Greg Chappell tried to fix this broken culture but didn't know that the plague which Indian mindset is filled with cannot be cured in 1-2 years. Truths hurts most of the time and we Indian do not like it. This is one of the worst day in Indian cricket where a person who speaks truth have been made to resign. Gregg Paid the price for trying to remove the dirt, being straight and calling spade a spade.
Gregg probably didn't know that this is the country where people celebrate Dewali on destroying Babri Maszid, do not let Sonia Gandhi become prime minister after winning the election by playing emotional cards of false patriotism to cash on sentiments of the country , make Khusbhu apologizes for talking on pre-marital on the name of Indian culture & behind doors do the same, where no-one comes as a witness when professor Sabbarwal was murdered in view of 400 public, where CBI protects the biggest gambler of Indian cricket Kapil and Azharudin on match-fixing, where Jagmohan Dalmiya leaks the email and Media & we Indians blame it on coach, where politician still cash on increasing reservation even after 60 years of independence, where people still believe in astrology , fate and magic more than themselves to blame luck for failing in life and where people feel happy by seeing someone else being humiliated.
Truth is always bitter. The current crisis in the Indian team is just because of the fact that the dirt has always been swept under the carpet. All this blame game and accusations was an attempt to divert the anger of whole nation and I am amazed to see how our incompetent players are blaming it on the coach. We have never had a good team in the first place and didn't perform well on the field outside our country. Seniors players are still in the team on the basis of past glory. Since Sep 2005 Sachin averages 14.09 in 11 one-day matches, Sehwag averages 27.44 in 10 one-day matches against Australia and South Africa. Only gods knows how long Harbhajan will go wicketless and still lives on the miracle of 2001 against Australia. Agarkar, no-one know why is he consistently in the team. Ganguly name has now become a synonym of dirt and his return to India team was a blunder. How many times these so-called super-starts played well against AUS, SF, NZ and ENG?.
How cowardice was it from Sachin to come out in Media and create the sas-bahu kinda emotional drama to divert his and team failure attention. Didn't he has enough courage to speak earlier?. No doubt he failed as a captain and on more than one occasion. I ask where is the performance?. Don't these so called super stars of indian cricket believe in themselves and their capabilities?. Fear of failure and security comes only when you either do not have talent or don't believe in urself and reach a position which you don't deserve. If you are good enough, you will automatically come back if you are dropped.
Same team was happy about the experiments Greg did earlier and never raised any issues why?. Isn't it true that when the team did well by experimentation everybody went gaga over Gregg's tactics, but with every loss and the same tactics were thrashed. No questions where asked and no tactic were questioned when we won continuous 17 one-day matches, first time in cricket history we won a test match in South Africa and we won a series in west Indies after 35 years.
Gregg was a perfectionist and always played to win. He wanted to build an indian team who believe in themselves and do not fear of anyone. He needed a new blood for that as old minds are always sick and tired as you can see now but unfortunately new blood also didn't live up to the expectation and he had to become the scapegoat of another typical plagued indian culture.
Thank Gregg, you have been a true leader and showed the Indian cricket and players the mirror. You have done what Jhon Wright couldn't do for 4 years and other coaches which we anyways didn't except to do anything new. Only after coming you Indians board realized that selections should be on performance basis. Thanks for being the first person to expose the so called demi gods of cricket, selectors and BCCI and making everyone being awake all the time. You have taught us what is good and what is not and where do we need to go from here now. You will be remebered the first person to break the rule as Gibbs will always be remembered being the first person to hit 6 sixes in an over no-matter who breaks the record now.
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by sohail fx on Apr 05, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
i m completely agree with you. i dont understand, how chappel is responsible. why cant indians admit, indian cricket team performance was wrost on the ground. if sachin and shewag got out on ZERO. how come chappel responsible for that. its so pathetic... players couldnt stand on the ground and blame goes to audiance..
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by abby Das on Apr 05, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Dear Sohail No one blamed Chapell for the pathetic performance of the palyers on the ground.But that doesn't mean we cann't blame him from saying outragious things.He once said Gagnuly playes for Money.Now he said "Mafia" about all the senior players.He showed his finger to the audience of Eden gardenns.We the indians have a habit of licking the back of any white skinned and we oppose anyone who blames a white skinned. It is him who is entirely resposnsible to paralyse the indian Team.When all the other teams have a set team 3-4 months before the WC we were still experimenting.Don't you think this was enough to blame him?Can you show any team which is not depending on the senior and experienced players?This man(i don't know whould I tearm him man any more)broke all the confidence for the junior players and made the senior players play jjst to keep their own place in the team.
