stop condemning
by Alok tripathi on Feb 19, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink | Hide replies

plz stop condemning ,take some action in order to avoid such incident in future.

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RE:stop condemning
by ganesh kulkarni on Feb 20, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
Dear Alok tripathi, balasa gupta, surajit sarkar

Think! Why such incidencts are happening all over the world exception is Gujarat. Since godhra nothing like this happened in Gujarat except Akshardham. People there wisely stopped condemning terrorism and took action, which stop this MADNESS successfully? Why Gujarat happened and what is the result of Godhra aftermath? Security of society is responsibility of police and law machinery ofcourse But when society in general and leaders in particular are nurturing terrorism by their ignorance and apeasing policies police are toothless lions to prevent such happening. That brings blame on people themselves who keep quiet who quietly listen and tolerate condemning of Modi, Gujarat police, and allow defenders of afzal guru (Arundhati Roy likes) to roam freely and respectfully. Those people who who allow condemnation of their own defenders deserve such incidents. Police are doing all posible for them. What we can do? Ordinery people must give moral support to police force by condemning people like Arundhati and by defeating anyone who play in the hands of fanatic despotic mullahs. Gujarat people did that. As Alok expect, Gujarati people already stopped condemning and acted. what about you?

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RE:RE:stop condemning
by Tabrez on Feb 21, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Ya... true...

Gujaratis are very nice... They will chant Jai Shri Ram and proceed to tear the womb of a Muslim pregnant woman and pull the embryo out with the tip of the sword. The embryo is brandished hanging from the sword. A resounding cheer of Jai Shri Ram!... Hmm.. peace loving!!! Dont believe me, watch "The final solution" on Google video..

Yes.. thats right... Search "The final solution" on Google video over the Internet and you would see the bloody reality of the Gujaratis..

If you really have the guts to watch the complete video, you will then realize that the stupid Muslim and other extremists and terrorists around the world are nothing in front of Gujaratis, when it comes to inhuman acts...

And yes, Godhra has been PROVED to be a conspiracy.. If only you have the brain and guts to believe practical evidence..

Just make sure you dont show the video (THE FINAL SOLUTION) to your kids... They will stop calling themselves Hindus or Gujaratis...

Believe me, if no one else, Ramji is certainly proud of Gujaratis now..

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RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by abdulsattar shaikh on Feb 23, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Dear Tabrez,

What bothers me is your appraoch. There are lots of Hindu

people comdemning RSS or likes of them here and they

stricty avoid condemning violence perpetrated by Mulsims

in there messeges. Atleast that is evidence of Hindu

tolerance I believe. How many Muslim comments do that? It

seems Muslim writers condemn Islamic terror only when

they want to accuse Hindu organizations. Is that proof of

honesty? Read carefully comments from Muslims on

messege board and you will see that plain truth. That is

more dangerous than real Islamic terrorists. These

commentators hide behind secualarism while accusing

Hindu organization and Jihadis hide behind such

apologists. That is making all peace loving majority poor

Muslim community suspect and vulnerable all over the

world.

Why dont we go beyond this local happenings and look at

world? Accusing Hindu Organizations by seculars and we

Muslims is becoming stereotype now. There are no such

orgnizations in Iraq, Baluchistan, Chechanya, France, UK,

Philipines, Afganistan to blame. Jihadi Terrorism has

become world phenomina. And as long as we Muslims are

hiding behind this blamegame we are inviting wrath of all

non muslims slowly but surely. I know while reading this

messege someone here will accuse me of being non

muslim or agent of RSS. But before or after accusng me, I

request such accuser and all, to read carefully what

learned intelectual Arab Muslim journalist Abdel Rahman

al-Rashed has to say about all this. He is sure not agent of

RSS or a Hindu despot, but leading Muslim freethinker.

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is general manager of Al-Arabiya

news channel. This article first appeared in the

London-based pan-Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.

