RE:islam the face of terror
by Fun Lover on Dec 24, 2007 02:48 AM Permalink
Excuse me sir, I agree that Islamic doctrine is violent but are you forgetting the negative aspects of Hinduism?
RE:RE:islam the face of terror
by on Dec 24, 2007 03:02 AM Permalink
oh boy here we go again..mr preachy weeachy always trying to be fair..u r not fun lover but party pooper..atleast there is no doctrine in hinduism which says to not tolerate others..instead of getting influenced by trashy jnu or western take on hinduism, go get some proper education on what hinduism is-start with logic of spirituality from swami chinmayananda for starters mr confused
RE:RE:RE:islam the face of terror
by Fun Lover on Dec 24, 2007 03:16 AM Permalink
Dude or Maam, I don't know why you think I am preachy, but at least I am not preaching hatred unlike most other posts. Coming to your point -
I am not influenced by JNU or western views. I have read Hindu texts like Manusmriti which denigrates certain sections of people to sub-human levels. I know how some (though not all) Hindus treat their women. I have seen how widowhood is looked down upon by some Hindus. I have known of clashes on the basis of caste where serious atrocities have been perpetrated. If I go into the realm of Hindu spiritualism, chances are, that I will encounter some of the loftiest philosophical ideas like Advaita Vedanta or Patanjali Yoga. However, I am not talking about the spiritual issues here. I am talking about social issues.
RE:islam the face of terror
by sri vellur on Dec 24, 2007 03:37 AM Permalink
fun lover dude..like i said u have all ur facts wrong- natural if u read max mueller or the modern interpretation of hinduism by macmillan and filth like that..if u read rig veda it will look like it is talking in riddles..similar to a complex math formula to the layman..to understand the correct meaning u have to go to a teacher and learn so u dont misunderstand it..read devi chand's yajur/rig/sama veda etc where he explains the modern distortion by westerners of hinduism beautifully..hinduism talks about sarvam kalvidam brahma - all this indeed is brahman - that is god resides in all- in that case where is superiority/inferiority/caste...these are distortions falsely blamed on hinduism due to half baked knowledge or deliberate falsifications to denigrate hinduism - so pls get ur facts right before talking..sri
RE:islam the face of terror
by Fun Lover on Dec 24, 2007 04:12 AM Permalink
I never read any book written by Max Mueller. And I don't even know who this guy Macmillan is. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Also, I never accused Rig Veda of being casteist. Some of the vedic mantra-s are actually very pleasant to hear, when they are sung properly. And yes, I have read the sarvam khalvidam brahma and the other mahaa-vaakyas in the upanishads. But I was never referring to these things when I talked about problems in Hinduism. I was talking about the Manusmriti and some other dharma-shastras which explicitly preach casteism of a very disgusting kind. I was talking about the social realities in India like issues related to women, castes etc. I have not claimed anything which Hinduism or some of its texts don't propagate. Please note that while the vedas or upanishads are very important to Hinduism, a lot of other texts like the dharma-shastras etc. have also been a part of Hinduism. You can't simply say that just because an upanishad says that everything is brahman (god), Hinduism has no problematic issues like caste etc. You are confining yourself to the realm of spiritualism, while I am concentrating on the social issues here. The former aspect of Hinduism is lofty, I agree, but the latter aspect is not always good.
RE:islam the face of terror
by sri vellur on Dec 24, 2007 04:19 AM Permalink
dude, we can go on and on..i see u r still sticking to ur narrow focus and missing the point of what i am saying..ur understanding follows the deliberate distortion of hindu scriptures by the colonialists and their modern day acolytes..so if u go by that then hinduism is like devil worshipping.so ur arguement does not hold water since ur fundamental understanding like i keep saying is incorrect. It is impossible to argue/reason with someone who has his facts wrong and is convinced he is right. again, it is the interpretation that is messed up and that is being blamed on hinduism..sri..if u want to carry this offline let me know since u come across as decent and intelligent, so the discussion might actually be interesting :)
RE:islam the face of terror
by krishna on Dec 24, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
dear funlover,
donot judge hinduism by what is in practise please judge it by its preachings as you know every good word can be misinterpreted by a power hungry people manusmriti is only a mitra sammitam meaning it only advices.it can be ignored and left alone and you can still be a hindu where as vedas and upanishads are prabhu sammitam meaning you need to follow them as a hindu at any cost. if people choose not to follow them its their problem not hinduism's also note that in long history of hinduism many castes have changed occupations and in turn changed their castes also. examples are nairs of kerala rajus and reddies of andhra who became kshatriyas by taking up fighting. caste system was a socially mobile structure whcih was created to hone up the skills of a profession by sustaining continued research in the realted field that doesnt mean that any others were barred from learning what others practise vedas say that a human is by birth a sudra he attains what his caste by his choice of profession and his ability to perform in that profession. manusmriti is a later composition written by people who wanted to concentrate power in their hands. more than 97% of hindus donot follow manusmriti and it is also not warranted in hinduism. brother hinduism is a liberal religion if you donot like caste system you can stay away from it and still be a hindu. so donot worry about that aspect
RE:islam the face of terror
by Fun Lover on Dec 24, 2007 04:35 AM Permalink
"it is impossible to argue/reason with someone who has his facts wrong and is convinced he is right."
Well, even I can say the above statement. By the way, I never referred to Hinduism as a devil worshipping cult. Because of the vast diversity in Hindu thought, it is incorrect to portray it as a homogeneous entity.
Coming to distortion of Hindu scriptures, I don't think your charge stands. Caste system in some Hindu scriptures is not something which I introduced. Nor was it introduced by the British, even though they used these divisions to exploit the people. Also, note that there is an other aspect of Hinduism, which pertain to the actual social or ground realities. I think that apart from scriptures, a religion is also defined by the practices of its followers. This aspect cannot and should not be ignored.
Coming to the narrow focus charge - Well, I was merely reminding Navin that Hinduism too has a dark side. So naturally I was focusing on this aspect. It does not mean that Hinduism does not have its good sides.