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by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Apr 05, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
I think there is a certain mean devious streak in Chappell. Whenever something went wrong, he used leaks to blame others. There was the leaked email which ousted Ganguly. Then the manager's report after the South Africa tour about Sehwag. Immediately after the World Cup, it was leaked that he did not get the team he wanted. And now this about a mafia/coterie of senior players. Each of these leaks either helped Chappell get what he wanted or an alibi for failure. He cleverly stayed behind the scenes. And if people still say he is a straightforward guy, I doubt their sanity. Obviously Tendulkar had to react. Nobody would like being called a gangster. However, the bottomline was that the performance of the Indian team was appaling.
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by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 06, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
Mr. Balaji Krishnamurthy , did you heard chappel saying mafia about senior players directly anywhere? Have you seen his Interview any where? Have you seen his reports to BCCI? Why do you and Sachin bother about some non-sense reports in the Media? Why do you want to respond about such reports? See the report of Greg to BCCI first, and if you see something wrong in it , discuss it in the meeting. Dont you think this is an emotinal drama saying I did a lot to my country in my 17 years and so on? Yes, yuo did a lot in the past. Wt we need is consistenncy.
at least Greg has taken the decision to quit,and has taken responsibility.will sachin retire or get dropped from the team?or will he just keep on saying sorry we didnt perform. If I as a doctor tell the patients relatives sorry I didnt perform ,will I be eligible to hold on to my job as a doctor? Same with any job.
Please dont think i am running after you. I totally disagree with you. BCCI contains hell a lot of people - brilliant crciketers and talennted managers to look for the benefit if indian cricket( Ofcourse this is hardly true). So many ex senior cricketers have been watching how Greg is doing all these days. As said by you if it is totally absurd for us to experiment 4 or 5 months before WC - why none of them have complained about this? Why are you saying this now? why havent u mentioned this at that time. No one did - because we are winning at that time. Since we are losing now you are raising some points which are irrelevant now. Never ever greg asked sachin, sehwag, dravid, dhoni, harchajan and yuvi not to play in the world cup so ur point that he paralysed the indian team has no support. I am still saying the problem with the indian team is the players. As long as we have players like them we would never win the world cup. This is continuing since 1996 and it would continue to happen the same unless we have coaches like greg working for indian team for a long time because it is people like greg who can point straight at your weak points in your play and attitude.
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by abby Das on Apr 06, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Dear Gottam Firstly,this point of experimentation has been raised long back from the early times of 2006.Kapil Drv,Gavaskar have repeatedly said about this over experimentation.So you cannot say this has not been reported earlier.The problem was BCCI shoed a deaf ear to this due to some ununderstandable reasons.You may not be aware of these complaints but almost all media covered those complaints.Even the team was winning,there were complaints about over experimentation. Your second point...well Greg did not want Shewag in the team(This was also flashed in the media) and he was forcibly included in the team.And you are saying "As lonmg as players like them are in the team we can never win WC".Well,out of the present team almost 8 - 9 players were there in the team which went in the finals of 2003 WC.We were very lose winnnig the WC.So what suddenly happened that these players cann't win the WC?
The problem is people sometimes get hypnotised by the charisma of these coaches.POinting straight at waek points is a different thing and pointing middle fingers to the audience of eden gardens when lost due to wrong strategy is a differeent thing.John wright never had to point his finger to the general mass and never had to insult the MLA's because he is not basically a dirty minded person like Greg.
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by Rahul Roy on Apr 06, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
DEAR Rishab,
I found u blamed another person of posting the same mesg in diff places. Could u pls tell me how many places u posted this mesg?
Don't bring politics into cricket? Tell me why Sonia Gandhi was chosen as head of congess in the first place? what she know about India? give me a example where a foreign national is has become a president or prime minister in any other country? Could you see an Indian as an Italian Prime Minister in next 100 years? How many years you spent outside India? R U INDIAN??????????
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by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 06, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Mr. Das, did you heard chappel saying mafia about senior players directly anywhere? Have you seen his Interview any where? Have you seen his reports to BCCI? Why do you and Sachin bother about some non-sense reports in the Media? Why do you want to respond about such reports? See the report of Greg to BCCI first, and if you see something wrong in it , discuss it in the meeting. Dont you think this is an emotinal drama saying I did a lot to my country in my 17 years and so on? Yes, yuo did a lot in the past. Wt we need is consistenncy.
at least Greg has taken the decision to quit,and has taken responsibility.will sachin retire or get dropped from the team?or will he just keep on saying sorry we didnt perform. If I as a doctor tell the patients relatives sorry I didnt perform ,will I be eligible to hold on to my job as a doctor? Same with any job.
