for the sake of augmenting technique & quality.
Is that possible with an Indian Coach angle? I don't think so. Here are the examples:-
#1 Anju Bobby George #2 Sania Mirza
And, did you know how Anand attained the World #1 height? He always play with Seconds (foreigners)
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Subhasish Ghosh on Apr 04, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
Am not sure if you have your ducks in a row, dude! All the payers who went to WC were in form except Sehwag and Pathan. They put up a good show in all departments till about the warm up matches. So how does your adage on horses fit here?
If you follow Chappel's coaching story, you will realize, he came in here more as a revolutionary trying to 'change the world'. Often his hype overshadowed his acehveiments in coaching. Creditably he did have a brief sucess with an innovative concept of a 'versatile' team. Pathan, Raina, Kaif and likes were his beacons of hope. But sadly his plans backfired when the opponent teams started sorting these 'surprise packages' out! And I am still at odds to beleive that a person like Chappel had no plan B. He continued to hold to the plans trying to find a way out with what is popular as 'experiments' trying to look for options to fit his scheme of things. There is no denying the toll it took on some key players. After all it as an objective game not a circus.
You were pretty harsh on our teams' capabilities. I doubt how well you can keep a ball in two hands let alone play cricket, but you sure are farfetched in your decision to judge players. Leave the judgement to the pros please.
As a fan you may have view of how they played on a given day, but the Indian team that went was the best that could have got there. What caused the failure is still a mystery. But what Greg has started, post debacle, is both infuriating and disgusting and speaks of a bottom dweller mind frame . I do not know your basis of high esteem for Aussies in general, but this is both unprofessional and hurts Indian cricket to an extent that has never happened before. And as an Indian I think I would bemmore worried about my nation's esteem than how an Aussie feels about it. A coach who leaks mails, discusses dressing room politics in public, criticizes players PERSONALLY, uses his finger to express his feeling to the people, sure cannot have the best in mind for Indian cricket.
The assessment of Indian players and what caused the failure may be a seperate story, but this man is best left amongst Kangaroos.
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Savio J on Apr 04, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
Subhasish and Sudhir -
Without getting personal, I would say that we Indians defend our idols to the point of stupidity! If you were to detach yourself as a cricket fan/lover and objectively look at Sachin, Sehwag and Ganguly as just sportsman playing the national sport then by all measures they are sub-par and deserve to be dropped. Unfortunately we are a nation that has been raised to worship these stars, and stars they surely were when they performed. But at this juncture they are past their prime, their confidence (appears) low and unless the spectators don't attest to this fact, the media and the selectors will keep them in.
>>Anupama Singh said >>SO LET THE LITTLE MASTER DECIDE WHEN HE THINKS TO HANG UP HIS BOOTS!!!
If this is a merit based selection process then Sachin%u2019s clout in the committee should not be the deciding factor of his existence in the team! We give our heroes this imperialistic freedom to do as they choose and are shocked when such a catastrophe happens!! Now we are looking for fall guys at every level and if Chappell is the problem then get rid of him and bring in an Indian coach like Amarnath. But would that automatically resolve the root cause of the problem - our lack of fitness, our ageing players who get more clumsy with each series, our corrupt selectors and last but not the least, the media and ad agencies who try to milk these players until the last drop regardless of their talent being washed out ages ago?? Our cricket is no better than our Bollywood - all style, little substance!!
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by Subhasish Ghosh on Apr 04, 2007 07:10 PM Permalink
Savio Appreciate your advice. I have tried to abstain from a passionate response or atleast that is my intent. But the post I was responding to is more of "You Indians dont know what you are doing" types smelling of an NRI ( I am one myself and that smell is one too familiar). His uncondinitional devout of Aussies and univocal rebuke of Indian players who actually slog and made a mark in the game to rise passions with us is unacceptable to me. I pride my country and accept failures, but dont demolish acheivements because they failed or go about rebuking people in general.
I am not debate the fact that the key players underperformed and deserve to be sacked if necessary. However I do not think taking a cue from Aussie or anybody else is necessary to comprehend that.
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Subhasish Ghosh on Apr 04, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
"Ducks in a row" means well organized. I was alluding to Sudhir Iyer's use of the saying "You can take a horse to a pond but u cannot make it to drink the water."
My sentence meant, that his evaluation was not measured with facts.
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by Dharmapad Mishra on Apr 04, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
To an extent you are right dude. But let's stop blaming players only. The coach's also reposible if not equally. I do accept the fact that Greg was an awesome cricketer in his days but not every cricketer can be equally good in every aspect of the game.If it's true then Tendulkar would have been the best captain of India; and we all know that it's not even close to correct.But honestly, we can't say that we had a shity composition when it comes to a team. Australia could be an exception coz they are mentally tough. Believe you me, composition is one thing and mental toughness is another. We lose matches coz we are not taught the mental part of the game. Our players pump in the gym and play basket-ball etc. during the training, which is good.But it was always Greg's job to spend time and focus more on the mind-frame game rather building visibly sullen physique of our players. Pick any player and please let me know one thing for real: "Do they actually look like a sportmen". They resemble models and they are good at acting, I recon. Anyway, good luck guys and hope a lot of things 'said & unsaid' happen for them. Paddy
RE:Ian Chappel was right
by anupama singh on Apr 04, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
TO MUCH WRITTEN ABOUT SACHIN THAT HE SHOULD RETIRE.I TOTALLY DISAGREE AS HE STILL HAS 3-4YEARS OF CRICKET LEFT IN HIM.WHO THE HELL IS THAT IAN AND ATHERTON TO DECIDE ABOUT THE GREAT SACHIN. AS THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT FAME AND MONEY AS THE REASON THAT HE IS PLAYING CRICKET FOR INDIA.FOR THERE MEMORY THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT SACHIN HAS 100 TIMES MORE MONEY THAN IAN CHAPPEL AND 10 TIMES BETTER RECORD THAN BOTH OF THEM. SO LET THE LITTLE MASTER DECIDE WHEN HE THINKS TO HANG UP HIS BOOTS!!! AT LAST ABOUT RECORDS MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT HIM THAT WHENEVER SACHIN SCORES CENTURY INDIA LOOSES!!!!!FOR THERE INFORMATION.... 29 CENTURY SCORED BY HIM INDIA HAS WON,AND JUST LOST 11 MATCHES WHEN HE HAD SCORED 100....PLUS SACHIN AVERAGES 75 RUNS IN FINALS IN WHICH INDIA HAD WON,AND OVERALL HE HAS A AVERAGE OF 48RUNS IN FINALS IN WHICH INDIA HAD PLAYED. SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO RAISES FINGER AGAINST THIS GREAT MAN,PLZ READ HIS STATS FIRST. delete