After 9/11 he wrote this article titled "A Wake-up Call :

Almost all terrorists are Muslims". Does Anyone from

socalled champions of free thought journalism in India has

such courage to write or speak truth so loudly? In

middleast there is very little freedom of expression but

Rashed has courage to speak out truth. He risked his life to

wake us Muslims up. But do we Muslims have that little

courage to wake up and face the truth? Here is link for

those accusers or anyone who wants to see and search

truth.

http://www.arabnews.com/9-11/?article=32&part

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RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Amit Bajpai on Feb 21, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
Tabrez Bhai, you are double standard person, at one side you say that all Hindus are not extremist and the otherside you blame the entire community, if some incident happened in Gujrat by few persons that can not be ideology for the entire community. Can you name any place of india where we organise camps to train hindu terrorists, are we doing blood sheds in Kashmir, London, USA, Pakistan, Iraq, Afganistan...... Come to reality and start teaching and preaching % of those people in your society who needs to be cured as they are mentally sick.

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RE:RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Tabrez on Feb 21, 2007 05:08 PM Permalink
Sorry bhai.. It was never my intention to blame the entire Hindu community.. Maybe I got too emotional in writing my message and forgot to double check before I posted it...

I honestly admit that there are certainly some bad elements in Muslim community and they need to be corrected.. And unfortunately, they get carried away by emotional speeches given by some misguiding leaders and do atrocious stuff.. May the Almighty guide them towards righteousness..

My only intention in writing the above message was to say that there are bad elements in every community and we all need to get rid of those black spots. Also, before throwing allegations over anything, we have to look at the root causes and check why these people are behaving like maniacs, I mean Iraq, Kashmir etc. What's making them do these violent stuff... Islam certainly doesn't allow them doing it.. Its just that they have hijacked our beautiful religion and then the blame falls on the whole community...

Hope you understand. Thanks.

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RE:RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Tabrez on Feb 21, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
And ya, since you asked.. we all know that RSS, VHP and Bajrang dal train their cadets with various kind of ammunition... Why??

Are they gonna replace our border security force... The stuff they are learning will certainly be used in anti-social behaviour and Gujarat, Gorakhpur are only a few examples.

Otherwise, how would you be able to justify that more Muslims gets killed during riots then Hindus...

Again, I dont support any community that supports violence... Both Islam and Hinduism forbids violence, unless for self-defence.

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by DHARMENDRA CHAUHAN on Feb 22, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
then mr.tabrez,
what about use of AK-47 by jihadis in Aligarh and Lucknow,these were certainly not supplied by V.H.P. or etc.

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RE:stop condemning
by balasa gupta on Feb 19, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
My frined, There are a no of attacks averted by the Police and IB. Dont we see in the news that some ISI agent being caught somewhere in the country almost every week......just imagine had they all been successful in their mission then this country would have been in chaotic situation. Forget not those offcials who bust the identitiy of hte ISI agents from time to time and we must wish them. when developed countries like USA,UK and Spain fail to prevent the attacks completely, we do not deter and blame our security personnel...those poor chaps deserve something from us....
At the same time, what the hell these moslems want aah? They seems to be born just to create problems wherever they are....i will pray the god for the day to be dawn quick when these moslems become more human....

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RE:RE:stop condemning
by surajit sarkar on Feb 20, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
you are very right. i agree with you.

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RE:RE:stop condemning
by stephen raj on Feb 20, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
For every incident ISI is pointed out. Why can't it be from some Hindu extream groups? we cant rule out the possibilities. This is also not the right time to blame one another instead of uniting all irrespective of religions and nationalities. Lets pray for the victims and condemn the cowerd perpetuaters of violence.

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by joen jenson on Feb 22, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
what do u mean amit. india only for Hindus. tell me first . if so who are u to say like that

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RE:RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Tabrez on Feb 21, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Read this!!!