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by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 06, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Mr. Das , did you heard chappel saying mafia about senior players directly anywhere? Have you seen his Interview any where? Have you seen his reports to BCCI? Why do you and Sachin bother about some non-sense reports in the Media? Why do you want to respond about such reports? See the report of Greg to BCCI first, and if you see something wrong in it , discuss it in the meeting. Dont you think this is an emotinal drama saying I did a lot to my country in my 17 years and so on? Yes, yuo did a lot in the past. Wt we need is consistenncy.
at least Greg has taken the decision to quit,and has taken responsibility.will sachin retire or get dropped from the team?or will he just keep on saying sorry we didnt perform. If I as a doctor tell the patients relatives sorry I didnt perform ,will I be eligible to hold on to my job as a doctor? Same with any job.
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by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 05, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
The most unfortunate thing about the players of subcontinent is that they never want to leave. They are usually kicked out after many bad performances or they retire with disgrace. Kapil did the same. He was playing only to beat the World Record for the last part of his cricketing game and Srinath who is a youngsters was never given a chance and Kapil played for 2 years only for World Record.
Players like Kumble, Tendulkar, Ganguly should have retired atleast two years ago when they were on a high note. I think the selectors should select on performances rather than PAST performances. If Tendulkar is not performing, sit him out so he finds that hunger in him to do well enough to play. Players are taking their spots for granted. This is a tragedy of subcontinent players. Greg or any other foreign coach wont understand Desi mentality, thats whay they failed and bound to fail. :)
No coach can help Indian cricket now until the mentality of the players and BCCI itself wont change. John Wright faced a lot of humiliating situations, but exited with grace. Sehwag slapped Right on his face when John asked him to concentrate more on his fitness and you are not playing well. Now Greg has shown his way for asking senior players to concentrate on the game rather than other issues. As long as indian cricketers come out of a situation where they thinks themselves as gods, no person even god cannot help them. But the unfortunate part now is nobody listens to the issues raised by Greg, they only listens to what sachin said. now this became a personality fight rather than issue based analysis and solutions to the probelms.
Sachin is crying no coach has questoned his attitude. We know how he is playing in the last 3 years and we know how some of the senior players like Saurav, Sehwag, Yuvi, Harbhazan are playing and behaving these days.
Tendulkar has spoken by name but note how he talks only of his reputation being affronted by Chappell's comment on his attitude. 'No coach has ever reported even in passing that my attitude was not correct', he says.
Well, well, well. Didn't Tendulkar plainly sulk on our last tour of Pakistan when Rahul Dravid declared the team's innings closed even as Tendulkar was just a few runs short of another double century? Didn't he tell the media that he was surprised at the timing of Dravid's declaration? Wasn't that 'attitude'?
Was it correct? If coach John Wright didn't write about in his tour report that may well because he's too much of a gentleman. Or he may well have reported it but the dossier was overlooked because we won the series.
Again, this season before the World Cup, when Chappell had made it clear that Tendulkar would bat in the middle order so that he could hold the innings together for the full 50 overs, Tendulkar did not hesitate to tell the media that he preferred to bat as an opener. Was that 'attitude' correct?
Even god cannot help this Indian Cricket team. Even Chappel sent a report in October 2006 rasing a lot of issues and warning BCCI about a major crisis in the World Cup if we dont take enough measures. BCCI didnt bother about that report at all. Now entire nation paid for the debacles we faced. We Indians always have an attitude problem when somebody say you r wrong and change the way you behave. We wanted to behave in the way we want and still wanted to be World Champions. thats not going to happen. See how Newzeland is playing, there is not even a STAR player in ther team, but they play as a team and work hard and succed. thats the attitude Indian should learn. We show doors to guys who wanted to change us. We do not want to change and blames others who tries to change us.
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by abby Das on Apr 05, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
Dear Upad U have raised alot of queations.I would like to answer a few of them 1.Rahul's declearation and sachin's not liking it. well,it is expected from a captain to be a team man and let others complete the double century if the declareation is not that urgent.Rahul did a wrong thing during that time.Now if someone says about something wrong in high voice is that "attitude Problem"?How can you compare this incident with Chapel saying cricketers 'mafia" without any proof?
2.When asked to bat in the middle order- well,in his long career,sachin made most of his runs as opener.Was he too wrong when he wanted to open?and if he is forced to do somehting he doesn't want,why cann't he express that to the media or public?after all these players play for the public and the public has every right to know everything.
