why in this world muslims only have the problem with others???be it against USA, against India, against Israel,against European countries.What do they get killing innocent people and how do they do that?Every muslim is not a terrorist but why every terrorist is a muslim??some proble in the foundation
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by Benz on May 16, 2008 12:51 PM Permalink
Followers are like their leader. Its a common fact. What more to expect from the followers, whose leader had fought many wars and married as many wives during his life time?
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by human on May 16, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
YOu are right benz-followers are known by their leaders-the problem with Islam and muslims in general is that they have only one book and only one leader to fall back upon-you can be a hindu without believing in any of the mythology,you can attain God by any of the means you like to choose,but with islam there is no such flexibility-you are stuck with one book and you need to vouch that the founder was the last prophet-you are not allowed to show any mistakes in that book neither you are allowed to criticise its founder and you are not allowed to think on your own about the path you want to choose-that is why there are such strict apostasy laws in Muslim countries bcos they are scared that once they relax the rules no one will ever want to be a muslim-Any one with an IQ of 40 can realise that the founder of Islam was an evil man who married a child,married his own daughter in law and concocted revelations to justify his vileful acts--watch Zakir Naiks videos on youtube in which he openly advocates killing of non muslims and Zakir is supposed to be a learned and respected scholar in Islam.That is why the Muslim civilisation has always been voilent.
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by human on May 16, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
Me giving a bad name to Zakir Shall i send you the links which he says that all apostates should be killed
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by George Bush on May 16, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
Ridvan or Rizvan - why your advocating so much - try and put more efforts to clean your brain wash religion who is killing many innocent all across the world under the useless heading of JIHAD
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
The same question to you. Why are you opposing so much? Try and put more efforts to knowing that the religion itself is saying that killing of one innocent human (muslims or non muslims alike) is like killing the whole mankind. If some fools dont understand it , you blame the fools, why the religion ? and just to clarify Jihad is not specific to muslims since by its very nature it means struggle. The Quran speaks about non muslims doing jihad to oppose the teachings of Quran. So dont you go on using that word against muslims, coz its not supposed to be fevicoled to Islam.
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by Amar Desai on May 16, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
hey Ridvan, you know the first life in world was a bacteria from which humna has evolved, this is a proven fact. stories of adma and eve was first told in egyptian mythology, copied by old testament, copied by new testament and in the final copy on koran.why will god select a person as a final messanger who will order tokill and old women by tearing her apart by tieing her legs with two camels and making the camels run in opposite direction. i guess allah should have found some better humanatleast as his messanger.
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
I would be very intesrested in reading the white papers of the proven fact that you just mentioned. What you say as stories, i have personally seen teh grave of Eve. If you need to convince yurself go to Jeddah in Saudi.
copying is a phenomeon of current times. In previous times where there was no good communication, people hardly knew and you are talking about something being copied from egyptian mythology, to old testament, to new testament and to Quran.. Well rethink !!!
I think you have very easily forgotton Krishna asking Arjun to kill his own cousins. Put the same context in this place and think why would God ask his messenger to kill. I am not sure where you got the story of the women being torn apart. But if you give me reference I can prove that false to you.
In quran Allah says he had sent the final messenger as a blessing, so if you did bother to knwo that person, you would know why Allah sent him as His messsenger. let me ask you .. is your knowledge about the final prophet only from thsi forum or have you actually gonen to library and read about him.
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 03:09 PM Permalink
u talking about Raja Dashrath by any chance ? fought many wars and married as many wives ?
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by Sanmesh on May 16, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
If you dont know about the hindu mythology dont talk about it. We follow RAM who married to single lady entire life. his birth was destined to remove evil power from the world. Now We need another avatar of RAM to remove the evil community from the world
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
Hmm,. So you do belive in Ramayan as a mythology not as a definite reality ??? hmm.
Lets for argument sake, say I dont know about hindy mythology and you do, so Can you tell me why you are speaking of Ram when I am speaking of his father, from the same mythology ?
And again, you have your own intelligence and you follow Ram, thats your choice. Well what makes u think that what Ram did (married single women) was the only right thing and what the leader of muslims did (married many women) was wrong ? Whats the basis of that ?
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by Amar Desai on May 16, 2008 07:56 PM Permalink
Ridvan there is difference is wars of Ramayan, Mahabharatha and the ones fought in Medina by Mohammed and his followers. Mahabharatas sets a stabdard where a brother stabds opposite to his brother for the sake of truth. In mahabharatha the truth side (Krishna and Pandavas) never buthered any tribe for sake of Money and woman, whereas Mohammed used to kill entire Jews tribe one after the otehr in medina and used to marry the most beautiful girl from the captured slaves, no matter if she was 3 decades younger than him, fooling ppl that it was revealation from allah. Show me one instance from any religions books of sanatan dharam where any MESSANGER OF GOD fought war for MONEY AND WOMAN. You will not find a single analogy. Hope next time you will empower your comments with justifiable examples.
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 10:39 PM Permalink
Well let me not give u examples. but the reality. The people of Makkah drove the prophet and his followers out of Makkah because they were not ready to accept reality of the true God. Allah commanded the prophet not to fight back then. These people went to Madina and they found shelter with people who had already accepted Islam. All these immigrants thought that someday they will go back to Makkah and get back their belongings and set up a new life in Madina. But what they find is that their houses have been raised by the Makkah people and those Makkah people had sold their stuff and were returning to Makkah. Their caravan was passing thru Badr. Thsi is where Allah commanded the muslims of Madina to fight the evil who looted thier houses and their property back in Makkah and were taking the money back home. So now you knwo that like Mahabharat, this war was also for justice and removing evil .There was no woman involved and the money involved was rightly beloning to those poeple themselves. If you dont agree to this kind of behaviour, I would request you to ask a robber to loot yourhouse and sell the goods and not confront the robber. :-) .. Well u can make sense now. !!!
Not sure if you know the history of Madina, but Jews and Muslims lived togther and they both had signed a peace treaty for dwelling in harmony when the jews started making plans of killing the prophet. now you show me proof of your sanathan dharam ..when it existed from .. who was the founder.. who claim
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by Ridvan Bedekar on May 16, 2008 10:43 PM Permalink
contd.. who claism its authenticity...
and dont quote that there is a difference and be biased to your literature.. u r not speaking about your God cheating and setting the sun before its sunset times or asking Bheem to go against the law of that wrestling and hit duryodhan on his thighs.. does your God resort to cheating ??? :-D