"how many times you have heard hindu extremist groups killing people by making blasts..... peace loving communitiy"...

Well said dude... I wont give you any illogical reason or proofs... Watch with your own eyes, how peace-loving Hindus are??? Search "The final solution" on Google video and you would see the bloody reality...

And ya.. you wont just kill people by blasts... You will chant Jai Shri Ram and proceed to tear the womb of a pregnant woman and pull the embryo out with the tip of the sword. The embryo is brandished hanging from the sword. A resounding cheer of Jai Shri Ram!... Hmm.. peace loving!!! Dont believe me, watch "The final solution" on Google video..

If you really have the guts to watch the complete video, you will then realize that the stupid Muslim extremists are nothing in front of people like you, when it comes to inhuman acts...

(This message is not directed at peace-loving Hindu brothers... Its only directed at people who point fingers at "every" Muslim when a violent act is done by a tiny group of Muslim people...) What I want to convey is bad elements are everywhere, not just in Muslim community.. BUT I WOULD STILL ADVICE ALL OF YOU TO WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY "THE FINAL SOLUTION".. Please dont let your children watch it..

And yes, Mr. Bajpai.. mind you.. this is not a Hindu country.. India is a secular and multi-culture and multi-ethnic country... And we all are proud of that, except for disgusting people like you..

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by Amit Bajpai on Feb 21, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
Hummmm Now I saw the Documentary "The Final Solution" a so called secular Hindu made this documentary, half truth, Why they forget Godhra, Kashmiri Pandits who are living on the edges, Blasts in Delhi during Deepawali, Mumbai Bomb Blasts and ..... You have been killing us for the past 1000 years and if happened once with you (I don't support this) you are crying. What ever happened in Samjhauta Express is going to come out as your government is in Centre, Haryana and Punjab (UPA). I am sure none of my Hindu peace loving people will do this or support this. I condemn this act, may god give them courage to bear the losses.

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by Amit Bajpai on Feb 21, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
You can write this and still are proud citizen of India this is what Hinduism that is what I mean to write. I know you are also Hindu as I don't mean religion I mean ideology whereever peace loving person resides they all are hindus.

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by Pradip Tank on Feb 21, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
I wish Google site also has the video of THE GOGHRA TRAIN KILLINGS & KILLINGS OF THE KASHMIRI PANDITS.Why the media is always,always 1 sided,is it some kind of fear or is it some kind of greed for petro dollars.Bad elements r everywhere,but somehow hiding the actions of 1 particular community is how much fair?

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RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Pradip Tank on Feb 21, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
Hindu extremist group?Man,u r really too much,rightly said by Amit Kumar Bajpai that u r able 2 say such thing boldly 'cause u live in a Hindu Country.Imagine yourself saying something like that about Muslims in a Islamic country,I guess in that case u would have written messages from up above.
Dude have some sense gefore u write anything loke that.Also cosider coming back 2 Hinduism.

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RE:RE:RE:RE:stop condemning
by Tabrez on Feb 21, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
I was a born Muslim dude... The first man on the face of this earth, Adam (peace be upon him) was a Muslim too... And since he followed the One Supreme God and the same with me, it makes us both Muslims... Where does the question of coming back arise??

Its only people who have started taking false dieties and making up stories, who need to come back to reality...

I am not opposed to Hinduism.. since Hinduism itself says, "Na Tasya Pratima Asthi" (Yajudveda) i.e. There is no image of God... And there are many verses in Vedas, which talks about believing in the One Supreme God only.. If only people like you could read Vedas and understand your religion, rather than wasting your time on these message boards and throwing false allegations against Islam... Anyway, Hinduism is a good religion too, but people have corrupted it with their views...

I will say anything against Hindus on their face... Its just that they need to have the guts to digest the reality that I am uttering...

No offence to fair Hindu brothers... And also, let me insist.. India is a secular and multi-cultural country.. It is not an Hindu country.. Got it???

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