This Chapell is nothing but a lunatic person and needs ppsycriatic helps.
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by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Apr 06, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
if sachin wanted to whaever he wanted to do and dont bother about the team's needs, why did he considered as god of indian cricket. A player, especially a senior player should care about the team's needs rather than his own individual likings.
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by gottam reddy on Apr 05, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
Abbas...Your analysis was miscalculated.
1. Regd Rahul's declaration - You were correct that the captain should be a team man. But when you say a team it doesnot infer that he has to look for the benefit of the players. The match is being played against pakistan under pressure and we should not show even the slightest of complacency, which sachin did at that time. He has been given enough time to complete it. And he was not able to do it. He is responsible for that.
2. Batting in the middle order - what the hell is sachin doing by reporting this to the media. If he has anything to say about his position in the team, the best people to be reported are the selection commitee, coach, team management and the captain. Why is he addressing these issues to the media. Everyone is shouting when the coach is reporting anything to the media but what were we doing? What is sachin doing? What is sehwag doing? what is ganguly doing? what is dalmiya doing? Come on man!!! We are educated and i think we have the minimum sense to distinguish what is right and what is wrong!!
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by stanny jd on Apr 10, 2007 08:08 AM Permalink
Hi Upadrasta, I fully agree with you and Gottam Reddy and wud request Abby Das to think again and try and analyse the actual facts and motivation of each person. I have a few questions for Abby das , which he can ponder on 1..Why wud Chapell be so insistent on Good fielding and be in favour of players like Raina, pathan, sreesanth, Dravid (who are nobody to Chapelle or related to him) 2.. Why wud Chapell go against Ganguly within 2 months of being appointed as coach (infact Ganguly was one of the player who recommended Chapell as coach) 3.. Why wud Chappell work so hard on fitness of the so called senior players and try to change their mental attitude to fielding? 4.. Why did Chappell introduce so many different types of mind strenthening and innovative programs to help the Indian team?? 5.. Why did Tendulkar take so long to reach his milestone in Pakistan , if he is a teamman?? 6.. Was tendulkar's double century more important than winning against Pakistan?? 7.. Why did Tendulkar play against a STUPID 3rd division team in England to get back in SOCALLED FORM ? Why didnt he play against a ranji team in our country?? 8.. How many times in the last 3-4 years has Tendulkar actually played and rescued INDIA when INDIA actually neede him to play?? 9..Dont u think that all the time that this pseudo Great of Indian Cricket Mr. Sachin Tendulkar has actually played and made centuries for the past 3-4 years only when all the other players in the side also have played well and got centuries HA HA ? 10.. Why is Ganguly not supporting Rahul Dravid with his attitude, batting and intelligence , just the way Rahul Dravid supported Ganguly when Ganguly was captain? (infact most of ganguly's success as captain , is because of some of the best innings played by Dravid in crunch situations!!) 11. Why do we all indulge in blaming an outsider who tried to help us and genralize other foreign invaders intentions, when our own people play regional games instead of being united and playing for our COUNTRY'S PRIDE? 12. WHY DO WE NEED TENDULKAR, GANGULY, SEHWAG, HARBHAJAN, ZAHEER, AGARKAR AND ALSO YUVRAJ TO PLAY IN THE SERIES WITH BANGLADESH??
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by ashok kp on Apr 06, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
i agree with you buddy. if i remember correctly, sachin hasnt contributed in a final saince the 1998 coca cola cup in sharjah. failinig in one or two matches might be ok but this horrendous run for nine years will be completely forgotten . where is the accountability? recently in southafrica, in the lkastr test match, sachin p[ottered around for two hours, without scoring and finally got out in a bizarre fashion. if he could have contributed a fifty plus score, we would have definitely won a seriers in southafrica. alas, that was not to be. everybody forgets and moves on. then thenext series comes and we will throng our stadiums waiting for them to perform miracles... it is so stupid erxpecvting anything from these selfish cricketers....
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by ABHISHEK VERMA on Apr 08, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
are bacche , itna lamba analyses, you are too confused. take any organisation ,need is for ganguly like people who are born leaders, not like sharad,kiran,shah,greg.
think ,be precise and then comment. else keep quiet.
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by mohini on Apr 10, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
yes all are bacchas when we hav parent lihe u cant have an objective analysis of the game our heros like ganguly play for themselves it can be seen on his face. chappel has told the truth and we find it hard to digest.person like u shoud be drowned in chullu bar pani me, it is u who is confused
